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 Raven Gnosis
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 We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world.   1
#16649551 - 08/05/12 09:58 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Meaning is something we as humans must find and assign that exists nowhere but within ourselves.
There is nothing more than what is. What is is void of our human conceptualizations. There is no wrong, no right, nothing is o.k. because o.k. does not exist. This world is void of me, because I am no different than this world.
"I" come from nothing but the left hemisphere of my brain. It is a pleasure to meet you.
From birth, I was told I was my name, my gender, my nationality... These are all convenient ways for us as humans to fool and transform ourselves and eachother into thinking we are something other than what we are in our rawest, most naked, primordial nature. The dream is boundless and there is no 'wrong' way to go about dreaming your dying dream.....
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It took a moment to sink in, but there it was on the damp gravestone, my name. I wiped the mud and rain from these etchings in stone and stood in the dimming late autumn light, wondering what this meant for myself.
Edited by Raven Gnosis (08/06/12 03:30 AM)
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 pablokabute
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 Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16649601 - 08/05/12 10:06 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Agape..
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: pablokabute]
#16650224 - 08/05/12 11:38 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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We must? I don't know, I'm living in a forest and I'm using my will power to resist delusional thinking like I could go outside and get fit.
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In every winter there's a different cold
in every winter I feel so old
so very old as the night
so very old as the dreadful cold
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16650237 - 08/05/12 11:40 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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I don't know if meaning can be avoided. Do you believe it can?
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usulpsychonaut
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: birdland]
#16650654 - 08/06/12 12:45 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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I've avoided meaning for 36 years now. Life is just a relentless awareness of unawareness and the other way around.
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In every winter there's a different cold
in every winter I feel so old
so very old as the night
so very old as the dreadful cold
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#16650681 - 08/06/12 12:50 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Excellent post OP.
It's all true.
I really love the statement, "this is it."
This. is. it.
Wow...
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she said there's good men
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16650754 - 08/06/12 01:02 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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IMO we're constantly making meaning. Perhaps too much that it's chocking the natural flow of things. Getting swamped in our own prejudgements. Maybe we should make less meaning and see how that goes? Just my 2 cents.
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Raven Gnosis
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: birdland]
#16651393 - 08/06/12 03:30 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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birdland said:
I don't know if meaning can be avoided. Do you believe it can?
No. Which is why I said, "The dream is boundless and there is no 'wrong' way to go about dreaming your dying dream...."
We as humans no matter what seem to abstractly relate ourselves to something or other... I think this in essence is the power of the shapeshifter... Not to actually physically shapeshift, but the ability to change one's consciousness to mimic the nature of something else. Consciousness has no gender, no nationality, creed or particular form, it is plasticine by its very nature. This is why I do not like names and feel odd at times calling people them. They are not that thing which I am calling them...
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It took a moment to sink in, but there it was on the damp gravestone, my name. I wiped the mud and rain from these etchings in stone and stood in the dimming late autumn light, wondering what this meant for myself.
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16651789 - 08/06/12 06:40 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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Well no surprise there I must be completely caboodle, there now I have meaning!
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In every winter there's a different cold
in every winter I feel so old
so very old as the night
so very old as the dreadful cold
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16652101 - 08/06/12 09:11 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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Quote:
Raven Gnosis said:
Meaning is something we as humans must find and assign that exists nowhere but within ourselves.
There is nothing more than what is. What is is void of our human conceptualizations. There is no wrong, no right, nothing is o.k. because o.k. does not exist. This world is void of me, because I am no different than this world.
"I" come from nothing but the left hemisphere of my brain. It is a pleasure to meet you.
From birth, I was told I was my name, my gender, my nationality... These are all convenient ways for us as humans to fool and transform ourselves and eachother into thinking we are something other than what we are in our rawest, most naked, primordial nature. The dream is boundless and there is no 'wrong' way to go about dreaming your dying dream.....
Or something like that. 
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16652106 - 08/06/12 09:14 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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yea I just wasn't sure. You do have a good grasp on the English language, I really enjoy the way I've seen you write in certain posts 
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: birdland]
#16657665 - 08/07/12 12:55 AM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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We must abandon all existing meaning and create our own.
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"I envy you. You North Americans are very lucky. You are fighting the most important fight of all - you live in THE HEART OF THE BEAST."
--Anonymous Guerilla, or is he..
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: pablokabute]
#16658112 - 08/07/12 02:33 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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I don't think it's too bad of an idea to abandon ALL ideas hitherto thought up and develop your own understanding.
