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What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause
#1696452 - 07/08/03 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Allright, so terence Mckenna died at a relatively young age of a strange and rare form of brain cancer. My friend insists its because he smoked way too much DMT. Terence expressed the possibility that it was due to his decades of daily cannabis use. What do you guys think?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1696558 - 07/08/03 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well first of all he really wasnt too young.

Its hard to say though. The doctors said they could not link the brain tumor to drug use and it was even said that it could not have been caused by drugs. But that is just what could not be linked. It is a certain possibility that it was caused by drugs.
Personally i think it was caused by drugs. But you have to remember Terrence McKenna did a WHOLE LOT of drugs. More that i will ever do in my lifetime. Plus, this sort of thing might not happen in everybody. Maybe it was his body's reaction to all the drugs. or maybe it was not the drugs at all.
I dont think marijuana can cause brain tumors, there have been no cases of it ever before. And DMT is a chemical that occurs naturally in your brain.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
#1696732 - 07/08/03 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im sure that the drugs he did didnt cause the tumor to form, but they probably didnt help it any. highly unlikely that dmt would be bad for the brain, the brain makes dmt, duh. if anything it would have been one of the obscure drugs that no one knows about, there are literally thousands of them

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Infrared]
#1696809 - 07/08/03 02:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Xibalba]
#1696841 - 07/08/03 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good, I agree with all of you on the DMT issue.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Noviseer]
#1696849 - 07/08/03 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Didn't Carl Sagan die of the same type of rare tumor? Weren't they buds, sort of? Hmmm. A friend of mine relayed that info to me a little while ago when we were talking about McKenna's death. Anyone able to lead any credence to the link between him and Sagan?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: RANKSRAGGY68]
#1697497 - 07/08/03 07:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

leary died of some type of cancer too didn't he?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: RANKSRAGGY68]
#1697570 - 07/08/03 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've always worried that heavy weed smoking was the cause. Check this out, the following men were everyday pot smokers who, after several years, died of rare cancers:

Terence McKenna, Bob Marley, and drummer Buddy Rich (and I think you're right, Carl Sagan).

Buddy Rich died of brain cancer and believed his cannabis usage was the cause (sounded just like McKenna). It worries me because I've been a heavy weed smoker for about 8 years. Maybe it's due to paraquat (the herbicide, don't know the spelling)?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1698138 - 07/08/03 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mckenna only used DMT 2-3 times a year.

Smoking something daily probably isn't good for some people.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1699010 - 07/09/03 06:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Drugs did not cause Terences death and neither did smoking pot.

Here is a picture of Terence and me when he first found out he had this tumor.

One year begfore his death.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mjshroomer]
#1699245 - 07/09/03 09:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wrote Terrence an email about two years before his passing and asked him a few questions about life, death, the universe, and all those potent questions we all wonder about. He told me that we should try to be as novel as possible in our Earthly lives.

I was quite surprised that he wrote me back. Very friendly.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: iglou]
#1699472 - 07/09/03 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats incredible! Unfortunately I only heard of terence Mckenna after he had died. I would have loved to go see this guy speak somewhere.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1699625 - 07/09/03 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

me too. he was an amazing person. i wish i could have heard leary talk. one of the FF of acid

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: crazycanadian]
#1700005 - 07/09/03 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

terrence didn't really do that many drugs though...

He did mushrooms lots for a while and then mellowed out to just a couple times a year or so. There are lots of way heavier drug users out there, and if his tumour was caused by drugs then more than 16 people a year would be diagnosed with his form of cancer.

I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Dogomush]
#1700321 - 07/09/03 03:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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terrence didn't really do that many drugs though...

He did mushrooms lots for a while and then mellowed out to just a couple times a year or so. There are lots of way heavier drug users out there, and if his tumour was caused by drugs then more than 16 people a year would be diagnosed with his form of cancer.

I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Sombie]
#1700505 - 07/09/03 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

indeed...he said he only did "substanisal" doses a few times a year after he stopped heavily using

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Dogomush]
#1700524 - 07/09/03 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"I'm going to go with the doctors and medical professionals on this one before I go with speculating shroom heads on the internet: natural causes."

