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 NizzyJones
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 Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom?  [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#16676407 - 08/10/12 02:40 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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NizzyJones said:
Yeah, erowid confirms dependency is an issue for sustained heavy use: http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_basics.shtml
Nearly ANY substance used regularly will create a discomfort upon reduction of said substance found in brain...
Not arguing simply stating fact.
And opioid withdrawal is gonna suck regardless of the source of the opioids, not sure why everyone was so surprised to hear that 
/Note that the poster above didn't imply that the severity of the withdrawal was similar to heroin, just the set of symptoms, there's no reason to be bagging on the kid.
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Almond Flour
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: NizzyJones]
#16676456 - 08/10/12 02:53 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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You kidiots need to calm down  There have been articles here on the shroomery, stating the same thing I have said in regards to severe kratom withdrawl. I'm not gonna go fishing for them as I don't give a shit. Why you scrubs are getting sooooo worked up over something that HAS been proven not only by science, but by the people who use it is beyond me. Why the fuck do you think it's illegal in its country of origin.....for FuN??? 
Just because you children are threatened by you precious drug getting scheduled is no reason to get ass hurt by a simple comment I made. And no.....kratom withdrawl is not on par with that of caffiene. If you can honestly compare opiate withdrawl to that of a 2 day caffiene headace I suggest you get off the Internet, and start living in the real world. Why the fuck do you think it's even on the governments radar?? I'll tell you why because people have been rushing to hospitals after abusing the shit out of it with the same mindset that you hold....
Have a Nice time riding the  back to the Wikipedia articles, and google searches that supply you with your....FACTS 
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King Klick
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: Almond Flour]
#16676548 - 08/10/12 03:09 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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The fuck? Alright i'm gonna buy some kratom now. 
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aperson444
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: King Klick]
#16677359 - 08/10/12 05:53 PM (10 months, 2 days ago) |
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Why the fuck do you think it's illegal in its country of origin.....for FuN???
Politics. Read the article. It was a move against the opium using populace of Thailand.
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And no.....kratom withdrawl is not on par with that of caffiene. If you can honestly compare opiate withdrawl to that of a 2 day caffiene headace I suggest you get off the Internet, and start living in the real world.
You've obviously never been through severe caffeine withdrawals. It can get really bad, sometimes to the point of suicide. You've also obviously never been through more severe withdrawals. Pharmacologically, mitragynine and related alkaloids are more diverse in their binding affinity to opioid receptors relative to heroin or morphinan alkaloids.
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proven not only by science, but by the people who use it is beyond me.
You can't prove anything, not even gravity, according to the scientific method. You can only support things with empirical evidence. Furthermore, I cannot find any solid literature which suggests what you're saying.
Now go fuck yourself.
On a more technical note, one should realize that any opioid agonist does hold the potential of dependence; the mu-opioid receptor just works that way. The key is the degree of dependence that is spurred. Heroin and morphine (classic mu-opioid agonists) are very focused and very good ligands for the mu-opioid receptor. In addition, they are taken in pure form (except opium from opium alkaloids; opium, by the way is far more concentrated than simple kratom leaf, which has ~0.25% mitragynine). Dependence will occur with heavy, sustained use, but not to the degree of heroin or other opioids.
I know for certain that people have used kratom to treat opioid dependency with moderate success.
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 BoomerMan420
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: aperson444]
#18014615 - 03/26/13 05:43 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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seems like kratom is banned at the moment from exporting out of indonesia vendors are not selling kilos anymore shit is fucked. Not getting replies from vendors on how much a kilo would go for. better bulk up I think kratom is almost gone, and I have no where to bulk up FML!!!!!!!
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durian_2008
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: BoomerMan420]
#18014677 - 03/26/13 05:54 PM (2 months, 22 days ago) |
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That govt allegedly profited from market controls over opium.
Kratom is a substitute and possible cure for withdrawal.
If effects are noticeable, without using strong concentrates, noone should consider it surprising that prolonged, heavy use comes with side effects.
I have used the plant and don't personally consider this an offensive statement.
But, if we were not financially accountable to one another by law, the downfall of the individual would create no measurable expense for society at large. Prohibition is a side effect of the social safety nets, which we assume to be civilization.
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codemiester2006
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: durian_2008]
#18295000 - 05/20/13 11:20 PM (29 days, 16 hours ago) |
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Just some info for those interested. There was no "ban" on kratom export from indonesia. There was some bribing of officials in indo customs to limit the export since then it has been dealt with and things are back to normal now. As for the "ban" I had no problem getting kilo from indo supplier during the "ban".
Kratom withdrawls are nothing like heroin there is some runny nose and some agitation after a few years of almost daily use (never went through heroin wd's but I can read) there is indeed a slander campaign more than likely from the pharm. industry. There have been multiple "reports" on various "news" outlets that claim kratom is smoked etc etc... and recently been shown in the movie Burt Wonderstone as a drug that makes you incoherent etc... the defamation is clear.
kratom eases my anxieties and makes me more productive as well as more creative. Figured I would throw that out there as I am actively supporting the fight to keep it legal at least in my state.
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durian_2008
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I believe that you're talking about reasonable moderation.
If someone were to take abusive doses, on a regular basis, I would tend to think that propaganda was true.
Call me elitist, but I worry that the kind of people from the old, Walmart Bingo gag would ruin it for the more-responsible ones.
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codemiester2006
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: durian_2008]
#18310363 - 05/23/13 07:08 PM (26 days, 21 hours ago) |
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indeed well I do not really think there is a way to abuse kratom... it is self limiting, to me at least, if I take to much I just get a head ache and get grumpy no real benefits. Those who wait a long time between doses can get stronger effects but even those are limited. I am a daily user but it has many benefits to me personally but I guess people are different.
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Sham87
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: 5-HT2A]
#18310425 - 05/23/13 07:22 PM (26 days, 20 hours ago) |
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durian_2008
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: Sham87]
#18315104 - 05/24/13 06:03 PM (25 days, 22 hours ago) |
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I was supposed to bbq on chilly day with a bad headache, but a small dose had me feeling nostalgic and quite capable. To think that this grows on a tree is story-book-like to me.
Tee-totaler, here.
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TheBoomking
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: durian_2008]
#18332609 - 05/28/13 11:53 AM (22 days, 4 hours ago) |
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Hey sorry to ask a dumb question but is kratom actually illegal or theyre just trying to make it? I dont have time at the moment to do some research - on my way out the door - but I am very interested in trying to get some for my friends who have been struggling with opiate addictions for years and keep going to methadone clinics and suboxone doctors... kratom sounds like a good alternative
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Re: Now They're Trying to Ban... Kratom? [Re: TheBoomking]
#18332887 - 05/28/13 01:28 PM (22 days, 2 hours ago) |
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