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 President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" 
#16886176 - 09/21/12 01:31 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-furious-program-begun-154000510--abc-news-politics.html
Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.
"I think it's important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration," the president said. "When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did initiate this were held accountable."
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In actuality, the Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.
Previous programs involving ATF agents allowing guns to "walk" across the border so as to trace them were run during the Bush presidency, but not this particular "field-initiated program."
White House officials did not respond to a request for comment after the falsehood was pointed out to them.
As for President Obama's discussion about the Justice Department Inspector General's report on Fast and Furious, it's true the Inspector General "concluded that although Attorney General Holder was notified immediately of (Border Patrol) Agent (Brian) Terry's shooting and death, he was not told about the connection between the firearms found at the scene of the shooting and Operation Fast and Furious.
We determined that Attorney General Holder did not learn of that fact until sometime in 2011, after he received Sen. Grassley's January 27 letter. Senior Department officials were aware of this significant and troubling information by December 17, 2010, but did not believe the information was sufficiently important to alert the Attorney General about it or to make any further inquiry regarding this development."
But this was not entirely an exoneration of the Justice Department run by Mr. Holder. "We found it troubling that a case of this magnitude, and one that affected Mexico so significantly was not directly briefed to the Attorney General," the report stated.
In addition to specific disciplinary measures, the Inspector General "made six recommendations designed to increase the Department's involvement in and oversight of ATF operations, improve coordination among the Department's law enforcement components, and enhance the Department's wiretap application review and authorization process. The OIG intends to closely monitor the department's progress in implementing these recommendations."
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: biggysmall]
#16886251 - 09/21/12 01:49 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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I guess Obama will never stop blaming Bush and accept any responsibility for his own actions. Funny though. If a previous administration can have this much impact on a current administration, doesn't that mean that Bill Clinton owed his good fortunes to the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations? Obama should name his memoirs "Blaming Bush"
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: Shroomacabra]
#16886804 - 09/21/12 03:33 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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It happened twice this one should have been called "2 Fast 2 Furious."
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: aiyobro]
#16887032 - 09/21/12 04:25 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Project Gunrunner did begun under Bush...Fast and Furious is just a name that the Justice Department gave to a group of operations that were carried out in Pheonix under Project Gunrunner(which was carried out by the ATF).
I'm not saying that the whole premise behind gunwalking is sound, I definitely don't support it. And I think Holder should have stopped the program rather than continue it, but thats because I hold different views on policy than he does, Holder isn't completely responsible for all the fuck ups of the ATF. And Obama really doesn't have anything to do with the day to day operations of the ATF, it's not either of their faults that the ATF is rife with incompetency. Blame Holder for continuing bad Bush policy, but that's all you can blame him for.
Edited by Coolwhip (09/21/12 04:29 PM)
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: Coolwhip]
#16887237 - 09/21/12 04:59 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Fast and Furious started in 2006 under the name "Operation Wide Receiver"
But it must be Obama's fault, since Obama was clearly in office in 2006.
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: BA142]
#16887433 - 09/21/12 05:35 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Lame try.
"Operation Wide Receiver" ran from 06 - 07.
"Fast and Furious" ran from 09 - 11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#Operation_Wide_Receiver
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16888030 - 09/21/12 07:21 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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If honesty were to be introduced into the political process, the whole system would collapse.
American government has a nice strong foundation composed of high-quality, grade A bullshit.
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: Stumbles]
#16889544 - 09/21/12 11:54 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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its clearly britain's fault for losing the war with the colonies
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: venetianblinds]
#16889603 - 09/22/12 12:07 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Wonderful our president is lying to us... Nothing new it seems.... If he gets elected a second term that is proof politics is a joke.
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: venetianblinds]
#16890807 - 09/22/12 07:50 AM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
venetianblinds said:
its clearly britain's fault for losing the war with the colonies
LoL that's one way of looking at it
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: tacodude]
#16893987 - 09/22/12 09:37 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
tacodude said:
Wonderful our president is lying to us... Nothing new it seems.... If he gets elected a second term that is proof politics is a joke.
Well Bush got a second term didn't he?
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Re: President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program "Begun Under the Previous Administration" [Re: Visionary Tools]
#16896546 - 09/23/12 12:18 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Most notoriously-Communist govts are called democratic republics, fwiw.
Each party represents a different subsidiary of the same govt, which holds the same monopoly, over all finance and all the means of production.
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