His doctor told him that cannabis should help to shrink the tumor and McKenna told him that he was a case study for proving that theory wrong. Go to his web site and read it for yourself. Apparently there is a fair amount of speculation in the medical community as well. Truth is we'll probably never know for certain the root cause of his cancer.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: AislingGheal]
#1701092 - 07/09/03 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

environmental factors probably...

perhaps he was exposed to high amounts of radiation unknowingly from some sort of power plant. maybe the ground water that he drank was contaminated and toxic. who knows?

but the cause of his cancer most definitely was not the psychoactive substances that he may of consumed.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mjshroomer]
#1701806 - 07/10/03 03:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I remember reading somewhere that Bob Marley's brain tumor was assisted in its development by the amount of weed he was smoking effecting his immune system and its ability to attack tumors/growths, but I dont know if this was reputable info or not.
Certainly Terrance was a fantastic person and influence in modern philosophy (archaic revival!!).
It is food for thought that he did die of a rare type of brain cancer, when Aldous Huxley (who used LSD and various cacti alkaloids) and Timothy Leary also died of similar incipid cancers.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: bluemeanie]
#1701945 - 07/10/03 07:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There certainly is evidence pointing toward drugs causing his death. There is evidence saying that it was not.
I think that if cannibus caused his tumor than many more people would have brain tumors, because there are a lot of people out there who smoke a lot of weed. There are still hippies out there that smokke everyday.
How do brain tumors occur anyway?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
#1708951 - 07/12/03 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

uhhhh didn't Bill Hicks die from a brain tumor too ??? Creepy and weird. Maybe it was like moral retribution from the big guy hehehe

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: cerealrat]
#1709022 - 07/12/03 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my bad Iknew it was cancer....too bad he was a hellofaguy!

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1709819 - 07/12/03 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what spooks me out is that I think the claim that the government somehow gave McKenna and others cancer is not impossible.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Strumpling]
#1709826 - 07/12/03 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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what spooks me out is that I think the claim that the government somehow gave McKenna and others cancer is not impossible.

ive never heard this theory , could you fill me in on it

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Infrared]
#1709842 - 07/12/03 07:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not very familiar with it, but from what I've heard, the CIA or some government agency at some time or another confronted Terence about somethingerother, and there are people who claim that they somehow triggered the cancer - these same people would have you believe that Timothy Leary was also "wiped out" in a similar fasion.

I'm sure the more details about this claim I learn, the less plausible it sounds, but hey when you just hear it like "the government gave cancer to these 'drug-promoters' and 'psychedelic enthusiasts' because they couldn't stop these people any other way" it really sounds quite possible considering the scumbags we have "in power."

Of course nowadays the patriot act and other various bills (and incoming ones..) assist them in "snuffing out" anybody who farts in their perfume; they don't have to be nearly as sneaky about these kinds of things.

Anyway, I was just saying I wouldn't be too quick to deny our government's willingness and ability to get rid of voices they don't like to hear.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
#1709915 - 07/12/03 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well I dont think terrence died from Cannabis, Shrooms or DMT, I think he like many people absorbed to many chemicals or one really bad one and thus got cancer

THC destroys brain cancers
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1569.html

THC for tumours
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1816.html
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3016.html

Do any of you realize how much shit , you should actually be afraid of is getting into your body everyday????
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Strumpling]
#1710145 - 07/12/03 09:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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leary died of some type of cancer too didn't he?

prostate (?) cancer

I seriously doubt drugs had anything to do with Terence's death. As far as I'm aware,marijuana use has only been linked with lung cancer and mushrooms and DMT are most likely totally non carcinogenic (relatively speaking).

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Xibalba]
#1712949 - 07/13/03 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I concur.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural C [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
#1714788 - 07/14/03 02:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

His doctor told him that cannabis should help to shrink the tumor and McKenna told him that he was a case study for proving that theory wrong.

Yeah I read that.. Terence jokingly said that marijuana shrinking tumours is definetly not possible which is a joke about how he smoked so much pot that if that were true there's no way he'd died of cancer. Don't be silly.. I know people.. lots of people.. lots of pot is consumed... TONS of pot is consumed by TONS of people, and there are only 16 people a year WORLD WIDE who get his cancer which means that NO, MARIJUANA OR ANY OTHER DRUG HEAVILY USED CAUSED HIS CANCER.

And watch it with the conspiracy theories, boys, cause EVERYBODY dies of cancer.. 75% of my grandparents died of cancer... WOAH must be a government plan.

