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15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check
    #18133175 - 04/19/13 02:56 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Hello everyone! I have been lurking on Shroomery for about 2 months and spending literally hours a day researching and trying to get all of the parameters and variables right for my first grow, and I want to do a final flight check to make sure everything will work out okay

    15 - Mycobags w/ ~5 Qt. WBS(before grain transfer)
    15 - 55 Qt. Monotubs w/ ~50/50 Horse manure/straw
    a dash - Gypsum
    No casing
    Golden Teacher - MS -> WBS -> Mycobag

    I have ~100 lbs. of field aged horse manure drying outside while waiting on 15 WBS jars to colonize. The WBS jars will be used for grain transfers to the Mycobags (I know it's a lot, but I want them to colonize as fast as possible, and I want to use ~6 Qt. for each Monotub). The Mycobags will be Pressure Cooked at 15 psi. for 1 hour and 30 minutes to 2 hours. When cool, I will G2G. When the Mycobags are fully colonized, I will spawn them to pasteurized and field capacity horse manure/straw in the monotubs.
    The Monotubs have been cleaned with a dilute bleach solution and lined with plastic lining. 2, 1" holes are on the top of each long side of each Monotub, and 1, 1" hole on each short side. About 6-7" above the bottom, .5" holes have been drilled all the way around about 1.5" apart. During the spawn run, the holes will be covered with duct tape and a black plastic bag will be placed over the Monotubs. After they have fully colonized, I will remove the tape from the holes, as well as the plastic bag and stuff the holes with polyfill, tighter on the bottom and looser on top to regulate air flow and introduce them to fruiting conditions.
    The Monotubs are stacked on top of each other, 5 stacks of 3, with rubber spacers between each of them allowing air flow under the Monotubs, sorry I can't get any pictures tonight, I will try to get some as soon as possible. The entire stack is secured to the wall with a huge wooden board propping against it and a large blanket covering the entire shebang.
    Also, I plan on using a substrate depth of 4-5", how many flushes should I expect off of this? I've heard an average of about 2 or 3. But with the Gypsum I was thinking a little more. I read the Bulk Neglect Tek and don't exactly expect similar results because I'm not using an isolate, but was expecting at least 4-5 ounces per flush. (I ask because I plan on moving in the next 2 months). Thank you very much for all of your help, and I'm really happy to finally post something and feel like a part of the community :smile:


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: mr. psicho]
    #18133214 - 04/19/13 03:05 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Gypsum won't do much for your yields. Though it does provide minerals like calcium, it's mainly for just keeping your substrate from clumping together. Also, you don't need to put the tubs in garbage bags while you let them colonize. The mycelium can be exposed to light to help develop a circadian rhythm (day & night cycle).
Be sure to clean out your tubs and bags with 70% iso alcohol just before spawning too, to be sure there's not any bacteria or mold spores on them. I'd also recommend just PCing your jars for about 90 minutes, at most, since mycobags allow greater heat transfer than glass jars and you could possibly overcook some of your kernels.
Everything else seems about right though; you've done your research and you seem to be headed on the right path.
Best of luck to you, and welcome to the shroomery! :thumbup:


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: Tacomandood]
    #18133262 - 04/19/13 03:18 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: sillycyben]
    #18133706 - 04/19/13 05:17 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Thank you very much! Should I expect my yield to be any higher if I'm doing a 5" substrate? Most of the grow logs I've studied only use about 2-4" substrates.


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: Tacomandood]
    #18133730 - 04/19/13 05:26 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

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Gypsum won't do much for your yields.




:utterconfusion: 

"Studies at commercial mushroom farms have shown up to a 20% increase in yield when gypsum is used over the exact same strain and substrate without gypsum"
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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: Timehole]
    #18135971 - 04/19/13 05:24 PM (1 year, 1 day ago)

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Tacomandood said:
Gypsum won't do much for your yields.




