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YellowPurpleHills said:
Look at all those people who have died from eating these chemicals. Everyone is different. You take the risk of death or permanent damage with ANY drug you chose, ANY drug. With some, you just have to be extra cautious.
The point still is that in order to get high off DXM you do not have to ingest Chlorpheniramine! Why take the extra risk?
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Phencyclidine
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YellowPurpleHills said:
i am speaking from first hand experience.
That doesn't fucking matter. How many times do I have to tell you this before you get it through your thick head? Think of this: someone who had had a friend die from using Coricidin could just as easily come on here and claim that Coricidin kills people left, right and center because the only friend they knew who used Coricidin died from it. This isn't correct. The sample size here is minimal. Learn about statistics. Also, in the case of a number of people who haven't noticed toxic side effects, then they simply haven't noticed. How do you know that DXM + Chlorpheniramine hasn't harmed your friends? Are you a doctor? No. Your credentials are: "My friends and I have eaten it." That's meaningless.
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to all those who are concidering Coricidin: yes it has two chemicals that when mixed at certain levels, are very bad for your health, even deadly
So then, why increase the risk by taking Coricidin?
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however, this is what I AM SAYING: I know people, including me who have tried it repedeatly, as many as 40 pills, and nothing unwanted has happened (maybe a damage in the liver from taking so many goddamn pills)
So, now you're saying, "Hey, maybe my friends and I have hurt ourself, but I don't know."
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i've spoken to people on DXM groups who have done the same. We think the reason why Coricidin is said to be so deadly is so people do not use it as a recreational drug.
Then why aren't people saying that DXM is deadly? It's almost as easy to obtain pure DXM HBr powder as it is to get Coricidin. I don't see any harm-reduction oriented websites claiming that pure DXM HBr is dangerous, like sites about Coricidin state.
Yes, though, you're right, people say that Coricidin is dangerous so that people won't use it. Chlorpheniramine is almost 100% useless as a recreational drug. Most people don't like anticholinergics.
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Because none of us in the group have suffered any of the stuff described in the medical journals, such as eyeball bleeding, not being able to sweat, death, etc...
And does that make you doubt that these events have occured or that they could possibly occur to you, or to someone who you callously advised to use Coricidin?
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So stop slamming me with your bullshit and talk to people who have tried Coricidin to make an educated judgement
Eating drugs does not mean that you are able to make an educated judgement about the drug. I suspect that the reasons for this are far beyond your intellectual capacity.
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based BOTH on experience and literature. Now you just look stupid making a half-ass judgement and slamming me for no goddamn reason, when I laid out the facts clearly and am not arguing with Coricidin being deadly.
You are the one who looks stupid. You are, in fact, absolutely clueless.
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Phencyclidine
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Once again, you clueless moron, you don't know shit about a drug just because you've eaten it.
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READ + EAT does not equal more knowledge than simply read. Are you claiming that you know more about Chlorpheniramine and DXM than say, a person with a doctorate in Pharmaceutical Chemistry?
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Alright, regardless of what has been happening between the wanna be scientist and I on the topic of DXM
You don't need credentials to be a scientist. I'd say to call yourself a scientist, all you need to do is have a fulltime occupation where you apply the scientific method. I do.
You're a "wanna be expert", but you have a long fucking way to go.
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here is a good link on the sources of DXM to educate anyone who is urging to trip on DXM:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_info2.shtml
LOL. Are you trying to defeat yourself. From the URL you just provided:
High doses of Chlorpheniramine Maleate (CPM) can cause severe and life-threatening symptoms including seizures; shortness of breath or troubled breathing; weakness; loss of consciousness; severe dryness of mouth, nose, or throat; bleeding from skin, mouth, eyes, rectum, and vagina; and possibly death.
We have seen recommendations that no more than 24 mg of CPM be taken in a day.
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I've tried coricidin and Dex Alone. I wanted to avoid the extra chemicals in Coricidin, including the ever so controversial Chlorpheniramine Maleate, so I went for Dex Alone.
Why did you want to avoid them?
quote] It was horrible, so I never tried Dex Alone.
If you never tried it then how do you know it was horrible?
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ps. fuck you addict
LOL. The "addict" thing in the info is just the automatic title that comes up after you've had a certain number of posts. I certainly didn't put it there. If you're trying to demean me, you failed miserably.
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you are the one who is clueless. Overanalyze every goddamn thing i say by quoting each one of my sentences and breaking down each word without UNDERSTANDING what i am saying.
No, I'm pretty sure I understand what you are saying. I do have academic credientials in a field that is directly related to interpreting the English language. Do you?
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you know NOTHING about the drug you speak of
I knew the half-life of the drug. Did you? Did you know what enzyme is responsible for it's metabolism? What's the chemical structure of chlorpheniramine? What receptors does it bind to? What's it's efficacy?
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only the shit you've read. I'VE READ IT TOO
You clearly haven't read as much about Chlorpheniramine as I have. Tell me, how many pharmaceutical chemistry books do you have lying around your room? What about journal articles relating to Chlorpheniramine? How many private conversations have you had with pharmaceutical chemists about DXM and chlorpheniramine? I have a feeling that your answers to all three of the questions would be far less than my answers.
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Re: I got a question about DXM [Re: cb9fl]
#1721810 - 07/16/03 01:12 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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cb9fl said:
well no need to argue that anymore YellowPurpleHills vs Science heh.
Yes, LOL.
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Anyways if a person is lacking in the enzyme that breakds down dxm is their a naturally occuring chemical or method to artificially reproduce that enzyme?
