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you can find the full article above, from the Arizona Daily Courier, or get the quick facts below
apparently, they are having problems keeping synthetic drugs illegal. they make some synthetic drugs illegal, and a couple weeks later, they raid the stores, confiscate all the synthetic drugs, and yet find nothing illegal in the laboratory results. this is according to them. so THEIR idea, is that if retailers sell "synthetic drugs," whether illegal or not (and keep in mind who will be determining what is a "synthetic drug,") that they can be arrested for "causing a public nuisance," as "synthetic drugs" have been shown hundreds of times to be a "public nuisance" ... "The civil case presents more than 100 affidavits from police, hospitals, schools, public health officials and others with reports of detrimental and health threatening effects of the synthetics."
this is one of those times for just what in the, i don't even.......
i know some of you will immediately see some of the incredible legal implications here. some of you will see even far more. there are tons. even myself, by no means a US Law expert, i can quickly see the immense problems here. take fully-synthetic sweeteners, for example. fully-synthetic sweeteners such as aspartame have been shown time and time again to cause a change in mood, due to the sweetening effect it has on the beverage. is this a "synthetic drug?" some people even argue it's addictive, and it has definitely been linked to causing cancer. is cancer a "public nuisance?"
so if this goes through, can the police now go and arrest all restaurant owners that offer fully-synthetic, cancer-causing, artificial sweeteners, over "public nuisance"? if not, what would be there to prevent them from it?
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Quote: supernovasky said: There aren't many legal implications here.
It is an incredibly weak way to prosecute, and the penalties are not steep at all for public nuisance.
Not steep, sure, but think of this. These cases become the norm in dealing with the "synth drug epidemic." Guy sells "synthetic drugs" and gets arrested for "public nuisance."
He's found guilty, and gets 15 days in jail.
He returns to his business, (foolishly) selling legal "synthetic drugs."
He gets raided again, and gets 30 days in jail, same thing, public nuisance.
He returns to business, and if is a true fool, does his research on the latest bans, and continues to sell legal substances.
He's arrested for the third time on the same charge, and he gets six months in county.
After getting out, he does his research long and hard. He fully understands what is legal and illegal.
He sells only legal products.
One day, the Police stop in, and say "hey, we consider this to be a synthetic drug!"
Guy goes to court. Judge tells him, "sir, this is the FOURTH time you've been charged with this. I feel you are not learning your lesson here. I hereby sentence you to 5 years in federal prison, for selling a legal substance, as a public nuisance!"
Now look, Shroomery. Some of you may be okay with this. I, however, I am not. I do not believe the police should have the right to declare anything fully legal they choose as a "public nuisance," just because they realize that science is currently beating them in the drug war, and then arrest/jail you for it. If you feel otherwise, I'm rather surprised, and must have a distorted view as to the average shroomerite.
-------------------- see The Private Life of Plants and The Vanishing of The Honeybees. to me, both give an incredibly profound message. the first one is a series simply about plants, but plants are not simple, and it illustrates how nature works in perfect harmony. the second is about bees disappearing, and it shows how human technology is sometimes very detrimental to a number of life systems, including humans.
Quote: searching said: This will never hold up in court. How can the stores know what not to sell if it's not illegal?
exactly. i kinda feel the same way. i imagine that's partially why i get so impassioned, when i see the sheer audacity of such bills.
-------------------- see The Private Life of Plants and The Vanishing of The Honeybees. to me, both give an incredibly profound message. the first one is a series simply about plants, but plants are not simple, and it illustrates how nature works in perfect harmony. the second is about bees disappearing, and it shows how human technology is sometimes very detrimental to a number of life systems, including humans.
Am I to assume that it is just the general consensus opinion, then, that it would never hold up in court, for extremely obvious reasons.
I guess then my question would be, why spend all the time effort on writing what sounds like it will be a fairly extensive bill, knowing it will not hold up in court. If whoever is pushing for this, and spending all this time/money work in order to get it pushed through, you'd think they'd have at least one person clearly explaining to them how there's no way in hell this could ever hold up. So could this just be another case of judges believing they are smarter and know what is best for society, when their ideas/plans are clearly defective, and clearly show that they would fail?
Thoughts?
Any thoughts? 395 views. I know that somebody out there, has to have some sorta thought about this issue. Go ahead, don't be shy, share. I value your opinion.
I'd love to get some sort of discussion going on this, no matter your opinion. Don't ask me why, as I'm not sure, but I find this topic truly fascinating.
-------------------- see The Private Life of Plants and The Vanishing of The Honeybees. to me, both give an incredibly profound message. the first one is a series simply about plants, but plants are not simple, and it illustrates how nature works in perfect harmony. the second is about bees disappearing, and it shows how human technology is sometimes very detrimental to a number of life systems, including humans.
It's a BILL right now that's it. Tons of bullshit ideas turn into bills then get rejected. This will not turn into a law its too ambiguous as to what they consider synthetic drugs. If they pass it then I'll be pissed because that basically does give the police the right to prosecute whoever they want for whatever they want.
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