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'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs
    #17980926 - 03/19/13 08:41 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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CLEARFIELD — Even if there's a label on the bag that says it's smell-proof, Davis County Sheriff's investigators maintain their K-9s can figure out what's inside.
Investigators said a case-in-point unfolded near 200 S. State Street in Clearfield Saturday night, when K-9 Hasko registered a positive hit for drugs on a car that had originally been pulled over during a routine traffic stop.

Inside, deputies said they uncovered a "Smelly Proof"-labeled baggie containing marijuana.

"To me, the Smelly Proof bag just felt like a normal zip-lock — just with a brand name on it," said Deputy Mike Benoit.

Smelly Proof is a company that operates far away from the drug culture realm, marketing bags it claims can conceal the toughest of stenches — fish, dirty socks, even soiled diapers.

Still, the product appears to have developed a niche market at smoking shops.

Deputies acknowledge the Smelly Proof baggie itself may have even lived up to its name in Clearfield.

Often when people handle drugs, Benoit said, they get trace amounts on them as they move them around, even into containers that supposedly do not give off smells.

"Obviously he had touched that marijuana to put it inside that bag, and then he touched his door handle, then he touched his steering wheel," Benoit said.

In the Saturday case, sheriff's spokesperson Susan Poulsen said 22-year-old Cody Lynn Burks was arrested and booked into the Davis County Jail on investigation of possession of controlled substance with intent, and possession of paraphernalia.

Deputies say whether name brand or garden variety, supposed smell proof baggies are only the latest unsuccessful means of concealing drugs they've uncovered. Poulsen said deputies have previously uncovered drugs inside flashlights, makeup compacts and soda cans with artificial bottoms.

"Some come up with great hiding spots," Benoit said. "But when they try new tactics, we train for new tactics." Benoit said his K-9s are very adept at uncovering drug scents even when they are masked.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: zepedamartin]
    #17980933 - 03/19/13 08:44 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Your an idiot if you think anything like that is going to help
Mylar with vacuum seal works temporarily

The only thing that works is not looking suspicious enough
For the cop to call the dog in the first place


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: zepedamartin]
    #17981156 - 03/19/13 09:47 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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zepedamartin said:
Your an idiot if you think anything like that is going to help
Mylar with vacuum seal works temporarily

The only thing that works is not looking suspicious enough
For the cop to call the dog in the first place





yah or not having drugs in the car in the first place :lol:


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: zepedamartin]
    #17981200 - 03/19/13 09:55 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I posted a vid some time ago, maybe even a year ago in a Security and Safety thread that showed a trained dog being able to find a stash hidden in those kind of bags. Sadly the video was taken down. Scent will always seep out of any container.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: anunnakian]
    #17981464 - 03/19/13 10:47 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

The article makes it sound like people are stupid enough to think they can fool a drug dog.  I think most people get them so that their car doesn't smell like a skunk if they get pulled over.  It's just a precaution so that hopefully they won't call the drug dog in the first place.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: searching]
    #17981731 - 03/19/13 11:36 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I doubt these bags are made with the intent to be 100% smell proof. Seems like a good thing to have if you live at home or want to hide the smell decently from those around you, but not something to bank on the dogs being unable to find.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: alexc]
    #17982056 - 03/20/13 12:40 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Just curious, if something was sealed inside glass, no screw top or anything, an actual sealed glass container, smell can seep out right? Even if everything has be cleaned to a tee? Is there nothing that is smell impermeable? Not even in the realms of the extreme?


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: Riboflavin]
    #17982105 - 03/20/13 12:53 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I really doubt that if you sealed your chron in a glass ampule, dropped it in a sealed container of a non-polar solvent, immediately removed it from the area, and washed it again with fresh non-polar afterwards, then nothing more than a few scant molecules of cannabis contamination would remain.

interesting side note:  the genes regulating production of odorous terpene compounds from the cannabis plant are distinct from those that regulate production of cannabinoid compounds.  Therefore, you can in theory genetically engineer super-skunk that has no typical cannabis odor.  At least that's what I've heard from researchers who work with cannabinoids and the endocannabinoid system.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: BigPharma]
    #17982114 - 03/20/13 12:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I really doubt that if you sealed your chron in a glass ampule, washed it liberally with a non-polar solvent, immediately removed it from the area, and washed it again with fresh non-polar, then nothing more than a few scant molecules of cannabis contamination would remain.

interesting side note:  the genes regulating production of odorous terpene compounds from the cannabis plant are distinct from those that regulate production of cannabinoid compounds.  Therefore, you can in theory genetically engineer super-skunk that has no typical cannabis odor.  At least that's what I've heard from researchers who work with cannabinoids and the endocannabinoid system.




actually I think it's been done a few times-- and it's not a GMO either, just careful breeding and out-crossing can achieve the same thing without risking the whole cultivar.

