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 Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045  [Re: Esekon Kelly]
#16707226 - 08/16/12 12:59 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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also, you gotta realize, the longer you have been alive, the quicker time passes in your perception.
so after you lived for 300 years, days would seem like 30 minutes to you, just zipping by in the void of time.
a centurty would be nothin but a thang
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Salomon]
#16707456 - 08/16/12 01:47 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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also, you gotta realize, the longer you have been alive, the quicker time passes in your perception.
so after you lived for 300 years, days would seem like 30 minutes to you, just zipping by in the void of time.
a centurty would be nothin but a thang
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: The_Ghost]
#16708518 - 08/16/12 10:53 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Personally I think its a pipe dream and that this technology wont be available to 2100.
But lets assume.
Think about hasving an avatar comprised of nanobots. You'd be like the liquid cop from Terminator 2.
If you get hit by a car your parts reassemble and there you are again. You would morph your outer layer into clothes. If you want to sit down you morph a stool on your butt. If you are happy to see a friend again you can hug him with as many arms you want 
If you make love you can merge bodies and interconnect your minds directly, truly becoming as one.
You can choose to merge with another being or separate out objects from your body, for instance you could solidift nanobots inside you to a hammer, give it to someone and after use assimilate it again.
You could morph into a Pterodactyl and fly off. If you have a human friend who is tired,, you can moroh your body into a bench for her to rest on while you keep your head intact on the bench next to her to carry on the conversation.
If your nanobots are powered by lets say decay of tritium to helium 3, then you would need no food or air, just upgrade your bots every decade or so. You could walk across the atlantic over the bottom of the ocean withoput resting or breathing, or morph into a ship and sail across, potentially with passengers.
You can add and subtracts many pounds of bot to aid in your morphing.
Think about it. This isnt just about being able to enjoy life longer, this is really wild. They would become our overlords or replace us.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708566 - 08/16/12 11:08 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Personally I think that baseline humans or ones who don't opt for extreme upgrades will still be around for quite sometime. The Amish and Mennonites will still live as they always have in the year 2100.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708577 - 08/16/12 11:11 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Im thinking about the transition and I think they will do it like this:
They put you in a coma, or just your brain in a jar, and infuse it with an IV of nutrients, red blood cells and nanobots.
The nanobots will then gradually adhere to tissues, assess their function, copy the function and turn the organic tissue into waste to be carried off by the nanoblood. This way gradually your entire CNS is replaced by nanobots the brain is normally replenished by nutrients to renew the tissues. That way the nanobrain is the inheritor of your code like your renewed tissues are, and the You that is You carries over along with them, whether the "soul" is software, hardware or both.
So basically when you die they put you on life support, or you go to the hospital and put in a drug coma, and in either case you wake up again as a you that is based on silicon, not carbon. This way you can copy an organism WITHOUT handling the data centrally, you just indiscriminately find & replace with a zillion simple bots until the transition is complete, then the nanobot orgnism can produce a data plug and send the code ofd its own structure for storage.
Guys, I'm thinking this technonogy will be FREE, something you can opt for like being an organ donor. Think about it: They supply a basic hospital stay and a few buckets of cheap mass produced nanobots, they in return get a transcript of the code of not just your DNA but also youl life experiences, to use into some sort of centralized super database.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708587 - 08/16/12 11:14 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Man I really hope Im around for when all this really gets going.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16708618 - 08/16/12 11:20 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Man I really hope Im around for when all this really gets going.
You reincarnate infinitely into every possible life. No human experience will escape you, if such an organism can be built off a human, this will happen tro you, over and over.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708622 - 08/16/12 11:21 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Man I really hope Im around for when all this really gets going.
You reincarnate infinitely into every possible life. No human experience will escape you, if such an organism can be built off a human, this will happen tro you, over and over.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708663 - 08/16/12 11:34 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Fuck that. We're supposed to die.
