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"Real" psychedelics
    #18386995 - 06/08/13 11:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Imho,the real psychedelics are LSD , Mescaline & Psilocybin. Other "psychedelics" are nothin more than just рallucinogens (Nbom,DoB etc.)


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: mike.bastardo]
    #18387009 - 06/08/13 11:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

And on what basis did you determine this? If nbome was discovered before LSD it would be a "real psychedelic"


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18387031 - 06/08/13 11:29 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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And on what basis did you determine this?



On the basis of influence on subconscious.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18387035 - 06/08/13 11:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I believe you may have forgotten mother ayahuasca,



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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Agentchewy]
    #18387038 - 06/08/13 11:32 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Is the iboga root not a "real" psychedelic?


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: mike.bastardo]
    #18387046 - 06/08/13 11:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

opinions are like assholes.

everyone has one and doesn't think theirs stinks, but they all stink..

classifications are just that, they place certain substances in specific categories for ease of understanding and explaining.

I could say cocaine shouldnt be considered a stimulant because although my mind is going warp speed physically the only thing Im willing to do is more coke or have sex.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: bishlap]
    #18387070 - 06/08/13 11:42 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I think op was just pointing out tryptamines as opposed to phenylethylamine don't you think?

in which case yes dmt should be included. It is endogenous in our brains--nothing seems more psychedelic than that haha...


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: indraclee]
    #18387078 - 06/08/13 11:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

that being said the term pallucinogin is hilarious


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: indraclee]
    #18387540 - 06/08/13 02:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Except mescaline is the mother of phenethylamine hallucinogens.

OP does have a point in that the "classical" psychedelics are not derivatives of other psychedelics such as 2c-x, and nbomes with mescaline. Excluding LSD, but in this case lysergic acid, and other ergot alkaloid derivatives were not being used in a recreational sense.

But really, they're all just chemicals... I've had more profound experiences on certain DOC trips than i have on certain LSD trips. :shrug:


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Parrott]
    #18387671 - 06/08/13 02:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

2c-x and nbomes aren't derived from mescaline either as far as I know. They're just structural analogues and so it doesn't really matter which came first. I can agree that certain rc phens pale in comparison to the classics, but I think that's because a majority of RC psychedelics are based around the same structures. Ie 2c-b, e, I, all directly related to 25x. So it's no wonder that some people feel RCs are lacking.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18388086 - 06/08/13 04:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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And on what basis did you determine this? If nbome was discovered before LSD it would be a "real psychedelic"




I disagree, lsd has no physical side effects except what your mind will come up with, rc's have death reports.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: DoomSquirrel]
    #18388124 - 06/08/13 04:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I think what makes a psychedelic a psychedelic is the fact that it's non-toxic on both the mind and body. If I were to take a 10 strip of LSD I would be okay, but if I took a 10 strip of nBome I would be fucked. Some of these newer drugs may affect you similarly to LSd but they also enable other cells in your brain that LSD or DMT wouldn't and that's what makes them dangerous and more like a drug rather than a psychedelic.
Remember just because these newer classes of drugs exist doesn't mean that they aren't safe like LSD or mushrooms, there has been so much research than on both LSD and mushrooms that anyone who said they caused brain damage would be ignorant in this day and age (mushrooms has be proven to stimulate neurogenesis in serotonin receptors, it is exactly identical to serotonin. No one has died from these chemicals but there has already been reported deaths of these newer "psychedelics".

It's a never ending cycle of the war on drugs.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Veil of Maya] * 1
    #18388135 - 06/08/13 04:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Really though one might consider meditation to be a psychedelic, although maybe I'm just talking crazy here.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Veil of Maya]
    #18388191 - 06/08/13 05:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I've never been interested in nbomes only because of all the horror stories on this website.
I'm sure they bring valuable insights to the table, but lsd/shrooms/dmt (psychs I have done) are just so wonderful to me I don't feel the need to deviate from them.

Some day I'd love to try ayahuasca and mescaline and ibogaine but access to those drugs is difficult and very expensive I think. (I know I can grow cactus but I haven't really read into it)

To each his own.  I do agree with op just because I've been brainwashed in a sense to reject research chemicals but I think they are still real. 
I just don't want them to be real to me right now.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: DoomSquirrel]
    #18388328 - 06/08/13 05:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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And on what basis did you determine this? If nbome was discovered before LSD it would be a "real psychedelic"




I disagree, lsd has no physical side effects except what your mind will come up with, rc's have death reports.




How is that in any way relevant to whether it's a psychedelic or not?


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18388372 - 06/08/13 05:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Psychedelic means mind manifesting. Any substance that does so is a psychedelic. Toxicity has nothing to do with it.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18388403 - 06/08/13 06:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Not to mention that I'm pretty sure all phenethylamines including mescaline can be toxic. Only problem is 25x is way more potent so it's easier for the idiots laying the doses to make fatal mistakes. Something that wouldn't happen with proper regulation


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18388421 - 06/08/13 06:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yup & there are plenty of idiots that don't know the first thing about laying doses, don't have the proper scales, but do have sources for the stuff. Shit's scary.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18389176 - 06/08/13 09:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

OP, that's just a stupid, uninformed OPINION about what a psychedelic is. We have these things called dictionaries. You should look into something like that.


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Re: "Real" psychedelics [Re: healing]
    #18391378 - 06/09/13 08:53 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

only lsd and salvinorin are non-lethal at 1000's of times their effective doses.

so I would like a 1000 lsd doses
I would take good care of them

but if I had 1000 2ce doses or synthetic mushrooms etc.
I would take good care of them too

1000's of times I would, would I


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