The awareness is constant. It is constant yet not of a substance. No matter what you think, no matter what reality exists, you are aware. However, you can be absolutely floored by a massive shift in reality/consciousness, and whether or not it is permanent is irrelevant - you just saw the other side, when you thought this was the only side. Reality can change altogether, and just because the body and the house are still there, they are existing, too, in a different reality... it's quite amazing. Really, the body and the house are a manifestation of awareness.
I think the main thing to avoid is reacting to your reflection, and reality is your reflection. It's frustrating, absurd, preposterous. You just won't stop pulling faces in the mirror, will you?
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she said there's good men
that there's God in everyone
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: circastes]
#16658491 - 08/07/12 04:34 AM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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I don't think it's too bad of an idea to abandon ALL ideas hitherto thought up and develop your own understanding.
I don't see how this would be possible, There are no original ideas that I can see and all are built on what came before. Any understanding we develop is all based on past culture. That's why all the threads here are repeats.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Icelander]
#16660678 - 08/07/12 03:52 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Use your imagination!
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"Your salvation may lie in a rational apprehension of the present moment."
-Terence McKenna
she said there's good men
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Raven Gnosis
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Icelander]
#16660943 - 08/07/12 04:33 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
I don't think it's too bad of an idea to abandon ALL ideas hitherto thought up and develop your own understanding.
I don't see how this would be possible, There are no original ideas that I can see and all are built on what came before. Any understanding we develop is all based on past culture. That's why all the threads here are repeats.
This is true, for years I did not read or look into any sort of spiritual traditions or their conclusions arrived at through deep contemplation... I didn't really have that option, I was poor and deeply enjoyed living with the animals anyway.
I was somewhat surprised to see that much of what my experiences taught me had already been thought, taught or experienced. It was actually a relief, because I didn't want to have to feel burdened with sharing these things, like it was my duty or something... I find it refreshing to see these things intellectualized in a different manner too.
We can use syntax to attempt to transliterate wordlessness into words as much as we like, but the proposed nature of phenomenon that language suggests about any said thing hinges almost entirely on what that word is suggesting it is...
This is why I don't like to even call my 'divine' experiences 'divine'... How arrogant and foolish to assume anything is what our human minds designate them as through language...
Anything can be experienced as and thought of as divine, as long as we designate them so. A pleasant dream, yes.. But is it what is?
This is why I like to dwell in the silence of my experiencing this life and let the world show me what it is... There is no need to designate anything as anything when it already is what it is by it's very nature. I want too see it, feel it...
I knew the plants and how they grew long before I knew their names, the same thing with the birds and their songs... I often notice people asking me what this plant is or what this bird is, then once they have a name, they often times no longer see IT and turn away...
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It took a moment to sink in, but there it was on the damp gravestone, my name. I wiped the mud and rain from these etchings in stone and stood in the dimming late autumn light, wondering what this meant for myself.
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: circastes]
#16661362 - 08/07/12 05:48 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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circastes said:
Use your imagination!
Tell me something from your imagination that no one but you has ever thought of.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: Icelander]
#16661494 - 08/07/12 06:09 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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Icelander said:
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circastes said:
Use your imagination!
Tell me something from your imagination that no one but you has ever thought of.
if this was your goal, I believe you can generate very original imaginings and musings..  )
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Re: We must make our own meaning in this meaningless world. [Re: White Beard]
#16661676 - 08/07/12 06:40 PM (9 months, 9 days ago) |
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White Beard said:
IMO we're constantly making meaning. Perhaps too much that it's chocking the natural flow of things. Getting swamped in our own prejudgements. Maybe we should make less meaning and see how that goes? Just my 2 cents.
Question is where is this meaning being generated from? Where is it inside of us that constantly gives meaning to things? My goal is to become more able to generate more of my own meaning, what I want things to mean, instead of letting an automatic thought process grunt away at life in a lazy cloud of unconscious dreamery. Some guy walks past me with an angry face. I could let my past influenced subconscious automatically take over and interpret his facial expression to mean something that has to do with me, and take it personally, or I could step back, create my own meaning, and interpret it as something that could have to do with something I'm not aware of. Creating that kind of space within the mind is difficult. Noticing how we react to objects, environments, people, actions, etc. Why is it that sometimes I don't see a mountain with an orange sky, but rather just beauty? How do we create more of these feel based reactions? These are questions I've only found partial answers for but have by no means anywhere near found.
Last night while mirror scrying my reflection was moving around looking at me in puzzlement as though it had no idea what it was looking at and was in awe to be seeing something totally alien. Was that the part of me that sees things from a distance, that is able to observe existence with wonder and mystery?
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