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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan] 1
#17409848 - 12/17/12 10:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said:
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Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?
I use the 11 lb coir bails. I break it up well, add 25 qts of vermiculite and 5 qts of gypsum before mixing in 3 3/4 gallons of water. Makes about 100 qts of field-capacity substrate ... enough for a few tubs.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17409861 - 12/17/12 10:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?
I use the 11 lb coir bails. I break it up well, add 25 qts of vermiculite and 5 qts of gypsum before mixing in 3 3/4 gallons of water. Makes about 100 qts of field-capacity substrate ... enough for a few tubs.
I think I'll go that route next time. What size tub do you do this in? D you boil water prior to adding to sub?
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17409921 - 12/17/12 10:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a 30 gallon tub. I boil half the water and pour that into the mix first. This brings the substrate up to about 160. I wear vinyl heat-resistant gloves so that I can mix it up while it's hot. I have the second half of the water only heated to 160. Pour that on a few min after mixing in the 200 degree water. Mix again then cover w/ lid. This keeps it at 160 for more than 90min.
Most everybody here just uses boiling water, which will probably work fine since so many people have good results doing so. I just don't see any reason to get your substrate that hot. Pasteurization means staying between 160-140 degrees for 60-90 mins. Using boiling water gets it way hotter than 160, possibly killing off beneficial bacteria.
As was mention previously, coir is pretty contam resistant which is why you can get away w/ using boiling water.
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DeadPhan
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#17411495 - 12/18/12 10:46 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: Ok. what ratio is damion5050s coir tek? And how many quarts are in one brick of coir. I tried searching and people say anywhere from 8 to twelve. Just wondering what I should enter as percentage in the bulk calculator. As far as damion5050 calling for 2quarts verm per brick of coir, what percentage verm/coir does that end up coming out to. I wish I woulda just ordered the loose coir now. Heh
1 brick at 650g(most bricks, i've weighed them several times) + 1gal boiling water equals about 8qts.
I mix 5-7qts of spawn, depending on what I have on hand, 2qts verm, and 1/4c gypsum.
A little less spawn=slower colonizing. Too much spawn=too much drying out.
This is not an exact science.
Just stumbled on some threads saying to add a whole pint of gypsum. That's a lot in comparison. I only put a quarter cup in. Which is more standard. Quarter cup doesn't seem like very much at all now that I think about it.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411504 - 12/18/12 10:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now I'm reading as much as a quart.
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411557 - 12/18/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gypsum ratio is 5-10% of the volume of the substrate
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17411564 - 12/18/12 11:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shit. Am I screwed. Followed damion505's tek and only added a quarter cup
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411573 - 12/18/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, you'll be fine. A lot of people rock w/ his recipe. How many quarts total of substrate did you end up w/?
Gypsum isnt required but it's helpful nutrient wise. Too little gypsum is better than too much.
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DeadPhan
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411574 - 12/18/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411580 - 12/18/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a typo. I meant it *isn't* required.
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17411585 - 12/18/12 11:07 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sometimes I only use 3 quarts of gypsum in a 100 qt. substrate, which is 3% and still notice the benefits
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17411586 - 12/18/12 11:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok. Cool. 16 quarts was my sub total with spawn. So in the future I should use around 2 cups? More? At 10 percent it would be a quart.
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DeadPhan
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17411592 - 12/18/12 11:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea but one quarter cup is close to nothing. Lol. O well. Here's to learning.
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17411691 - 12/18/12 11:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synchro said: Sometimes I only use 3 quarts of gypsum in a 100 qt. substrate, which is 3% and still notice the benefits
25 gallons of substrate? WTF are you using for a fruiting chamber? AN NFL stadium?
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Synchro
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
#17411869 - 12/18/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fruiting chamber is a 6'x6' greenhouse
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DeadPhan
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
#17414647 - 12/18/12 09:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, being that I only added such a ill amount of gypsum should I expect a lesser yield, longer time to colonize, both?
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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
#17415929 - 12/19/12 06:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't worry about it. Add more next time, if you want to. It's not critical.
Your fruiting conditions and pinning strategy will play a bigger role than gypsum.
If you don't have pinning and fruiting dialed in, all the gypsum in the world won't help. Just my opinion
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