We're SUPPOSED to have the option to die, which we'll still have. Prohibiting other people that want to keep living from doing so just because YOU have some personal reservations about immortality is ridiculous. This argument always cracks me up because taken to its logical extreme it means that we shouldn't be pursuing ANY medical advances that prolong life or improve its quality. Naturally in a world without any medical advances most of us would die at the ripe old age of 30 or 40. Immortality is simply the next logical step in prolonging life.
You misunderstand me. My post was directed at my thoughts on the matter. I have no desire to prohibit others from taking that path, nor would I if it was up to me; I merely meant that I would not personally chose immortality.
However, we are supposed to die eventually; that's just how it is. We'd have to sterilize the population if we had immortality due to the fact that this planet can only sustain so many individuals, and has only so many resources. We don't have the technology to colonize other planets right now, so at the moment that's not an option.
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Fuck that. We're supposed to die. Death is as much a part of life as life itself. Whatever lies over that horizon, I welcome it when the time is right.
How about RIGHT NOW?
Ah, I didnt think so. I can tell you that many people who are dying RIGHT NOW are convinced its not the right time and the families gatered around their bed fully agree.
If right now is the time, then so be it. I don't feel as though I'm done here, but if I am then I am. I'm not going to argue the fact. I don't have fear of death, nor do I truy believe it's the end.
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Try stopping with breathing and watch your bodymind starting an epic revolution to convince you otherwise in less than two minutes.
Been there, done that, not intentionally. That experience was enough to convince me that there is a right time to go, and now is not it. I have things to do first. At the time I was disappointed that I had to come back, but I didn't have a choice in the matter. Now I'm happy to be here, but as I said; when the time comes I'll welcome it.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16708905 - 08/16/12 12:42 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Im thinking about the transition and I think they will do it like this:
They put you in a coma, or just your brain in a jar, and infuse it with an IV of nutrients, red blood cells and nanobots.
The nanobots will then gradually adhere to tissues, assess their function, copy the function and turn the organic tissue into waste to be carried off by the nanoblood. This way gradually your entire CNS is replaced by nanobots the brain is normally replenished by nutrients to renew the tissues. That way the nanobrain is the inheritor of your code like your renewed tissues are, and the You that is You carries over along with them, whether the "soul" is software, hardware or both.
So basically when you die they put you on life support, or you go to the hospital and put in a drug coma, and in either case you wake up again as a you that is based on silicon, not carbon. This way you can copy an organism WITHOUT handling the data centrally, you just indiscriminately find & replace with a zillion simple bots until the transition is complete, then the nanobot orgnism can produce a data plug and send the code ofd its own structure for storage.
Guys, I'm thinking this technonogy will be FREE, something you can opt for like being an organ donor. Think about it: They supply a basic hospital stay and a few buckets of cheap mass produced nanobots, they in return get a transcript of the code of not just your DNA but also youl life experiences, to use into some sort of centralized super database.
 We can't even stop ourselves from destroying the rainforest which productes atleast 15% of our oxygen. IMHO humans will fuck things up and die off before we reach this level. Stephen Hawking says we have about a 50% chance of survival from global warming.
With great technology comes great responsibility. Law enforcement would get a hardon reading about the possibilities of nano bots
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: i like cow poo]
#16708924 - 08/16/12 12:49 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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We can't even stop ourselves from destroying the rainforest which productes atleast 15% of our oxygen. IMHO humans will fuck things up and die off before we reach this level. Stephen Hawking says we have about a 50% chance of survival from global warming.
With great technology comes great responsibility. Law enforcement would get a hardon reading about the possibilities of nano bots
Exactly. Knowing how to use immortality is a great thing from a perspective of biological understanding. How that's used exactly could determine our ultimate fate. It's funny how we think we're so above and beyond nature, yet there were many great species that died before we did.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: JacksonMetaller] 1
#16709236 - 08/16/12 02:02 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Biomech seems like a more plausible way of increasing lifespan.
