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#16616848 - 07/30/12 04:35 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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my understanding is champagne yeast is a pretty hyperactive fermenter, producing a lot more co2 quicker, but would it really die after only 4 dayS?
its no longer bubbling, so whats the point of leting it sit, the yeast has collected on the bottom as usual, so should i just filter it off, bottle it, and test it out or wait another 1 and 1/2 weeks?
Most of your yeast doesn't "die" after fermentation, it just goes dormant.
Letting it sit is important to developing the right flavour profile. Depending on what is in the wort/must, yeast usually produces some unpleasant flavour compounds. Some of these will later be broken down or absorbed by the yeast. If you remove the yeast too early you will have no way to get rid of these flavour compounds.
Usually the rule of thumb with cider and mead is to let it age until it goes almost completely clear. In my experience with cider this takes maybe 1-3 weeks.
i can see your point, but it didnt start clear since it is real cider, not the see through motts stuff
any amendment?
I've only used real cider once before so my experience is limited. I found that it did not produce a desirable flavour, and it did not come clear. This might have been from problems with my method or process. If I were you I would filter it, or use a fining agent to clarify before bottling.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: teefizzle]
#16617458 - 07/30/12 06:13 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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I can't speak for cider, but with most fermentation, wine, beer, meed, the right amount of time is key. I guess some of it would depend if your cider is cloudy just because it's real cider, or because the yeast hasn't flocculated out yet. I mostly do beer, but I find that it can have a rather yeasty flavor if I haven't let it drop out of Quote:
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I usually leave mine at 30 psi for a couple days and call it good, unless I'm really hard up, in which case I draw off and fill a 2 liter and chill in freezer, afterwards I attach this device.
The carbonater, it fits on top of any 2 liter soda bottle and I shake and bake at 30 psi for a couple of minutes, not as good as letting it sit though. You can force carbonate, but you can't force age.
im not too interested in having it bubble, i got the champagne yeast for its efficiency, and since it's not beer, but cider, how does the taste develop?
would you say that letting apple cider sit longer makes for a better taste?
thanks
Ok, one example would be if I keg and my brew tastes cloyingly sweet, well I know there's still some yeast in there, so I set that keg off to the side for a month or so and hope the residual yeast will eat away at some of those sugars, I believe it can also help the yeast eat up acetaldehyde, though I'm not very well versed in the specifics, if you're the sort that really likes to geek out on what's going on in the fermentation, John Palmer's "How to Brew" is an excellent book.
I can't speak for cider, but with most fermentation, wine, beer, meed, the right amount of time is key. I guess some of it would depend if your cider is cloudy just because it's real cider, or because the yeast hasn't flocculated out yet. I mostly do beer, but I find that it can have a rather yeasty flavor if I haven't let it drop out of suspension. If you're feeling antsy, you can always sanitize your racking cane and thief some out, not the best practice to do too often as it introduces oxygen and can cause a bit of oxidation.
I haven't started my own experiment with any of this yet but am very curious to see what happens with this, if having the msg in there will affect any other aspects of the fermentation.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: teefizzle]
#16617629 - 07/30/12 06:46 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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before i filter my brew now, can you assure me more without laughing
i feel like you may be playing a joke on me ahha
who me? i am trying to protect you.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211075056AAWotqw
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16617783 - 07/30/12 07:13 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yea I've had no luck with apple products yet. Well...I gave up on apples actually
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#16617989 - 07/30/12 07:50 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Yea I've had no luck with apple products yet. Well...I gave up on apples actually
I've got a very full 6 gallon carboy of going on two year cyser that I added a little spice cinnamon and vanilla to. Haven't touched it. It was a pasteurized cider so I added it cold. Fermented well. I don't even recall the yeast. Probably pretty good stuff the cider was tasty although I don't know how such things age.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16618661 - 07/30/12 09:58 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Damn....2 years?? Wow. Time to bottle! Haha I hope its good man.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#16618668 - 07/30/12 10:00 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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This forum section needs a brew thread sticky for recipes, notes pics ect. I'd love to rallly up alll the brewers on here! Hell yes
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#16618921 - 07/30/12 10:43 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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I've been a dope and talked about my homebrew in the pub, only to realize we had our own section once this thread came about!
I've got an extra carboy I picked up not to long ago. I'll have to fish out some MSG and try some nice hard cider!
This may be getting off topic a bit, but anyone play with moonshine? I had my first couple swigs of legit moonshine this weekend. I was feelin good!
I didn't get to talk to the distiller, my friends pointed him out but he didn't know who I was so I didn't want to be poking around other people's business. I know I get a little anxious if some friend of a friend of a friend walks up to me and ask specifics... Anyway I kept thinking of this thread and if it was a corn based mash or not. I was too drunk to tell if that had any extra "punch" besides being high proof alcohol.
