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 Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel 
#16682507 - 08/11/12 04:42 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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http://www.policymic.com/articles/12525/obama-s-watergate-top-drug-trafficker-claims-fast-and-furious-was-a-doj-deal-to-take-down-rival-cartels
Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious Was a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartels
A new development could renew interest in the already mysterious Fast and Furious gun-walking operation that ultimately led to the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody is making startling allegations that the failed federal operation wasn’t about tracking guns, it was about supplying them — all part of an elaborate agreement between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.
Jason Howerton at The Blaze reports Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, known as the Sinaloa Cartel’s logistics coordinator, claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, “the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border as long as the intel kept coming.”
Charged with cocaine and heroin trafficking, Zambada is claiming he was an informant for the DEA, and was given immunity from prosecution at the top level of government. If proven in court, such an agreement between U.S. law enforcement agencies and a top Mexican drug cartel could potentially mar both the Bush and Obama administrations. But the federal government is denying all of Zambada’s allegations and contend that no official immunity deal was agreed upon.
Zambada claims the agreement was “known and approved” by the Justice Department and is seeking to have all charges tossed arguing he took over the role of “primary liaison on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel with the United States government,” according to Reuters.
Based on the alleged agreement, “the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and Joaquin ‘El Chapo’ Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,” states a motion for discovery filed in U.S. District Court by Zambada’s attorney in July 2011.
Zambada is currently confined to a cell in the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Chicago awaiting trial that’s been delayed but now scheduled to start on Oct. 9.
A source in Congress, who spoke to The Blaze on the condition of anonymity, said that some top congressional investigators have been keeping “one eye on the case.” Another two members of Congress, both lead Fast and Furious Congressional investigators, told The Blaze they had not heard this story yet.
One of the Congressmen, who also spoke to The Blaze on the condition of anonymity because criminal proceedings are still ongoing, called the allegations “disturbing.” He said Congress will likely get involved once Zambada’s trial has concluded if any compelling information surfaces.
“Congress won’t get involved in really any criminal case until the trial is over and the smoke has cleared,” he added. “If the allegations prove to hold any truth, there will be some serious legal ramifications.”
The trial won’t conclude nearly in time before the election. Once it’s over, congressional investigators will then have to determine if there is sufficient evidence to warrant any further action against Attorney General Eric Holder.
President Barack Obama has already stopped the federal investigation into Fast and Furious dead in its tracks by exercising “executive privilege” to prevent Holder from having to hand over internal Justice Department documents on the allegedly botched operation. Holder, of course, has publicly denied that he had any knowledge of the operation prior to Terry’s death. And while the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt of Congress, that’s as far as it went once Obama stepped in.
If what Zambada is saying holds truth, and can be proven in court, Holder will then be caught having lied about denying any knowledge of Fast and Furious. The whole scandal is an episode that’s playing out eerily similar to the way the infamous Watergate scandal plagued the Nixon administration of the 1970s (only this scandal involves a death). The Bush administration would also share some responsibility for this as it was started under its tenure.
Then of course, there could also be the possibility that Zambata is saying whatever it takes to strike a plea deal or reduce his sentence before the trial begins.
Whatever comes of this new allegation will all depend on what evidence Zambata can provide and what can be proven in court. No one can jump to conclusions until Zambata offers something more concrete.
Still, should be interesting to follow in the coming months.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: dwpineal]
#16682526 - 08/11/12 04:47 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Wouldn't be surprised at all if this was true.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: kenny57028] 2
#16682609 - 08/11/12 05:03 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised if it gets swept under the rug and everyone forgets in a matter of months, but I remain hopeful that will not happen.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16682766 - 08/11/12 05:35 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Can anyone say iran contra affair? This is absolutely freaking ridiculous.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16682774 - 08/11/12 05:37 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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kenny57028 said:
Wouldn't be surprised at all if this was true.
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SWEDEN said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets swept under the rug and everyone forgets in a matter of months, but I remain hopeful that will not happen.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: Rexter]
#16682990 - 08/11/12 06:26 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Then of course, there could also be the possibility that Zambata is saying whatever it takes to strike a plea deal or reduce his sentence before the trial begins.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: kenny57028]
#16683032 - 08/11/12 06:36 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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of course its true, the u.s obviously works in conjunction with the cartels. its all part of the money making process for the drug war
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: biggysmall]
#16683341 - 08/11/12 07:43 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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i would assume he would've "accidentally died" or been "assasinated by rival cartels" long ago if the above information is true. then again, who knows?