It's very simple: Terence died of cancer. fin.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
#1715911 - 07/14/03 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i wouldnt be at all surprised if some government run organization killed all these people. they all stood up for the exact things our government seems to want to keep from us. theres no way they dont know about the mind opening effects of these drugs. they only want us to make them a prosperous country. if everyone was smoking weed and taking mushrooms, people would start thinking for themselves and "oh no, if that were to happen the world as we know it would end!!" maybe

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
#1716406 - 07/14/03 08:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Non drug-users die EVERY DAY! :laugh:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Xlea321]
#12012891 - 02/11/10 09:29 PM (2 years, 2 days ago)

I joined this blog after searching for the cause of T. Mckenna's death.
As I first found the brain tumor theory, Bob Marley came to my mind. A documentary I saw, showed the Rasta had CIA concerned about his peace message upsetting the system in the Caribbean. He died of a strange brain decease. Bruce Lee was teaching "too much" to the west and died of a brain tumor. I didn't know about Carl Sagan but he was opening the minds too. I'm not surprised T.Mckenna would have been supressed given that UN tried to forbid DMT and big time labs "Appropriate Ayahuasca" after a failed and ridiculous attempt to patent it.
Too much conspiracy theory someone might say. I suggest you to hear on youtube or read Dr. Lena Luukaanen, former health officer in Finland talking about manners the secret services have to kill someone through seemingly natural deceases.
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: crazycanadian]
#13200472 - 09/15/10 04:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Cancer is the second biggest killer behind cardiovascular failure in America, and probably much of the world. People often get cancer with no explanation. Sometimes it just happens.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#13201069 - 09/15/10 06:27 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I believe that the reason why the cannabis didnt do anything to help the tumors is because the psychoactive dose of THC is unioverses smaller than the medical dose.

proportionately, youre just taking in a lot more reactive carcinogens when you smoke, and the amount that he did probably contributed to a mild lesser health condition. other factors contribute too, like diet and inactivity and such.

but if he was to make "hemp oil" ;P or something along those lines, just pure cannabinoids without the carcinogens, i believe that he could have recovered

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Smeeeeg]
#13202508 - 09/16/10 01:03 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

way to bump a 7 year old thread
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: halo]
#13202570 - 09/16/10 01:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

i heard that Terence was a greasy bacon and eggs man(i know i was also surprised), and bad nutrition can cause cancer! doctors dont learn much about food in med school. it could have been the drugs that caused his not so early departure, but i bet you, Terence had a damn good time doing it.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: monkiman]
#13202586 - 09/16/10 01:54 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I think he had a genetic predisposition and ignorant medical care. His acncer was a bit uncommon and while I agree with you that most disease can be tracked one way or another to diet, I think in his case he had a genetic predisposition and unfortunately for him the right circumstances happened that allowed it to manifest and kill him.
But - I don't know anything about him or it except what I have read here, so that is just a guess.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: monkiman]
#13202910 - 09/16/10 05:32 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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i heard that Terence was a greasy bacon and eggs man(i know i was also surprised), and bad nutrition can cause cancer! doctors dont learn much about food in med school. it could have been the drugs that caused his not so early departure, but i bet you, Terence had a damn good time doing it.

Bacon and eggs does a body good. Sugar and such will screw you up. If one has pancakes with butter and syrup, everyone blames the butter and not the other stuff devoid of benefit to health.

Cancer largely can be seen as a disease of chronic immune suppression/dysfunction. What causes a dramatic suppression of the immune system? Sugars (glucose, sucrose, fructose etc) and polyunsaturated fats (the supposed good fats).

Unless we know every detail about the man we wouldn't know enough. What if he had chronically low levels of vitamin D? Easy to point toward the obvious, but there are a lot more factors than people know. Blaming eggs and bacon is a sure way to continue a cycle of ignorance in health though.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Lennyk]
#13203626 - 09/16/10 09:43 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

he prolly got the tumor cuz he was thinking too much

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13204506 - 09/16/10 12:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

terence mckenna got brain cancer cuz of all the radiation from that giant ass satellite dish he kept above his house in hawaii

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Envix]
#13205825 - 09/16/10 05:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I actually just read an interview with him in some magazine that was done as he was dying. It was an online .PDF file of a magazine with lots of interviews. I think I came across it via Sasha Shulgin research I was doing. Regardless, the interviewer asked him this exact question. And it was obviously something Terence had considered himself because he stated that he asked the doctors about the weed having done it or the mushrooms, etc.

He said that their response was a laugh and a "Absolutely not." However, he also said he questioned whether their info was accurate or not because they also dismissed the idea that the horrible migraines he had been getting for years could be related to it either. He said something along the lines of "Anyone who was getting the migraines that I was would have a hard time believing they weren't somehow related."

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Noviseer]
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: jaggaboo]
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Adamist]
#13472409 - 11/12/10 06:17 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

bob marly had a skin cancer on his toe and refused to get the toe removed because of his rasta religion, then it spread and he dieded :frown:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: bluemeanie]
#13473016 - 11/12/10 09:21 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I remember reading somewhere that Bob Marley's brain tumor was assisted in its development by the amount of weed he was smoking effecting his immune system and its ability to attack tumors/growths, but I dont know if this was reputable info or not.
Certainly Terrance was a fantastic person and influence in modern philosophy (archaic revival!!).
It is food for thought that he did die of a rare type of brain cancer, when Aldous Huxley (who used LSD and various cacti alkaloids) and Timothy Leary also died of similar incipid cancers.

