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Bawks said:
Immortality would allow us to advance faster rather than having to reteach
things to new humans. If you want the human population to quit wrecking the
world, then you should be in favor of immortality

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Bawks said:
Immortality would allow us to advance faster rather than having to reteach
things to new humans. If you want the human population to quit wrecking the
world, then you should be in favor of immortality (because I doubt you'll
get the higher ups to be in favor of killing off the human population).

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Salomon said:
i would do it. be transfered into an avitar.

because for one, i have a very realistic chance of dying in the process of transference.


for two, i would like to be able to outperform my current human body,

for three i'd like to not have a need for pain,



for four, there's always the option of dying, all it takes is an irreversible scrambling of the code that represents your conscniousness, like melting a CPU with thermite.


the things i would be afraid of are being reproduced, being copied and forced to live after i destroy my original CPU, being aware forever....





but hey, atleast i'd be able to sustainably live in outter space, and ride the energy oulses of the universe.

atleast this would work , it we were able to bypass the need to physical representation of data. because i would become a being of hyperspace, pure conscnious energy. which is what i want.


although we're way more than 50 years away from that capability, living artifically through electronic, non organic means is essential to getting there.






and another thing i'm realizing is that you could potentially be transfered into a CPU style of living, and be dormant, like a flashdrive for centuries.


and be plugged into the matrix at a later time, existing as binary. with time passing as if it were non existant....




the problems with this are the potential for atrocity are high due to the malicious nature of humans. so i would never be able to trust that i'd be kept intact, or used for evil purposes or whathaveyou.

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vladtepes said:
Immortality would have to allow us to live on some other kind of energy. Radiant energy, or super high efficiency solar cells coupled with super highly efficient electronics. Resources would not be a problem even now if we were not greedy wasteful gluttons. If we were immortal cyborgs we would likely move to space. I think it would create more of an incentive to start a civil war also, dying people might be desperate enough to kill oligarchs to have a piece of the pie that will surly be reserved for the elite.

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vladtepes said:
Immortality would have to allow us to live on some other kind of energy. Radiant energy, or super high efficiency solar cells coupled with super highly efficient electronics. Resources would not be a problem even now if we were not greedy wasteful gluttons. If we were immortal cyborgs we would likely move to space. I think it would create more of an incentive to start a civil war also, dying people might be desperate enough to kill oligarchs to have a piece of the pie that will surly be reserved for the elite.

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It would actually promote space travel-- you can just switch yourself off for long voyages. You'd get to Mars, Europa, or Alpha Centauri in the blink of an eye.

Also, we need to get on that fucking space bandwagon regardless, build orbiting stations that can beam the energy gathered from unfiltered solar rays down to the earth as microwave. Energy crisis: solved. Why isn't somebody fucking doing it yet?

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They would rather spend money on the military and welfare.

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Salomon said:
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Is this not the very principle behind being uploaded into an avatar?  You copy yourself from the biological human brain (a form of central processing unit) into a cybernetic machine processor.
As the composite materials degrade over time, from running for continual periods, you would either need to again copy yourself into a new physical CPU or do some sort of potentially risky upkeep on the existing hardware.
On a long enough time span we may argue biological humans and early uploads as being obsolete with technological advance.

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vladtepes said:
Immortality would have to allow us to live on some other kind of energy. Radiant energy, or super high efficiency solar cells coupled with super highly efficient electronics. Resources would not be a problem even now if we were not greedy wasteful gluttons. If we were immortal cyborgs we would likely move to space. I think it would create more of an incentive to start a civil war also, dying people might be desperate enough to kill oligarchs to have a piece of the pie that will surly be reserved for the elite.

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It would actually promote space travel-- you can just switch yourself off for long voyages. You'd get to Mars, Europa, or Alpha Centauri in the blink of an eye.

Also, we need to get on that fucking space bandwagon regardless, build orbiting stations that can beam the energy gathered from unfiltered solar rays down to the earth as microwave. Energy crisis: solved. Why isn't somebody fucking doing it yet?

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Simply make them aware of how effectively this idea could be utilized to vaporize hostile nations and watch the arms race.

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DivineIntensity said:
I doubt the artificial copy would actually be you, in the same way genetically identical twins do not share the same consciousness. It would merely be a copy of you, not you.

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Well obviously. Same way you arent the person you were a month ago or yesterday, or before you had breakfast today... It would be a very close copy through, containing the sum of your memories and experiences. From that point on you would keep changing and growing just like you would as a biological human.

Naturally the question of non-physical consciousness or a 'soul' comes into play. Which i do believe in. But i think quantum theory has taught us enough to deduct that that data would tie into the physical plane based on the dominant sum of quantum relationships. My Nodeism theory of everything backs this up as well (see sig). It would have to be a one way transfer of data tho, with the old bodily vessel having to be destroyed in the process, to sever the quantum connections.

I believe this exact process  happens in a more drawn out scale when we die and are reborn in a new body. Until we can either sever the connection willfully through spiritual ascension, or through technology.

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DivineIntensity said:
Uh, I don't think that's quite the same. I'd venture to say it would be a different person/thing altogether just with the sum of your memories/experiences, kind of similar to a clone. It's genetically the same but the consciousness is different.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself clearly, I can't quite think of a good analogy to explain what I'm trying to convey.

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