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 Learyfan
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 Should we privatize the police? 
#16661130 - 08/07/12 05:05 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Conservatives. You hate socialist policies. Should we privatize the police? Why not? Why should you pay your hard earned money to save some 8 year old girl from being raped? Her low-life, leaches for parents should have worked harder to afford that protection, right?
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 Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661218 - 08/07/12 05:21 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think you'll find (stupid question not withstanding) that many, if not most, conservatives find police to be a valid use of their tax dollars.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661220 - 08/07/12 05:21 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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As a libertarian, I would like the government to control the military and police, not only for protection, but for the enforcement of mutually agreed upon contracts.
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Learyfan
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luvdemshrooms said:
I think you'll find (stupid question not withstanding) that many, if not most, conservatives find police to be a valid use of their tax dollars.
Why? It's a socialist policy. You pay your hard earned tax money to protect some free loader. Why shouldn't we have to pay for police insurance?
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661278 - 08/07/12 05:33 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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What the fuck is the point of government without police and military?
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Memories]
#16661327 - 08/07/12 05:42 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Memories said:
What the fuck is the point of government without police and military?
Exactly. I just don't see the difference between you paying your hard earned money to protect someone else in a criminal situation and you paying your hard earned money to protect someone else in a health situation. Why do you believe in socialized police and not socialized medicine?
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661353 - 08/07/12 05:47 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Because socialized medicine is shitty and unsustainable.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661370 - 08/07/12 05:49 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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To put it bluntly, I don't give a fuck if someone else has health insurance. They being sick does not affect me.
However, some criminal running around causing mayhem could have a huge effect on my life.
The police are there to protect me (I know, not really). I already have enough cash to cover my health expenses.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Memories]
#16661372 - 08/07/12 05:50 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Memories said:
Because socialized medicine is shitty and unsustainable.
I'll bet privatized police protection would make the socialized police protection that we now enjoy seem shitty and unsustainable. And think of all the satisfaction you'd get just knowing that someone else's life isn't being improved on your dime.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661389 - 08/07/12 05:52 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Police and military are easily sustainable with low taxes. Also, police work is something that benefits from total integration. This is more easily achieved with a monopoly.
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Anyone notice this?"
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Memories] 1
#16661409 - 08/07/12 05:55 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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 Socialist.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661420 - 08/07/12 05:56 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Nice argument.
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Anyone notice this?"
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Memories]
#16661760 - 08/07/12 06:55 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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This idiocy pops up every now and then. Some troll posits that anything not total anarchy is socialism and demands that conservatives or libertarians explain themselves. Which is prima facie absurd.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661828 - 08/07/12 07:07 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Learyfan said:
Conservatives. You hate socialist policies. Should we privatize the police? Why not? Why should you pay your hard earned money to save some 8 year old girl from being raped? Her low-life, leaches for parents should have worked harder to afford that protection, right?
Why would a conservative hate socialist policies? Not everyone who likes small government wants no government.
As for your scenario, you fail to tie it into any plausible situation. How are police preventing eight year olds from being raped anyways?
Further, your disgusting equation of a person's financial status with their worth is absurd- pretty much nobody except zappa says stupid shit like that. The point of small government is you have the freedom to be be a lazy deadbeat just as much as you do to be an entreupeneur. If you want to stay at home all day and smoke pot- fine. Nobody's going to take your food away or put you in a labor camp to 'pay your way'.
But ignoring your absurd premises, yes, you should have to pay your hard earned money to save some 8 year old girl from being raped. At the most basic role of government is the enforcement of an individual's rights- if you don't believe in this your essentially an anarchist. Thinking government shouldn't pursue extraneous social engineering products is not obviously reducible to thinking government should do anything.
Personally, a big part of my growing conservatism was for the sake of children and the oppressed- government is often facilitating such. It certainly was in my childhood. Hopefully one day children will have some rights and government won't facilitate abuse.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Learyfan]
#16661834 - 08/07/12 07:09 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Memories said:
What the fuck is the point of government without police and military?
Exactly. I just don't see the difference between you paying your hard earned money to protect someone else in a criminal situation and you paying your hard earned money to protect someone else in a health situation. Why do you believe in socialized police and not socialized medicine?
Because you have a right to your body and property but you don't have a right to have men with guns force other people to give you products and services? As such, if you accept a role for government at all, you reach the former before the later. As I see no neccessary connection between the two, I reject the later.
This whole post seems to be premised on some unjustified presumptions.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: johnm214] 1
#16662675 - 08/07/12 09:30 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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But ignoring your absurd premises, yes, you should have to pay your hard earned money to save some 8 year old girl from being raped. At the most basic role of government is the enforcement of an individual's rights- if you don't believe in this your essentially an anarchist. Thinking government shouldn't pursue extraneous social engineering products is not obviously reducible to thinking government should do anything.
How do you feel about socialized medicine? Is health not a basic individual right? It is in my mind. If you are sick, whether or not you survive shouldn't depend on the amount of money that you have. Just as whether or not you get protection from crime shouldn't depend on the amount of money you have.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: Memories] 1
#16662769 - 08/07/12 09:40 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Because socialized medicine is shitty and unsustainable.
I beg to differ. What evidence do you have of this?
If anything, I would argue that privatized medicine is shitty and unsustainable, especially the US system. The US spends the most per capita, by far, on health care and ranks woefully on some key indicators of health (life expectancy, infant death rate, overall health, etc.). France on the other hand is 4th in the world in spending on health care, and ranks first overall according to the WHO.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: BoldAsLove]
#16662834 - 08/07/12 09:47 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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But ignoring your absurd premises, yes, you should have to pay your hard earned money to save some 8 year old girl from being raped. At the most basic role of government is the enforcement of an individual's rights- if you don't believe in this your essentially an anarchist. Thinking government shouldn't pursue extraneous social engineering products is not obviously reducible to thinking government should do anything.
How do you feel about socialized medicine? Is health not a basic individual right?
Aside from the fact that health is absolutely not a legally granted righted, neither is health care. Quote:
It is in my mind. If you are sick, whether or not you survive shouldn't depend on the amount of money that you have.
OK. I'll pay for your health care if you agree to never take drugs, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee, drink alcohol and keep your BMI at a state mandated level. I'm sure I can eventually think of more things that will destroy your freedom. Quote:
Just as whether or not you get protection from crime shouldn't depend on the amount of money you have.
Bullshit, they are not the same thing.
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Re: Should we privatize the police? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#16663671 - 08/08/12 01:20 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Aside from the fact that health is absolutely not a legally granted righted, neither is health care.
Perhaps not in this country, however I see things a little differently. I'd like to live in a country where if someone gets sick, they get help. Regardless of how much money they have. One life isn't worth more than another.
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OK. I'll pay for your health care if you agree to never take drugs, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee, drink alcohol and keep your BMI at a state mandated level. I'm sure I can eventually think of more things that will destroy your freedom.
Can I get you to sign a legally binding contract that says as much? 
I'm about as healthy as they come, and I take great strides to watch my health. Still, that doesn't protect me at all from unforeseeable disasters. Being a poor college student, I wouldn't be able to afford to get health care should anything happen to me. But that's where you come in, right? 
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Bullshit, they are not the same thing
Why? Bunches of free loaders who don't pay taxes still call on the police for protection. Same with firefighters. Why is that not a problem if people getting free health care is?
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I think you'll find (stupid question not withstanding) that many, if not most, conservatives find police to be a valid use of their tax dollars.
just maybe. Not quite sure
I'd love a world without police
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