Bru, it wasn't a brain tumor in Bob Marley, he had it in is big toe, and he refused to get it amputated.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Shpongle1]
#14590604 - 06/10/11 12:22 PM (8 months, 1 day ago)

Well maybe smoking cannabis might cause cancer cells to appear, but taking the oil can result in diminishing cancer cells!!
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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mudboy]
#14591080 - 06/10/11 02:07 PM (8 months, 1 day ago)

Cancer and heart failure and just what people in the US die from. Our medicine's good enough that there isn't much else that kills us, at least not in the same great numbers. See how low down everything else is?: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: mundane]
#14592188 - 06/10/11 06:19 PM (8 months, 1 day ago)

I don't know all that much about McKenna, but I would think it was either from obscure chemicals/drugs (don't know if he took them, just sayin') or possibly, did he smoke cigs? That could be it

Other than that though, I doubt mushrooms caused it or DMT

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: VTtripper]
#14595597 - 06/11/11 10:40 AM (8 months, 10 hours ago)

My grandmother (dads side) died of old age at 86. My grandmother was the mother of the heroes who fought WW2, she received ground breaking new medical treatment to remove cancer from her left eye and optical nerve and also part of the bone's of her skull in late 1940's. I remember as a child being asked to place my fingers in the depressions in grandma's head and being told its a miracle shes alive, I also remember getting the wonderful feeling that life and people are very very precious from the story's I was told back then.

Grandmothers youngest son also lost an eye when he was a young child yet hes still alive and in his 90s.

My dad died of brain cancer in early 1990's aged 71, cerebral gloma I think it was named as that had done him in. Then a few years later the middle son of the three kids my grandmother birthed died of the same thing.

Am I scared of dieing of brain cancer? you bet I am. Do I think psychedelics might cause it if it happened? naaa its all in the genes. None of these people I'm talking about here ever used psychedelics (I dont think... pity). dont worry.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: VTtripper]
#14595633 - 06/11/11 10:47 AM (8 months, 10 hours ago)

Terence was an advocate of taking natural drugs that have been used for a long time by native spiritual communities. I remember hearing him talk down on Ketamine and MDMA based on the fact that we really have no information about long term use of the chemicals. Things like ayahuasca, cannabis, mushrooms, salvia, peyote, he advocated using because they've been taken for a long time and the communities that use them don't show negative effects from the use such a blindness, sterility, above average instances of mental disorder, premature birth etc...

So I don't think his tumor would have anything to do with his use of "obscure chemicals/drugs." I haven't read through this thread in a while but I'm pretty sure someone mentioned the huge satellite dish on top of his house being a more likely culprit than his drug use :lol:

.. and I'd have to agree with that.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Shpongle1]
#14597216 - 06/11/11 05:14 PM (8 months, 3 hours ago)

7 year old thread.... back from the dead!

Anyway, it is (and always has been) RIDICULOUS to speculate on what may have caused terence mckenna's, or any other celebrities' brain tumors!

None of us is a doctor, and none of us had any idea what any of these people's lives were truly like!

An equally likely scenario:

Terence Mckenna was walking around his house in hawaii and was struck by gamma radiation emitted from a supernova several hundred light years away. The radiation damaged his DNA and caused some brain cells to become malignant.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#14598111 - 06/11/11 08:47 PM (8 months, 27 minutes ago)

His soul left his body into the next dimension, we only understand it as Mckenna's death.

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The brain makes it...DMT [Re: Infrared]
#15223300 - 10/14/11 12:41 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

It would be inaccurate to say something cannot be bad for the brain if the brain makes it...example: serotonin is naturally released in the brain however an overincrease by the use of SSRI's causes the possibly fatal serotonin sydrome or serotonin toxicity. I.E. DMT could possibly be toxic however there is no scientific evidence supporting this idea. But all things can be toxic was you reach the right concentration. If there were ever going to be someone to find the toxic level of DMT it would be Terrance Mckenna....or maybe Snoop Dogg :smirk:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: whit_ster]
#15223330 - 10/14/11 12:53 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Ugh. I just watched Bob Marleys Documentary. His cancer came from a rare infection he contracted from a cut on his foot. The guy never wore shoes so you can imagine how something like that may of happened. And Idk about Mckenna. His death was a great loss though. I occasionally think of what he would talk about and how he would feel to see DMT breakout into the mainstream as it has today.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: whit_ster]
#15223360 - 10/14/11 01:04 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

thers others that have lived over 90 years + with cannabis use daily , brain tumors are rare cases and could be causes of maybe other research or unnatural drug use he have done but who knows really , we shouldnt be afraid of cannabis cuz there are actual studies that it may or will reduce cancer tumors.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Guesstimate]
#15224551 - 10/14/11 10:16 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