Immortality by 2045 is like valuating a start up company in the billions without any sells.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: vladtepes]
#16709336 - 08/16/12 02:26 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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dying people might be desperate enough to kill oligarchs to have a piece of the pie that will surly be reserved for the elite.
if the pie is that nice, couldn't they simply make it themselves instead of resorting to killing people? jeez, that's obvious dude, no need to get all violent.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Abuse]
#16709363 - 08/16/12 02:32 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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What the fuck, damn russians. They were transplanting monkey heads onto new monkey bodies to see if they would survive/retain conciousness back in the 70s so they could have a bunch of human ape body guerilla muthafuckers for their army, now they are making CYBORGPeople wtf I wanna go back in time this shit is scary
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Brain Fart]
#16710458 - 08/16/12 05:52 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Exactly dude. Hate to say it but humans can be very fucked up creatures. Immortality ain't going to be a walk in the park me thinks
Hate to shit on everyone parade but popular science said flying cars would be in everyones garage by 2000. I DONT SEE ANY FUCKING FLYING CARS IN MASS PRODUCTION
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: i like cow poo]
#16710834 - 08/16/12 09:15 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Exactly dude. Hate to say it but humans can be very fucked up creatures. Immortality ain't going to be a walk in the park me thinks
Hate to shit on everyone parade but popular science said flying cars would be in everyones garage by 2000. I DONT SEE ANY FUCKING FLYING CARS IN MASS PRODUCTION
A lot of the fucked up shit we do comes from fear of death-- either from a misguided theory about the afterlife or from the nagging fear that death will cut our plans short.
I like to think that postponing death indefinitely will result in a drastic change of behavior on the part of the ruling oligarchs.
Who knows though, they might actually just be a bunch of psychopaths.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: i like cow poo]
#16714152 - 08/17/12 12:36 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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i like cow poo said:
Hate to shit on everyone parade but popular science said flying cars would be in everyones garage by 2000. I DONT SEE ANY FUCKING FLYING CARS IN MASS PRODUCTION
I for one am pretty disappointed about that. I wanted a lightsaber by now too dammit! 
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Dark_Star]
#16714209 - 08/17/12 12:50 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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They have flying cars now problem is quite frankly they suck as a car and a plane. Flying cars are cool no doubt but there are many other fields that deserve more attention and research.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#16714222 - 08/17/12 12:55 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Am I the only one who thinks that this is a monumental waste of time and energy? I don't think people realise the reason WHY are lives are finite. Because its not in our interest for them to be infinite, or even radically prolonged. You get jaded. Bored. There is only so much to do on planet Earth.
Eventually you would have seen and experienced everything this planet has to offer. Even if you were able to keep a 20 year old body the whole time, my guess is less than 100 years down the line your going to find life EXTREMLEY monotonous, predictable and boring. Better off trying to enhance the quality of our lives rather than the quantiy. Just imo.
EDIT: I think the only way you would be able to enjoy 500+ years is if you had a brain to accomodate. IE, theres a reason flies only live a day and we live decades. Do you think a fly would want to live for a year? Probably not, it lacks the brain capacity to actually take advantage of that amount of time. The only creatures that would continue to enjoy and find new things to stimulate them over hundreds of years, will be super advanced creatures that live that long naturally. Everything happens and occurs for a reason.
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Re: Human immortality could be possible by 2045 [Re: Krackatus]
#16714231 - 08/17/12 12:59 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Am I the only one who thinks that this is a monumental waste of time and energy? I don't think people realise the reason WHY are lives are finite. Because its not in our interest for them to be infinite, or even radically prolonged. You get jaded. Bored. There is only so much to do on planet Earth.
Eventually you would have seen and experienced everything this planet has to offer. Even if you were able to keep a 20 year old body the whole time, my guess is less than 100 years down the line your going to find life EXTREMLEY monotonous, predictable and boring. Better off trying to enhance the quality of our lives rather than the quantiy. Just imo.
I am sorry you think that if I could live much longer I don't believe that life would be boring or monotanus I would use it as an opportunity to learn and explore. I also wouldn't have to worry about the in convince of dying.
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