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: screamphilling]
#16683352 - 08/11/12 07:46 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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I think Americans have overconfidence in our government. I don't give think they can stop the cartels. They suck at keeping secrets. I think this could be true, but I don't think they are even trying to st them. They are working with them as of they are heads of state because they run shit. Just another shady ally.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: joshisstoned]
#16683591 - 08/11/12 08:51 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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of course.
it's a perpetual money machine.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: piracetam]
#16684344 - 08/11/12 11:25 PM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Lol @ being like Watergate. Not even in the same league, shit like this (assuming its true) happens every year I'm sure. Especially considering it was in the name of breaking cartels that kill thousands of people every year. Was the torture in Guantanamo like Watergate? Not at all, we are a "ends justify the means" kind of country
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: bloodsheen]
#16684828 - 08/12/12 12:53 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Lol no the ends are not good intentions. You think they care about caretel killings?
The name of the games is control, power, money - that comes from arms and drugs control. The wests biggests businesses since forever.
Sugar coat it all you like but it comes down to the basic human desires, dominance and greed. Not some humanitarian mission to help less people get shot lmao.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: nice1]
#16685639 - 08/12/12 03:51 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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Dominance and greed haven't been shown to be basic human desires. Your cynicism is understandable because pop culture conditions us to believe it is true. Recently discovered archaeological troves have revealed ancient societies that were not warlike but matriarchal in structure, and had little need for weapons of war. In other words, nurture may steer the direction of civilization to a greater extent than nature.
I believe it is a result of a society plagued by outside corrupt influences that masquerade as good-intentioned individuals. I'm sure you're aware that psychopaths are adept at mimicking the emotions and behavior of a person with a conscience. Combine this with their predatory will to power and the accumulation of material wealth, and it's easy to see why they would seek positions in government and high finance.
They can be tricked into revealing their true nature, because no matter how clever they may be, they can never honestly express positive emotions. They are the cause of our ills, not some inherent evil built into humanity.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16685854 - 08/12/12 05:17 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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I do agree with you accept dominance and greed are part of all animal instincts and human is no exception. That doesn't mean we don't have a choice but theres a hierarchy and the most dominant rules it and when they rule it they can have what they want and fulfill their greed. Thats how our society is structured. Its how primate society is structured too. The most dominant monkey (most violent) will mate with the most and fittest females and will eat first and eat the most of the share of food.
Thats why in truth, the human hierarchy is ruled by the guns, money and drugs because like the monkies these represent our dominance and greed and these traits in the majority over ride being nice to one another. Simply put - most people would rather be the top dog, with all the peanuts and mating the fittest females than be friendly or moral and share that.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: nice1]
#16685891 - 08/12/12 05:31 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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We can and have risen above that. You have to believe we are capable of it or we are fucked.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16685945 - 08/12/12 06:04 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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It's not like no one knows whats going on.
Its easy to do this shit, all you have to do is not write anything down.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: aiyobro]
#16685982 - 08/12/12 06:22 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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It's true.
The trick is getting everyone to do it at the same moment.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16686862 - 08/12/12 12:39 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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SWEDEN said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets swept under the rug and everyone forgets in a matter of months, but I remain hopeful that will not happen.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: SWEDEN]
#16687114 - 08/12/12 01:51 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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SWEDEN said:
Combine this with their predatory will to power...
Way to carelessly misunderstand Nietzsche.
This article is just as irresponsible, though nobody seems to be able to determine just wth is going on. I think the president is trying to cover his ass, but this isn't like Watergate. ATF were directly responsible for this fiasco.
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Re: Obama's Watergate: Top Drug Trafficker Claims Fast and Furious, a DOJ Deal To Take Down Rival Cartel [Re: pbrane]
#16687140 - 08/12/12 01:58 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Could you explain why you think I misunderstand a dead philosopher not previously mentioned ITT?
Besides, philosophy is open to interpretation. We even have a forum for it.
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