In some of his lectures he would discuss psilocybin as a treatment for cluster headaches, as he was a long time cluster headache sufferer. I'm no neurosurgeon, but if, for years you suffered through worse than migraine headaches, it may be a precursor to something like a brain tumor.
Just speculating.
Either way, he served his purpose, living his messianic mission, and was called to return home when the job was done.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: xoanon]
#15224869 - 10/14/11 11:44 AM (3 months, 30 days ago)

Dude did a lot of drugs.

I tend to think this is the reason coupled with chronic marijuana smoking and a bad diet.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: xoanon]
#15228040 - 10/15/11 12:16 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

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Either way, he served his purpose, living his messianic mission, and was called to return home when the job was done.

I'm disappointed we didn't get to see the wiser, more articulate, elderly terence mckenna.

What if he had decided to write some fiction?? (He may have, but it was all lost in an awful fire)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Kon-nect-id]
#15228044 - 10/15/11 12:17 AM (3 months, 29 days ago)

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Dude did a lot of drugs.

I tend to think this is the reason coupled with chronic marijuana smoking and a bad diet.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#15428536 - 11/26/11 10:41 PM (2 months, 17 days ago)

Don't mean to bump, but this is important relevant health related info not yet discussed.

I recently read a post on shroomery, which talked about the orange "jungle spice" dmt, here's the quote:

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So I'm wondering... The old-school heads at the festivals keep talking about RED or ORANGE DMT from back in the day, and how strong it was. I'm wondering if that old-school spice was actually just a mixture of the 2 alkaloids in one product... because as far as I can tell, pure DMT is white or clear crystals."

"I have had the orange DMT that Terrence and old heads speak of. It is DIFFERENT than the snow white DMT people extract these days. People will say things like "it's impure, clean it" blah blah blah. No. They've never had it then. It is the most ridiculously potent DMT SWIM has ever smoked.

Terrence smoked that red/orange shit, likely had some carcinogens in it because it obviously wasn't pure. So it wasn't the DMT but rather some other impurity. An impurity that wouldn't be found in ayahausca (lye or naptha or other alkaloids). Remember the meso-americans never extracted and smoked harsh orange impure "jungle spice"..

I wouldn't recommend any lab monkeys out there ever smoke anything but snow white DMT.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15429169 - 11/27/11 03:40 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

There might be carcinogenic alkaloids or other chemicals present in both ayahuasca and in red/orange jungle spice, but I seriously doubt that this caused Terence McKenna's brain tumor. Not even cigarette smoking has been linked to tumors that start in the brain (as opposed to arising from metastasis of lung cancer). No one really knows what causes this type of cancer.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Rhizoid]
#15429777 - 11/27/11 08:15 AM (2 months, 17 days ago)

i don't know why people are going around placing drugs as the blame for the deaths of mckenna, marley, leary, bill hicks, etc... cancers one of the top killers period. it's no surprise if anybody gets cancer. but there's never been any evidence that LSD, Mushrooms, Pot, DMT are carcinogenic. no one smokes a pack of DMT a day and pot has been proven to inhibit tumor growth.

many of these people probably drank soda and alcohol and smoked cigarettes and ingested the nasty chemicals we pollute into our air and put in our food products just like the rest of america. so i HIGHLY doubt his death was drug related. Alex Grey is pretty old and still kickin. if there were health risks for psychedelic drugs you'd see it across the board

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15433635 - 11/27/11 10:56 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Ha, you still wont see me smoking that orange shit..

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Xlea321]
#15433654 - 11/27/11 11:02 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Mckenna only used DMT 2-3 times a year.

Smoking something daily probably isn't good for some people.

You mean all people? Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't make it any less true...just sayin'.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: tokinman21]
#15433886 - 11/28/11 12:44 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

well didnt he do RC's tho shulgin isnt dead or sick and hes probally done more RCs then any one

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: smiley69]
#15435803 - 11/28/11 01:43 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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well didnt he do RC's tho shulgin isnt dead or sick and hes probally done more RCs then any one

Oh really? That's what I always attributed it to mainly with McKenna, I thought he was heavy into RCs.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: tokinman21]
#15435855 - 11/28/11 01:56 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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well didnt he do RC's tho shulgin isnt dead or sick and hes probally done more RCs then any one

Oh really? That's what I always attributed it to mainly with McKenna, I thought he was heavy into RCs.

