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zappaisgod said:
I am getting screwed.  By bums and their enablers.  If you want a welfare state YOU move.  Really, get the fuck out if you are going to be a uselss parasite.  Most of the people on welfare in this country would be considered rich by the rest of the world's standards, before they got one single check.  Most of them wouldn't need it if they would just get off their asses and stop having babies they can't support.  Or getting fucked up all day instead of working. 

I am society.  Bums are not.  They are parasites on society.  The bums are killing the host.  That's not a sign of a successful parasite.

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This attitude is why most people are loath to vote for guys like Mitt Romney. This attitude is the true expression of what they really think. Cutting through all the crap and just say what they think. They are resentful of and spiteful of poor people and especially of historically oppressed ethnic minorities. Instead of trying to trade a "hand up" for their "hand out" they want to starve babies and put hard working families whose breadwinner is laid off out on the cold streets during a recession. Send their job to China and put the family on the street. Yeah, policies like that will get you lots of votes.

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Yeah, his posts are ridiculous.  Capitalism gives you the freedom to be a bum just as much as it gives you the freedom to start a business.  His attitude plays into the hands of people who criticise capitalism as just about gathering money when its just as compatible with being lazy and working the bare minimum you need to sustain yourself.

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Under the communist systems, generally you don't eat if you don't work- you have no freedom to sit on your couch all day working the occasional shift to buy some food.

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zappaisgod said:
I am getting screwed.  By bums and their enablers.  If you want a welfare state YOU move.  Really, get the fuck out if you are going to be a uselss parasite.  Most of the people on welfare in this country would be considered rich by the rest of the world's standards, before they got one single check.  Most of them wouldn't need it if they would just get off their asses and stop having babies they can't support.  Or getting fucked up all day instead of working. 

I am society.  Bums are not.  They are parasites on society.  The bums are killing the host.  That's not a sign of a successful parasite.

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This attitude is why most people are loath to vote for guys like Mitt Romney. This attitude is the true expression of what they really think. Cutting through all the crap and just say what they think. They are resentful of and spiteful of poor people and especially of historically oppressed ethnic minorities. Instead of trying to trade a "hand up" for their "hand out" they want to starve babies and put hard working families whose breadwinner is laid off out on the cold streets during a recession. Send their job to China and put the family on the street. Yeah, policies like that will get you lots of votes.

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Rail_Gun said:
Very true. A guy I used to buy my weed from lives that way, very happily. He works maybe 25 hours a week delivering pizzas and the occasional quarter  bag. He's content to have a 2 bedroom apartment, an x-box live account, his guitar, and of course his bong.

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zappaisgod said:
Romney is a lot more compassionate than I am because I actually see the bums scamming the system.  Five babies by five different fathers.  Most people who cannot support themselves cannot do it because of choices they make.  Like being drunks.

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The Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program is designed to help needy families achieve self-sufficiency. States receive block grants to design and operate programs that accomplish one of the purposes of the TANF program.

The four purposes of the TANF program are to:

    Provide assistance to needy families so that children can be cared for in their own homes
    Reduce the dependency of needy parents by promoting job preparation, work and marriage
    Prevent and reduce unplanned pregnancies among single young adults
    Encourage the formation and maintenance of two-parent families

Source: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/programs/tanf/about

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zappaisgod said:
Romney is a lot more compassionate than I am because I actually see the bums scamming the system.  Five babies by five different fathers.  Most people who cannot support themselves cannot do it because of choices they make.  Like being drunks.

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So you have no compassion that has had five failed relationships each producing a baby? Do you at least feel compassionate for the child? Do you at least realize that it is right and good to help that poor woman for the sake of the innocent child? What choice did the child make that wronged you?

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The Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program is designed to help needy families achieve self-sufficiency. States receive block grants to design and operate programs that accomplish one of the purposes of the TANF program.

The four purposes of the TANF program are to:

    Provide assistance to needy families so that children can be cared for in their own homes
    Reduce the dependency of needy parents by promoting job preparation, work and marriage
    Prevent and reduce unplanned pregnancies among single young adults
    Encourage the formation and maintenance of two-parent families

Source: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/programs/tanf/about

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Rail_Gun said:
20 billion is nothing. The military wasted 1,300 billion last year. A big chunk of that is for veteran's welfare (the GI Bill is the largest socialist program in the history of the US). It's time to cut the military budget to a reasonable level, cut by say 96%, and take care of our own citizens.

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Rail_Gun said:
Very true. A guy I used to buy my weed from lives that way, very happily. He works maybe 25 hours a week delivering pizzas and the occasional quarter  bag. He's content to have a 2 bedroom apartment, an x-box live account, his guitar, and of course his bong.

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That's fine with me.  As long as he isn't scamming a government check and is paying taxes on the money he makes selling weed.  You don't have to say how you make the money on your tax form, by the way.

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I agree. I have a friend that is starting a medicinal marijuana company in a legal state. I never thought I'd see the day. He's only smoked pot like 10 times in his life, so I'd say he's pretty straight, except I know about his previous xanax and drinking problem. None the less he is hiring my friend, who is just getting his pharmaceutical license. So the guy plans to spend 30k a year on my other friends salary, pay for the lot, pay whatever taxes, pay for whole sale distribution, and possibly give my friend who works there a 10% commission at the end of the year of the total stores profit. He plans to pay out the ass and is going to do this all legit, with a camera in the store that records and sends a video feed directly to department of justice.

In this case he'll be working his ass off. And he said if I want to start a pharmaceutical company one day, I might be able to pull it off, if he gives me a loan, and I don't even have to sell pot, I could just sell big selling prescriptions like a cvs. The point is, I have no problem with a 'substance' being distributed for medicinal purposes, with a license, state approval, etc. Also seeing how this guy plans to work his ass off and take big risks against the federal status, I no longer have respect for lazy fuck twats that sit in a living room selling 25s all day and claiming 'society fucked up, I have to make money in another way.' Of course if a guy has a job, pays his rent, taxes, food, etc. and makes a little money on the side, then I couldn't give a shit less. I'm not going to be a hypocrite and act like I haven't known tons of pot dealers. I have known several, and some were the most stand up dudes you could meet.

I'm just saying excuses for people not doing shit are beyond me, they are pathetic. And I'm not like Zappa either I don't claim to tell people what makes them a bum or not. A guy can work 24 hours a week and work his ass off, and make more money then I ever could working 48 hours a week. It's not a question to me of measuring sweat or success or hours. It's just a question of whether a person sits on their ass not doing shit and making phone calls all day saying "text me about drugs again and I'll beat your ass" while smoking out his window 9 hours a day so the whole street can smell, claiming they work their ass off, or not. Fair enough?

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Enlil said:
It's a chart about income tax...social security and medicare are funded with payroll taxes..not income taxes...

The chart you're looking for is in the lower right corner.

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Rail_Gun said:
20 billion is nothing. The military wasted 1,300 billion last year. A big chunk of that is for veteran's welfare (the GI Bill is the largest socialist program in the history of the US). It's time to cut the military budget to a reasonable level, cut by say 96%, and take care of our own citizens.

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The GI Bill isn't socialist.  You have to do something other than breathe to earn it.

If we cut the military budget by 96% we won't have our own citizens.  That proposal is one of the stupidest I have ever seen posted on the Shroomery and I've seen some fucking doozies. 

And take care of our own citizens?  A trillion dollars of means tested welfare isn't enough for you?

By the way you have posted yet another lying tax chart.  I don't see soc sec or medicare in there anywhere.  I believe they each exceed the military budget.

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Enlil said:
And jobs...Don't forget all the jobs it would eliminate.

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