'cause you know-- in another few years if it gets legalized it would be sad if the smell was gone, the smelly smell that smells smelly is kinda nice dont ya think?


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: Riboflavin]
    #17982116 - 03/20/13 12:56 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Also thoughts on percentage chance of getting searched when car is A : Extremely messy or B: relatively clean? I just want opinions if anyone cares enough to answer


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: xthrx]
    #17982119 - 03/20/13 12:58 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Also thoughts on percentage chance of getting searched when car is A : Extremely messy or B: relatively clean? I just want opinions if anyone cares enough to answer





having a messy car is not probable cause, BUT if you have stuff and they force a search then you're fucked.  Best to keep it in a safe spot nobody know is there.  When I was a stupid kid I would stash my bong in a hole in the seat under the seat cover... cops searched my ride once and found nothing... no dogs tho :shrug:


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: travelleler]
    #17982686 - 03/20/13 04:16 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I remember a story from years ago where a crew was running blow and weed in semi trucks from Florida to Philly. They masked the odor by submerging the product in 50 gallon grease drums. They weren't caught because of their transportation, but because they where involved with OC.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: batman returns]
    #17984031 - 03/20/13 02:07 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

They sell aluminum foil bags now. Seal it with aluminum tape and your dog will not smell anything from inside. But if you handle it with hands contaminated with odor, it defeats your system.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17984543 - 03/20/13 04:12 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

actrully i own 2 of those smelly proof bags and they work great... they costed $1 a bag

i had a super stanky pipe and it would 100% keap the smell out


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: tp123]
    #17984686 - 03/20/13 04:38 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I wish I understood the science of smell better...does it move like particles? Like a dust or a gas?


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: cubezoid]
    #17984865 - 03/20/13 05:09 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

smell is made up of particulates and dogs noses are EXTREMELY sensitive down to the parts-per-million

So like stone henge said---  even if there's a tiny bit of sticky resin or chem residue on your hands when you apply the tape or seal the sack it's still enough to tip of a trained k9.

if you took your stash and with sterile exam gloves put the stash into the smelly bag carefully-- then change gloves to a fresh uncontaminated pair before sealing the bag then put the smelly sack into another airtight sealed container then wash the entire thing in denatured alcohol or non-polar solvent you MIGHT get away from the k9 with your stash intact

remember-- nearly all common plastic is permeable over time, so even airtight containers can transport molecules thru the structure of the plastic after a while.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: travelleler]
    #17985088 - 03/20/13 05:48 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Traveller, all that is needed is aluminum foil bags. Nothing gets through metal unless there is a hole in it. You can make your own using foil and al tape or buy them ready made.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17985627 - 03/20/13 07:30 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Traveller, all that is needed is aluminum foil bags. Nothing gets through metal unless there is a hole in it. You can make your own using foil and al tape or buy them ready made.




:themoreyouknow:

the cross-contamination science still applies though.  You'd need a fairly sterile workspace and a very conscious technique to keep from contaminating the surfaces of your home-made smell proof stuff.

I'm tellin ya---  parts per million are very very small.  you'll never know if they are there or not :shrug: 

but thanks for the tip-- I will look into that


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: travelleler]
    #17988413 - 03/21/13 09:55 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Fuck this smell proof marketing hype. Get two bags; one normal, one vac seal. Wash your hands well after loading the normal bag, then seal it and place it in a vacuum seal bag. vac and seal the vac bag. Wash the outside of the vac bag with water. Theoretically if you can get every last smell particle off of your hands and off the bag, and said bag is completely airtight then you shouldn't have any odor escaping. Someone correct me if this is wrong.


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Re: 'Smelly Proof' bags no match for K-9 officers sniffing out drugs [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #17988903 - 03/21/13 12:40 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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Fuck this smell proof marketing hype. Get two bags; one normal, one vac seal. Wash your hands well after loading the normal bag, then seal it and place it in a vacuum seal bag. vac and seal the vac bag. Wash the outside of the vac bag with water. Theoretically if you can get every last smell particle off of your hands and off the bag, and said bag is completely airtight then you shouldn't have any odor escaping. Someone correct me if this is wrong.




you are NOT wrong... though THC trichomes are not water soluble so the wash would have to be something like WD40 or brake cleaner or rubbing alcohol.

and plastic always permeates to a small extent over time... so there might be a limited window of effectiveness but I'm not an expert in molecule transport through polymer...  I just know that oxidation occurrs in wine stored in plastic--- that's why wine is always in glass or sealed in mylar with a best-by date on the box


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