How could you have ever gotten that impression I wonder? He specifically speaks out on a number of occasions against using drugs that are untested. He always recommended plant "drugs", and ones that have been used for long periods of time with no observed long term negative side effects.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Shpongle1]
#15436051 - 11/28/11 02:42 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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How could you have ever gotten that impression I wonder? He specifically speaks out on a number of occasions against using drugs that are untested. He always recommended plant "drugs", and ones that have been used for long periods of time with no observed long term negative side effects.

I think your right. except for one thing; the smoking of unpure orange dmt doesn't have a long history of use. Earliest would be the 60's? and there aren't any studies on the effects of smoking that nasty orange shit. Pure DMT is a different story - obviously nothing wrong with that.

Also note that Shulgin is a lab chemist and what he ingests is definitely as pure as it gets, his product wouldn't contain the impurities that the "home chemist" might sometimes ingest on occasion.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15436110 - 11/28/11 02:59 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Terence's opinion of it had nothing to do with purity though.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15436813 - 11/28/11 05:26 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Pure DMT is a different story - obviously nothing wrong with that.

has this been tested? i always get paranoid about putting that nasty shit in my lungs. i figure if it's vaporized it can't be THAT bad but it still feels soooo gross. if it wasn't the most amazing drug in the world i probably wouldn't ever do it

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15438845 - 11/29/11 02:36 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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has this been tested? i always get paranoid about putting that nasty shit in my lungs. i figure if it's vaporized it can't be THAT bad but it still feels soooo gross. if it wasn't the most amazing drug in the world i probably wouldn't ever do it

If it's pure dmt being vaporized there's nothing wrong - it's perfectly healthy. Remember dmt has been consumed for thousands of years in drink form and it's naturally produced in most living animals. However if it's burned it could be bad for your lungs.. But the real issue is the impurities that are sometimes left behind in the extraction, that's where the health risk lies. Make sure you use reagent/food grade chemicals and ensure the final product is as pure as possible. Sodium Carbonate (washing soda) doesn't vaporize or burn when you put a lighter to it so it wont enter your lungs, that's why it's fine to wash your dmt with it.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15439264 - 11/29/11 06:53 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Deepninja- seriously, you're not a doctor and you are making wild medical assumptions. There is no reason to believe that vaporized DMT is good, okay, healthy, or even acceptable for your lungs and 'that orange shit' is straight from the devil.

Guess what? TMK probably never fucked with an extract from MHRB, especially not one made with marsofold's tek :lol:

Please, quit with this.

And can we stop speculating on terence mckenna's death? Last I checked, none of us fucking knew the guy and all we have to base what we think his life was like is what he publicly told us over the years.

Maybe he was a crackhead?
Maybe he grew up downwind from a chemical factory?
Maybe this thread is fucking retarded?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#15439276 - 11/29/11 06:57 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

terence mckenna mentioned smoking dmt that looked like 'orange mothballs' + terence mckenna died of incurable brain cancer = ORANGE COLORED DMT IS BAD AND CAUSES CANCER

How scientific! :wink:

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#15439693 - 11/29/11 09:36 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
#15439818 - 11/29/11 10:21 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

He did try some synthetics i believe. And i know he mentioned his brain cancer as possibly being "The revenge of synthetics" .

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: infectedstyle]
#15439861 - 11/29/11 10:32 AM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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He did try some synthetics i believe. And i know he mentioned his brain cancer as possibly being "The revenge of synthetics" .

yes but he wasn't a doctor. i don't think self-diagnosing makes it valid.

think of the popular RC's of the time which are now classic psychedelics. LSD, MDMA, etc. people back then had NO clue on the long term effects yet they turned out to be relatively safe and non-carcinogenic. now this doesn't mean that other RC's can't be dangerous... but why would we speculate on drugs that have been used on a handful of occasions when we are constantly consuming chemicals from our air supply, food supply, and through doctor prescription which have very limited human testing and are sometimes MUCH more dangerous?

what about Accutane? that stuff was on the market 20+ years before they discovered it lead to crohns disease. i was eating that shit daily for about 4 months when the docs put me on it when i was younger. same with all the BPA in our food packaging and particle matter and other emissions in our air supply. is there really reason to believe that small exposure to RC's is more harmful than these things we ingest every day?

that's just a new view i've been taking on RC's lately. of course caution is always good with untested chemicals, but i don't think anyone should jump to conclusions on TMK's death.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441079 - 11/29/11 04:14 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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He did try some synthetics i believe. And i know he mentioned his brain cancer as possibly being "The revenge of synthetics" .

yes but he wasn't a doctor. i don't think self-diagnosing makes it valid.