There might be. There aren't really many substances that are good enzyme induces. The polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in cigarette smoke are poweful inducers of P-450 (the family of enzymes that includes CYP-2D6), but I'm not certain about its effect of CYP-2D6 specifically.
BTW, this effect of cigarette smoke is the reason why smokers metabolise caffeine and theophyline (sic?) much faster than nonsmokers.
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Or to break down dxm to dxo before it's injested?
I have recently written a paper about this. I have not found one credible source documenting a method for converting DXM to DXO. Please see the link in my post "Chemists please review my paper" in the Other Drugs Discussion forum for more information.
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I'm not looking for involved methods requiring a lab. Something more OTC.
It really just looks like if you're CYP-2D6 deficient, that DXM probably isn't the drug for you. If you can get a hold of pure DXO, that's another story. Some jurisdictions may allow you to buy it as a bulk powder.
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YellowPurpleHills said:
look dude,
You have really bad reading comprehension.
I doubt it.
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I did try Dex Alone. I said I am not going to try it again cuz the pills were so huge.
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. . .I never tried Dex Alone.
You have problems expressing yourself.
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You prolly got rejected from whereever you were trying to apply yourself so now you have to show off at the Shroomery.org telling everyone you know the name of receptors and the break-down enzymes of a harmful chemical.
That's an ad hominem attack.
No, I didn't get rejected. I got accepted. Once again you're wrong.
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Good job! *bows* I can look up that info in a matter of seconds. Your knowledge is worthless.
You wouldn't know what it means in a matter of seconds.
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LIKE I SAID BEFORE (and you would have caught this the first time around if your English was so good),
Let me guess, you're still in High School right? That's why you're so fond of ignoring every point I make and resorting to insults. You're the one who can't reason. If you could, then maybe you could have come up with a thoughtful response by now.
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I REALIZE THERE IS A CHEMICAL THAT CAN KILL, MAKE ONE'S INTERNALS BLEED, ETC. IN CORICIDIN. What I have been trying to get into your stubborn, scientific wanna-be brain is that NOT ALL SUFFER THESE CONSEQUENCES.
I never claimed that everyone suffers these effects. I said that it was possible and therefore best to avoid the risk. You're the one who has reading comprehension problems if you think that I said that everyone who uses Coricidin suffers harmful side effects.
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The link I gave says "these are the symptomps that may occur".
I haven't suggested otherwise.
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And this is my point: Some people may have bad side effects from Coricidin and some may not. This principal applies to any drug.
Then we agree on something.
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So before you break down what I just said into "meaningless" phrases,
I suspect that the only reason that only reason you don't respond to my points is because you don't have any intelligent way to respond to them. Thus, part of your strategy is to try invalidating individual points. Unfortunately for you, anyone who is literate can clearly see that you are a buffoon.
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read it as a whole and try to UNDERSTAND what I am saying.
I suggest that you review your own literacy skills. When did I ever say that anyone who uses Coricidin will suffer harmful side effects from it?
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YellowPurpleHills said:
so sad, a scientist who knows all, stuck at the shroomery, showing off his papers to teenage shroomheads
What is sad here is your display of your own lack of maturity. Smear campaigns don't work here. I have far outclassed you in this thread. It's clear to everyone who reads this thread that you've been completely humiliated.
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My ratings don't have anything to do with the fact that you are wrong.
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how have i been humiliated?
You have humiliated yourself by repeatedly attacking me ad hominem. I've humiliated you by responding to you, over and over, repeatedly pointing out that you are in error.
Anyway, that's enough for now. I'll leave it for a few hours, and come back to see how many more people respond to this thread just to tell you that you're a fool.
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We agree on those 5 points, but you have said more than that, including statements that are completely false.
A review of your errors:
1) "Cordicidin is the choice if you want to experience dxm without having to drink that nasty shit."
Pure powder, an extraction, or Dexalone pills are the methods of choice.
2) "have u experimented with Cordicidin yourself to say that people who use it bleed and all that stupid shit you said?"
I don't have to use Coricidin to know that *other* people can bleed from it, or die from it.
3) "I never argued that Cordicidin is safe. I only said that is the most potent DXM supplier than any other over the counter drug."
Depends on how you define potency. Per unit dose, Dexalone is just as potent. Pure powder is far more potent in terms of volume:drug ratio.
4) "So those whose bodies cannot metabolize Cordicidin properly, should not take it!"
You said this after recommending people take Coricidin. The problem here is that if you use your methodology, you can't know how your body tolerates Coricidin until after you've eaten it. Thus it's best just to avoid it.
5) "you people who are bashing me with the knowledge you've gained from reading have never tried CORDICIDIN but talk about it like it's the DEVIL"
This is simply a lie.
6) "Look at all those people who have died from eating these chemicals. Everyone is different. You take the risk of death or permanent damage with ANY drug you chose, ANY drug. With some, you just have to be extra cautious."
Therefore it is bad advice to suggest that Coricidin is the choice method of using DXM, because using Coricidin involves an extra risk.
7) "READ+EAT= MORE KNOWLEDGE than simply READ"
#7 is so stupid that it's unbelieveable. This is basically proof that you are, in fact, a 100'% Grade A moron.
8) "The link I gave says "these are the symptomps that may occur". "
Which is exactly why it doesn't make any sense to recommend that people use Coricidin.
9) "there is nothing i said that is wrong"
Wrong. See above.
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Edited by geokills (07/16/03 05:02 PM)
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Let me also make note (this comment not aimed at anyone . . . the discussions in this forum must be kept clean.
*me hangs head in shame like a little kid who was misbehaving while the teacher was away.
Sorry, Geo. I feel like I need a time out. LOL.
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