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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan] * 1
    #17409848 - 12/17/12 10:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?




I use the 11 lb coir bails. I break it up well, add 25 qts of vermiculite and 5 qts of gypsum before mixing in 3 3/4 gallons of water. Makes about 100 qts of field-capacity substrate ... enough for a few tubs.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17409861 - 12/17/12 10:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Also with an 11 lb compressed block of coir I guess one should just break up the whole thing dry first then add proper dry amount that way eh?




I use the 11 lb coir bails. I break it up well, add 25 qts of vermiculite and 5 qts of gypsum before mixing in 3 3/4 gallons of water. Makes about 100 qts of field-capacity substrate ... enough for a few tubs.




I think I'll go that route next time.  What size tub do you do this in?  D you boil water prior to adding to sub?


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17409921 - 12/17/12 10:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

It's a 30 gallon tub. I boil half the water and pour that into the mix first. This brings the substrate up to about 160. I wear vinyl heat-resistant gloves so that I can mix it up while it's hot. I have the second half of the water only heated to 160. Pour that on a few min after mixing in the 200 degree water. Mix again then cover w/ lid. This keeps it at 160 for more than 90min.

Most everybody here just uses boiling water, which will probably work fine since so many people have good results doing so. I just don't see any reason to get your substrate that hot. Pasteurization means staying between 160-140 degrees for 60-90 mins. Using boiling water gets it way hotter than 160, possibly killing off beneficial bacteria.

As was mention previously, coir is pretty contam resistant which is why you can get away w/ using boiling water.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #17411495 - 12/18/12 10:46 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok.  what ratio is damion5050s coir tek? And how many quarts are in one brick of coir.  I tried searching and people say anywhere from 8 to twelve. Just wondering what I should enter as percentage in the bulk calculator.  As far as damion5050 calling for 2quarts verm per brick of coir, what percentage verm/coir does that end up coming out to.  I wish I woulda just ordered the loose coir now.  Heh




1 brick at 650g(most bricks, i've weighed them several times) + 1gal boiling water equals about 8qts.

I mix 5-7qts of spawn, depending on what I have on hand, 2qts verm, and 1/4c gypsum.

A little less spawn=slower colonizing. Too much spawn=too much drying out.

This is not an exact science.




Just stumbled on some threads saying to add a whole pint of gypsum.  That's a lot in comparison.  I only put a quarter cup in.  Which is more standard.  Quarter cup doesn't seem like very much at all now that I think about it. :confused:


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411504 - 12/18/12 10:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Now I'm reading as much as a quart.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411557 - 12/18/12 10:59 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Gypsum ratio is 5-10% of the volume of the substrate


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17411564 - 12/18/12 11:01 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Shit.  Am I screwed.  Followed damion505's tek and only added a quarter cup


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411573 - 12/18/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

No, you'll be fine. A lot of people rock w/ his recipe. How many quarts total of substrate did you end up w/?

Gypsum isnt required but it's helpful nutrient wise. Too little gypsum is better than too much.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411574 - 12/18/12 11:04 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:feelsbadman:


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411580 - 12/18/12 11:05 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I had a typo. I meant it *isn't* required.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17411585 - 12/18/12 11:07 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes I only use 3 quarts of gypsum in a 100 qt. substrate, which is 3% and still notice the benefits


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17411586 - 12/18/12 11:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Ok. Cool.  16 quarts was my sub total with spawn.  So in the future I should use around 2 cups?  More?  At 10 percent it would be a quart.


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17411592 - 12/18/12 11:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Yea but one quarter cup is close to nothing.  Lol.  O well.  Here's to learning.  :cheers:


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17411691 - 12/18/12 11:41 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Sometimes I only use 3 quarts of gypsum in a 100 qt. substrate, which is 3% and still notice the benefits



25 gallons of substrate?  WTF are you using for a fruiting chamber?  AN NFL stadium?


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #17411869 - 12/18/12 12:30 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Fruiting chamber is a 6'x6' greenhouse


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: Synchro]
    #17414647 - 12/18/12 09:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

So, being that I only added such a ill amount of gypsum should I expect a lesser yield, longer time to colonize, both?


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Re: Is damion5050's coir tek relative to 66quart tubs? [Re: DeadPhan]
    #17415929 - 12/19/12 06:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about it. Add more next time, if you want to. It's not critical.

Your fruiting conditions and pinning strategy will play a bigger role than gypsum.

If you don't have pinning and fruiting dialed in, all the gypsum in the world won't help. Just my opinion


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