think of the popular RC's of the time which are now classic psychedelics. LSD, MDMA, etc. people back then had NO clue on the long term effects yet they turned out to be relatively safe and non-carcinogenic. now this doesn't mean that other RC's can't be dangerous... but why would we speculate on drugs that have been used on a handful of occasions when we are constantly consuming chemicals from our air supply, food supply, and through doctor prescription which have very limited human testing and are sometimes MUCH more dangerous?

what about Accutane? that stuff was on the market 20+ years before they discovered it lead to crohns disease. i was eating that shit daily for about 4 months when the docs put me on it when i was younger. same with all the BPA in our food packaging and particle matter and other emissions in our air supply. is there really reason to believe that small exposure to RC's is more harmful than these things we ingest every day?

that's just a new view i've been taking on RC's lately. of course caution is always good with untested chemicals, but i don't think anyone should jump to conclusions on TMK's death.

You're wrong about MDMA, all the latest research shows MDMA is neurotoxic, check the latest research and you'll find lots on the subject, heck even the erowid consensus is that it's neurotoxic..

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#15441109 - 11/29/11 04:22 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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There is no reason to believe that vaporized DMT is good, okay, healthy, or even acceptable for your lungs and 'that orange shit' is straight from the devil.

DMT is not unhealthy anyway what so ever in terms of pharmacology in the body, vaporized DMT in the lungs smoked through a bong for example wont burn your lungs because it's not hot enough, and it's water soluble in your lungs (how the hell do you think it makes it to your brain?) The only way it could be unhealthy is if it's burned by the flame meaning it's no longer DMT but rather by products from being burnt. Do you even know what the benefits of vaporizing are???? You don't get any products from combustion when you vaporize. I'm guessing you haven't taken a chemisty class yet or you would know that.

Chemicals that are toxic in solid form are still toxic in liquid/gas form.. Chemicals that are NOT toxic in solid form are also NOT toxic in liquid or gas form. So answer this then, how would DMT be toxic in gas form when it is not toxic in liquid or solid form?? What determental effect would the vapor have after it's been cooled through a water bong? Anyone out there wanna try and answer that one without rambling off about TMK? I'll be surprised if someone can

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441157 - 11/29/11 04:32 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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He did try some synthetics i believe. And i know he mentioned his brain cancer as possibly being "The revenge of synthetics" .

yes but he wasn't a doctor. i don't think self-diagnosing makes it valid.

think of the popular RC's of the time which are now classic psychedelics. LSD, MDMA, etc. people back then had NO clue on the long term effects yet they turned out to be relatively safe and non-carcinogenic. now this doesn't mean that other RC's can't be dangerous... but why would we speculate on drugs that have been used on a handful of occasions when we are constantly consuming chemicals from our air supply, food supply, and through doctor prescription which have very limited human testing and are sometimes MUCH more dangerous?

what about Accutane? that stuff was on the market 20+ years before they discovered it lead to crohns disease. i was eating that shit daily for about 4 months when the docs put me on it when i was younger. same with all the BPA in our food packaging and particle matter and other emissions in our air supply. is there really reason to believe that small exposure to RC's is more harmful than these things we ingest every day?

that's just a new view i've been taking on RC's lately. of course caution is always good with untested chemicals, but i don't think anyone should jump to conclusions on TMK's death.

You're wrong about MDMA, all the latest research shows MDMA is neurotoxic, check the latest research and you'll find lots on the subject, heck even the erowid consensus is that it's neurotoxic..

erowid still has research papers posted by Ricaurte. Ricaurte himself knows he's an idiot and retracted those papers years ago because he admitted he was using methamphetamine and not MDMA after failed attempts to show significant damage with MDMA. i think the latest swedish studies show that full brain function and serotonin levels return after 4 weeks abstinence. whether it's correct or not, who knows... but honestly, how many people do you know who show significant lack of brain function with responsible usage of MDMA? any neurotoxicity obviously isn't significant in reasonable doseage

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441163 - 11/29/11 04:33 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Surprised that no one's said it, but Terence's cause of death is clear...

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441193 - 11/29/11 04:38 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

when you vaporize DMT you often times don't use high end electronic vaporizers so there is often times still a little combustion. besides, you're not vaporizing water here... sure it's a non-toxic drug but you don't know for sure what it does when it lines the inside of your lungs. aren't you still inhaling particulate matter? not saying youre wrong, but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441207 - 11/29/11 04:42 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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DMT is not unhealthy anyway what so ever in terms of pharmacology in the body, vaporized DMT in the lungs smoked through a bong for example wont burn your lungs because it's not hot enough, and it's water soluble in your lungs (how the hell do you think it makes it to your brain?) The only way it could be unhealthy is if it's burned by the flame meaning it's no longer DMT but rather by products from being burnt. Do you even know what the benefits of vaporizing are???? You don't get any products from combustion when you vaporize. I'm guessing you haven't taken a chemisty class yet or you would know that.

