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visonary2.0 said:
... Just wondering

Plenty of documentary's out there on this topic btw..

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me me I believe

I think you're an alien doing recon.

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visonary2.0 said:
... Just wondering

Plenty of documentary's out there on this topic btw..

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me me I believe

I think you're an alien doing recon.

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I think I was correct because some puppet just got another week attached to his ban.

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visonary2.0 said:
... Just wondering

Plenty of documentary's out there on this topic btw..

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visonary2.0 said:
Anyone here believe Aliens are responsible for religion

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Etz are responsible for a lot more then just that.

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visonary2.0 said:
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Uh, no. Read some Mircea Eliade (one of the most influential scholars in my own development), particularly The Sacred and the Profane. Generic 'man' is Homo Religiosus, according to Eliade, and I concur. The object which occurs to humans may differ, but must concur with Eliade. We have art, and artifacts, from the Lower Paleolithic period of history, like the cave-paintings in Lascaux, in southwestern France.

Mircea Eliade (Romanian: [ˈmirt͡ʃe̯a eliˈade]; March 13 [O.S. February 28] 1907 – April 22, 1986) was a Romanian historian of religion, fiction writer, philosopher, and professor at the University of Chicago. He was a leading interpreter of religious experience, who established paradigms in religious studies that persist to this day. His theory that hierophanies form the basis of religion, splitting the human experience of reality into sacred and profane space and time, has proved influential. One of his most influential contributions to religious studies was his theory of Eternal Return, which holds that myths and rituals do not simply commemorate hierophanies, but, at least to the minds of the religious, actually participate in them."

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visonary2.0 said:
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Uh, no. Read some Mircea Eliade (one of the most influential scholars in my own development), particularly The Sacred and the Profane. Generic 'man' is Homo Religiosus, according to Eliade, and I concur. The object which occurs to humans may differ, but must concur with Eliade. We have art, and artifacts, from the Lower Paleolithic period of history, like the cave-paintings in Lascaux, in southwestern France.

Mircea Eliade (Romanian: [ˈmirt͡ʃe̯a eliˈade]; March 13 [O.S. February 28] 1907 – April 22, 1986) was a Romanian historian of religion, fiction writer, philosopher, and professor at the University of Chicago. He was a leading interpreter of religious experience, who established paradigms in religious studies that persist to this day. His theory that hierophanies form the basis of religion, splitting the human experience of reality into sacred and profane space and time, has proved influential. One of his most influential contributions to religious studies was his theory of Eternal Return, which holds that myths and rituals do not simply commemorate hierophanies, but, at least to the minds of the religious, actually participate in them."

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I wouldn't put Mircea Eliade on that high of a pedestal. In the book of his that I read, he kept referring to Shamans as schizophrenics. He was operating from a very limited-belief paradigm if you ask me.

Jungs ideas of the collective noosphere make more sense to me to the genesis of religious thought. Humans have forever labeled (anthropomorphized) the unknown (mostly unconscious) aspects of consciousness. Today's aliens are yesterdays fairies, angels and demons. IMO Gnosis is assessable in any place and time to the ardent truth seeker.

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You are objecting to the usual pejorative nature of clinical language that others may use to criticize non-ordinary states, but Mircea Eliade knew full well the cultural and spiritual significance of "schizophrenia," as cultivated intentionally within a knowledge base (shamanic, yogic, or alchemical) for transcendental knowledge.

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MarkostheGnostic said:
You are objecting to the usual pejorative nature of clinical language that others may use to criticize non-ordinary states, but Mircea Eliade knew full well the cultural and spiritual significance of "schizophrenia," as cultivated intentionally within a knowledge base (shamanic, yogic, or alchemical) for transcendental knowledge.

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That definitely shed some light, and I will have to revisit Eliade now that my experiences have grown. At the time of my reading, I was very bitter to Western thought being, what I perceived to be negatively imposed, on the Shamanic paradigm. But I understand what you are saying, and in Eliade's defense I suppose he was operating within a limited language base to transmit these ideas to a Western audience.

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