:utterconfusion: 

"Studies at commercial mushroom farms have shown up to a 20% increase in yield when gypsum is used over the exact same strain and substrate without gypsum"
-RR



Touché.. :themoreyouknow:


But no, most people usually see the same results from a 5"+ substrate when compared to a 3"-4" in their tubs. And in this, I am confident that I'm 100% correct. :thumbup:


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: Tacomandood]
    #18164534 - 04/25/13 03:18 AM (11 months, 19 days ago)

So I still have a question about the Mycobags. Is it safe for me to perform a grain transfer to these? I don't have an impulse sealer, so I was thinking of either using a rubber band, and tying it very tightly around the top, with a piece of polyfill stuffed in, and then fold it over and tie it again. Would this be okay?


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: mr. psicho]
    #18179698 - 04/28/13 03:51 AM (11 months, 16 days ago)

i would think that would be okay because i have seen many homemade mycobags on here. on the real though man, if your going to be doing it big like that you really need to invest in an impulse sealer. i got mine for 15 bucks and i use it for all kinds of awesome things. do you have a still air box?? i feel like g2g works best in an enclosed environment. at least a complete clean room or something?

best of luck to you good sir. everything sounds pretty proper thus far.


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: lvilledanksta]
    #18179977 - 04/28/13 06:03 AM (11 months, 16 days ago)

You dont need to dry aged manure, other then that gl to u


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: cronicr]
    #18192281 - 04/30/13 04:11 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

15 tubs?! Id pick all those shrums and roll around in them naked......
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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: mr. psicho]
    #18193463 - 04/30/13 08:40 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

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mr. psicho said:The Mycobags will be Pressure Cooked at 15 psi. for 1 hour and 30 minutes to 2 hours.



How many bags at a time?  That's rather important for calculating sterilization times.

I remember reading a few references to running multiple bags at 2-4 hours, depending on quantity of substrate being PC'd.

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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: 10KOysters]
    #18197405 - 05/01/13 04:22 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

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mr. psicho said:The Mycobags will be Pressure Cooked at 15 psi. for 1 hour and 30 minutes to 2 hours.



How many bags at a time?  That's rather important for calculating sterilization times.

I remember reading a few references to running multiple bags at 2-4 hours, depending on quantity of substrate being PC'd.

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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: cronicr]
    #18197459 - 05/01/13 04:33 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I would do 6 x 6lb grain mags in my 75X for 120 minutes.


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Re: 15, 55 Qt. Horse Manure/Straw Monotubs. First grow flight check [Re: mr. psicho]
    #18197579 - 05/01/13 05:02 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

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    The Monotubs have been cleaned with a dilute bleach solution and lined with plastic lining. 2, 1" holes are on the top of each long side of each Monotub, and 1, 1" hole on each short side. About 6-7" above the bottom, .5" holes have been drilled all the way around about 1.5" apart.




This is not how to construct a mono, I'm not sure where you got this idea.
1 hole each short side, high up.
2 holes each long side, 4-4.5" from the bottom.
Use 1.5"-2" holes all around if you can.

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with rubber spacers between each of them allowing air flow under the Monotubs




No need for spacers. Monos require no airflow underneath like a SGFC does.

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Also, I plan on using a substrate depth of 4-5", how many flushes should I expect off of this? I've heard an average of about 2 or 3. But with the Gypsum I was thinking a little more. I read the Bulk Neglect Tek and don't exactly expect similar results because I'm not using an isolate, but was expecting at least 4-5 ounces per flush. (I ask because I plan on moving in the next 2 months). Thank you very much for all of your help, and I'm really happy to finally post something and feel like a part of the community :smile:




If you want to have a good chance at getting anything, I recommend first omitting the straw in your mono and using vermiculite instead.
Straw should only be used in low-CO2 environments because it likes to contam very quick if it is not. A monotub is not exactly a low-CO2 environment.

Use a 3" substrate depth. It performs just as well as 4+ inches IME and anything more is a waste of perfectly good poop.

Pasteurize your hpoo/verm mix properly after hydrating to field capacity.

Smell each and every bag of spawn before you dump it into the tub, after breaking it up and opening it. It should smell only of the fresh mushrooms of the species you are growing. Any other smells or lack of that smell, throw it out.

You can expect 3-6 ounces per tub on average first flush, if your conditions are good and genetics are average. Expect each tub to vary wildly because you are using multi-spore.

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