Ok but the DECIDING difference is that DMT is water soluble, so if it's in your lungs it doesn't stay there like tar from smoke....

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441234 - 11/29/11 04:46 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

I actually just discussed this with Alex Grey recently.

He was of the opinion that Terence's frequent cell-phone use may have been a contributing factor to his tumor. Bear in mind, these early cellphones were huge and Terence was using them regularly while at his place in Hawaii. Hour + long interviews etc. I was surprised to hear Alex mention this, but after I digested it, it does make a great deal of sense. Alex knew Terence quite well.

Alex then brought up Bill Hicks and his similar fate; we both agreed at my suggestion that they simply flew too close to the Sun.

I believe that Terence was just "unlucky" enough, as was Bill; it was almost like it was "meant" to happen to solidify their legacy as thinkers who pushed the boundaries.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15441241 - 11/29/11 04:48 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs

Ok and what else exactly would you have to consider besides toxity, combustion, PH, and temperature? I'd like to know your answer?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BrainFood]
#15441286 - 11/29/11 04:56 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

Ya that sounds reasonable. I don't think the orange goo was the cause of his death, you miss read my statement. I implied though that it may have had something to do with it. Again, I never said it was the direct cause. Likely was a culmination of environmental and possibly genetic influences that were not in his favor.. On a different note I'm curios to know who here smokes the deep orange DMT/alkaloid mix after extraction? does anyone believe that it's safe to smoke? Really, does anyone smoke that? It seems that all of you disagree that it's unhealthy so I assume you all smoke it and don't purify your dmt.. A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441519 - 11/29/11 05:35 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?

yes, its probably a lot healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds or whatever shitty type of food you prefer

Why are you even arguing in an 8 year old thread about things you probably have no clue about, and have been on the forum for under a month?

and then when people explain why you're wrong you back yourself up with semantics :lolsy:

stop posting in this thread, seriously...

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15441659 - 11/29/11 06:00 PM (2 months, 15 days ago)

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but you have to consider more than just toxicity and combustion when you talk about inhaling anything into your lungs

Ok and what else exactly would you have to consider besides toxity, combustion, PH, and temperature? I'd like to know your answer?

i already made a suggestion of particulate matter. i have a really hard time believing that with any handheld vaporizer you're going to get nothing but 100% pure DMT. even then i can't imagine putting anything other than oxygen into your lungs doesn't have some kind of drawback to it. im not going to lie my lungs were a little achey feeling after smoking DMT a few days in a row. my point wasn't that your logic was wrong, but that you can't really go around claiming things like that without a real test.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: Gresh]
#15442569 - 11/29/11 09:28 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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A general yes or no; do you think that red/orange spice is safe to smoke?

yes, its probably a lot healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds or whatever shitty type of food you prefer

Why are you even arguing in an 8 year old thread about things you probably have no clue about, and have been on the forum for under a month?

and then when people explain why you're wrong you back yourself up with semantics

stop posting in this thread, seriously...

probably healthier than a single dose of mcdonalds? Do you know why mcdonalds is unhealthy? ...

I'm trying to make the point that most people on these forums don't think it's a good idea to smoke anything but pure DMT and you come along and argue it with no "facts" of your own. Take your negativity elsewhere, I'm trying to get people to smoke nothing but pure clean DMT and then you come trying to slam that effort. If you decide to make another comment, at least make a positive contribution to someone's well being like I'm trying to do. If not then just go beat your dog more.

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15442583 - 11/29/11 09:33 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

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i have a really hard time believing that with any handheld vaporizer you're going to get nothing but 100% pure DMT

Yes yes but it's still very close to pure DMT as I'm sure you're smoking nice white crystals. Do you smoke the orange/red jungle spice? let's hope not
And as far as particle matter, are you referring to small un-vaporized dmt crystals?? those minute DMT particles dissolve in your lungs immediately

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: deepninja]
#15449710 - 12/01/11 12:44 PM (2 months, 13 days ago)

Not sure I remember reading any medical studies about the safety of inhaling DMT vapor recently...

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Re: What caused Terence McKenna's Death? Drugs or Natural Cause [Re: BrainFood]
#15455414 - 12/02/11 03:24 PM (2 months, 12 days ago)

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Alex then brought up Bill Hicks and his similar fate; we both agreed at my suggestion that they simply flew too close to the Sun.

I brought the subject up with God a while back. He claimed that Terence McKenna was murdered by a self-transforming machine elf from another dimension, but he didn't have any proof yet.

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