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 johneverclark
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 what the dichotomous said to achilles / death and the impasse 
#16883085 - 09/20/12 11:09 PM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
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to posit a theory;
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That which is in locomotion must arrive at the half-way stage before it arrives at the goal.
- aristotle paraphrasing xeno
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"It may be that Zeno's arguments on motion, because of their simplicity and universality, will always serve as a kind of 'Rorschach image' onto which people can project their most fundamental phenomenological concerns (if they have any)."
- brown
i would like to project here a fundamental phenomenological concern; what if the idea of death is a discourse[1] which makes death seem a finite end. if we take life to be a continuous entropy unto death (making death a finite point), then surely to progress from A (that is, life) to B (death) we must arrive at an infinite series of half-way points. perhaps when we "die" (and i would like to point out that the medical definition of death is spurious) we are in actuality still within our bodies, only beyond the currently measurable realm of empirical science, and will remain there eternally.
this, to me in any case, seems to relate in an obscure way to the idea of holonic consciousness[2]. holons are systems that comprise other systems, e.g. our body is made of organs, those organs are made of tissues, those tissues are made of cells and so on, and not only do they extend inward, they also extend outwards, society is an holon, within which there are people with more or less power than others (a hierarchy), the earth is a holon, moving as it does through space and so on.
something else to note is that all these holons are participating in a linked system, which enables us to function as a whole, and thus comprise our consciousness. as we age certain holons are diseased in their functioning, or even stop functioning entirely, which alters our existence in the "higher" holon. this i would call a regression, seeing as we begin life intact and "end" it due to the failure of these comprising units.
perhaps life is an infinitely long regression into the holons that work together to construct us, however that seems to refute my first point... such are the problems when one is dealing with infinity! i propose a half-way point, an intermediary between that particular paradox and our perception of reality (in much the same way one might propose an intermediary between determinism and free will); maybe our linear perception of time never ceases, and that illusion continues to hold after "death". i imply here that our consciousness, which includes all the units that comprise it, is immortal until the complete dissolution of the body (and even then it still continues as earth/dust.)
this kind of reminds me of a story by jorge luis borges called "the secret miracle" in which the main character becomes frozen in time, unable to move his body but able to utilize his mind. perhaps the same will come of us when we are "dead", we will continue to experience a realm of perception which is within our individual holons.
i hope i've phrased this more adequately than before, i think i got too carried away with theology in my last post...
1. to utilise bertrand russel's theories of discourse as phrased by Iara Lessa "systems of thoughts composed of ideas, attitudes, courses of action, beliefs and practices that systematically construct the subjects and the worlds of which they speak."
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holon_(philosophy)
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resonanceinc
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Re: what the dichotomous said to achilles / death and the impasse [Re: johneverclark]
#16884181 - 09/21/12 02:37 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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hehe. no replies?
That which is in locomotion must arrive at the half-way stage before it arrives at the goal.
yes, it seems that it could never be at the goal, unless it WAS the goal. if they are not the same, then they are separate, and there is an infinite amount of space between them. yes?
in the same way you could never be at the beginning?
=)
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 Icelander
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Re: what the dichotomous said to achilles / death and the impasse [Re: resonanceinc]
#16885348 - 09/21/12 10:31 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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I didn't reply because I'm dead.
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