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 Vore
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 Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. 
#16645264 - 08/05/12 03:05 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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So I'm very keen on melatonin for starting up vivid dreaming and a bit of lucid dreaming. Trouble is, on melatonin my dreams are fucked up. So this is what I'm trying: take 5 mg melatonin mixed with 400 mg valerian root mixed with my casein protein blend before sleep. Sleep for 6.5 hours. Wake up and down another 5 mg/400 mg, then write down any dreams I can recall. Read about psychology, dreaming, and dream symbolism for 20 minutes. Stretch and meditate on dreams for 30 minutes. Sleep for another hour, then do more dream recollection.
I've cut down from 10 mg melatonin because I find it's too heavy on my system, but valerian root is a very non-intrusive supplement. I've also cut down on Robert Waggoner's suggested 1.5 hour break between sleep periods, because I get too jumpy to fall back to sleep if too much time passes.
I'll be taking this amount of supplements 1/3 days for the next 2 weeks, we'll see how this goes...
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: Vore]
#16645349 - 08/05/12 03:33 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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ive done this twice. one of the nights i became lucid. the other i just slept well.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: Vore]
#16645453 - 08/05/12 04:14 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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10mg of melatonin is a lot!  When I used to take it, 3mg would be plenty.
Speaking of lucid dreams, I had one of the most insane feelings in mine last night. I haven't been practicing or anything of the sort, it just came naturally, so this was all a bit surprising. In my dream I was having an extremely spiritual/symbolic experience, like nothing I could even compare to experience in waking state. It was such a bizarre feeling that I somehow realized I was not awake, but at the same time I felt like I wasn't dreaming either. It felt like my life got cut off at one point and jump to a different reality. It was also the longest duration of time I've felt while dreaming, feeling somewhere around 12 hours of straight back to back events.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: pyrate999]
#16645600 - 08/05/12 05:31 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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I've been pretty skeptical about attempting to determine what the dreams "mean", because dreams are seemingly random and chaotic, why would the meaning be any different even if there is a meaning?
It's like attempting to apply a logical algorithm to something that isn't based in logic, at all (imo). So if you are lucid and in control, how could there be another meaning from what you are choosing to make happen?
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: teknix]
#16646383 - 08/05/12 11:41 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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So if you are lucid and in control, how could there be another meaning from what you are choosing to make happen?
It's not about controlling the dream, but rather steering it in certain directions, like a sailor would navigate the sea.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16646387 - 08/05/12 11:43 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Every time I take "full control" I end up waking up.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: pyrate999]
#16646573 - 08/05/12 12:36 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Yea, Robert Waggoner has a great chapter in his book entitled "Does the Sailor Control the Sea?" which shows we are hardly in "control" of our lucid dreams. We can request to experience something, but what is actually experienced, the details, is left to an inner unconscious creativity - an inner Self. Your ships going to sink if you think you are controlling the sea too. 
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16646770 - 08/05/12 01:23 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Yea, Robert Waggoner has a great chapter in his book entitled "Does the Sailor Control the Sea?" which shows we are hardly in "control" of our lucid dreams. We can request to experience something, but what is actually experienced, the details, is left to an inner unconscious creativity - an inner Self. Your ships going to sink if you think you are controlling the sea too.
I don't think i've ever put effort into controlling "the dream" rather being in control of myself.
Staying sober instead of being hazed and swayed by the flow of the dream.
In that sense i can say that i have experienced "full control" and the events that proceed are bizarre to say the least.
Never taken melatonin.
Let ur body do the work on its own.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: jivJaN]
#16646785 - 08/05/12 01:26 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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If anyone's interested I just updated my blog with an experience from last night.
http://astralsun.blogspot.com/2012/08/npe-9-inner-fireworks.html
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16647825 - 08/05/12 05:05 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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So if you are lucid and in control, how could there be another meaning from what you are choosing to make happen?
It's not about controlling the dream, but rather steering it in certain directions, like a sailor would navigate the sea.
So I once went lucid and began to fly out of a subway and some dude took the shoes I was wearing. So I let them go because i didn't really need them because I could fly around, so I continued to fly to school where I just practiced flying around in a park. I remember I was having a hard time braking.
Does that really have any meaning or would we be adding meaning when there is non?
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: teknix]
#16647849 - 08/05/12 05:08 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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pyrate999 said:
Speaking of lucid dreams, I had one of the most insane feelings in mine last night. I haven't been practicing or anything of the sort, it just came naturally, so this was all a bit surprising. In my dream I was having an extremely spiritual/symbolic experience, like nothing I could even compare to experience in waking state. It was such a bizarre feeling that I somehow realized I was not awake, but at the same time I felt like I wasn't dreaming either. It felt like my life got cut off at one point and jump to a different reality. It was also the longest duration of time I've felt while dreaming, feeling somewhere around 12 hours of straight back to back events.
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If anyone's interested I just updated my blog with an experience from last night.
http://astralsun.blogspot.com/2012/08/npe-9-inner-fireworks.html
I wish I had such elegant dreams. My vivid dream last night decoded into: you're jealous of that dude you saw with a 10" dong. 
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I've been pretty skeptical about attempting to determine what the dreams "mean", because dreams are seemingly random and chaotic, why would the meaning be any different even if there is a meaning?
It's like attempting to apply a logical algorithm to something that isn't based in logic, at all (imo). So if you are lucid and in control, how could there be another meaning from what you are choosing to make happen?
I've found most of the symbols in my dreams represent repressed desires, insecurities, or undeveloped thoughts. Most of the stuff your mind doesn't want you to see directly, either because its too painful or too distracting to a busy waking consciousness. In dreamspace you go through these thoughts rendered mostly harmless with dream symbols. Sometimes, there's identity-cross over. Where someone was mean to you it might be reversed where you become mean to someone else. It helps your mind look at the thing a little more objectively, hence the advice "sleep on it."
If you're actively controlling the entirety of the lucid dream, you're not really letting the sleepy mind do its thang, so you probably won't learn anything about dream symbols.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: Vore]
#16647863 - 08/05/12 05:10 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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I once killed a guy with his own shotgun that was running around killing people for no reason other then someone told him too. Yet for some reason I let the guy live that was telling him to kill. It was more of a vivid dream then lucid though.
When Lucid I usually just practice flying around.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: teknix]
#16648778 - 08/05/12 07:44 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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The coolest thing about lucid dreams is the people that exist in the dream world.
I met this guy that told me it had been a long long time since anyone had visited him in the dream world. He told me he had lives in the dream world for a long time.
We talked for a few moments.. which could have really been a long time but I don't remember most of the conversation. I don't know man.. it's weird.
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Re: Boosh! Another Lucid Dream thread. [Re: teknix]
#16648847 - 08/05/12 07:55 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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teknix said:
I once killed a guy with his own shotgun that was running around killing people for no reason other then someone told him too. Yet for some reason I let the guy live that was telling him to kill. It was more of a vivid dream then lucid though.
When Lucid I usually just practice flying around.
An interesting experiment to do is ask the dream to show you something unexpected. Shout out to the dream, "I want to experience something unexpected."
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