That was one sexy cougar walkin around with the jar though. So many distractions 
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16619410 - 07/31/12 12:06 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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before i filter my brew now, can you assure me more without laughing
i feel like you may be playing a joke on me ahha
who me? i am trying to protect you.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211075056AAWotqw
dont troll me fool haha
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: teefizzle]
#16620894 - 07/31/12 09:42 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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before i filter my brew now, can you assure me more without laughing
i feel like you may be playing a joke on me ahha
who me? i am trying to protect you.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211075056AAWotqw
dont troll me fool haha
i'm not joking. this is my job!
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16622091 - 07/31/12 02:33 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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filtered the cider using a mesh strainer with a coffee filter inside, then capped it and put it in the fridge because I find it best served cold.
Being confident that it smelled as it should, I scooped a generous dab of the spent yeast into my mouth and it didnt taste bad at all, just mild yeast flavor.
*what kind of spices do you guys put in your cider to make it taste better?
it's not sour or bitter anything but it just needs some sweetness or maybe cinnamon
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16624180 - 07/31/12 08:07 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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before i filter my brew now, can you assure me more without laughing
i feel like you may be playing a joke on me ahha
who me? i am trying to protect you.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211075056AAWotqw
"Back when I was a fresh fish in college, we and my new "friends" were drinking. There was a girl with us. We wanted this girl to pass out so we could do the train (I know that was sick and I know better now).
We were doin shots and I go after the girl, w/c means much of the residue from the MSG are still on the glass and I got to ingest it instead. What happened to me? I was knocked the F*CK out! And I had the worst hangover I ever experienced.
Dont do it."
Someone seriously tried to date rape with msg? 
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Riboflavin]
#16624215 - 07/31/12 08:13 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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amateurs 
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: teefizzle]
#16629488 - 08/01/12 07:15 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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filtered the cider using a mesh strainer with a coffee filter inside, then capped it and put it in the fridge because I find it best served cold.
Being confident that it smelled as it should, I scooped a generous dab of the spent yeast into my mouth and it didnt taste bad at all, just mild yeast flavor.
*what kind of spices do you guys put in your cider to make it taste better?
it's not sour or bitter anything but it just needs some sweetness or maybe cinnamon
I wouldn't filter like this in future. Oxygen ingress can cause off flavours. Most home-brewers use clarifying agents, most pro brewers use inline filtering in a nitrogen/co2 atmosphere.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Heffy]
#16630698 - 08/01/12 10:53 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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if you hold that knowledge, i hold you responsible for not telling me prior to my filtering.
shame on you Heffy.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: teefizzle]
#16634949 - 08/02/12 06:50 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Sounds like it can take a bit for oxidation to kick in...
from this forum
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/severe-effects-oxidation-196663/
"I had an Irish Red that went bad because of oxidation. Musty, cardboard, stale odor and flavor. It took a couple of months before it showed up though. Had some air leaking in my bottling wand.
My advice to the OP is to have a party, drink it fast, then re-brew!"
I looked this up because I heard something similar on a beer podcast.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Riboflavin]
#16646352 - 08/05/12 11:32 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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GUYS!!
I just got a PM that contained the following exerpt, from a known user who wishes to remain anonymous:
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I fermented apple juice with 1g/L MSG using Young's Cider Yeast.
I tried the turbo cider the other day with another person and it appears to work. Initially we drank one pint quite quickly. Within a few minutes the euphoria hit, it didn't feel like alcohol at all, more clearheaded and stimulating. We were very talkative and fairly buzzed, it felt like the come up from an mdxx drug. I have a very high tolerance to alcohol so I don't think it was the alcohol effects or placebo. The person who took it with me has taken GBL before and said it felt the same, I have no experience with GHB or GBL so had nothing to measure the experience against.
Also the MSG at that concentration didn't give any detectable salty taste, if anything it might have made the cider taste more "appley". We are fairly certain the experience was due to the presence of GHB and not a placebo effect although I'm looking forward to hearing of other peoples experiences with it.
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16647417 - 08/05/12 03:47 PM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Awesome!!! Can't wait to try this!
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#16650985 - 08/06/12 01:46 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Hell yeah! 
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Re: Home Brewers, your skills are urgently needed for the science of intoxication! [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#16654449 - 08/06/12 05:45 PM (9 months, 10 days ago) |
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GUYS!!
I just got a PM that contained the following exerpt, from a known user who wishes to remain anonymous:
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I fermented apple juice with 1g/L MSG using Young's Cider Yeast.
I tried the turbo cider the other day with another person and it appears to work. Initially we drank one pint quite quickly. Within a few minutes the euphoria hit, it didn't feel like alcohol at all, more clearheaded and stimulating. We were very talkative and fairly buzzed, it felt like the come up from an mdxx drug. I have a very high tolerance to alcohol so I don't think it was the alcohol effects or placebo. The person who took it with me has taken GBL before and said it felt the same, I have no experience with GHB or GBL so had nothing to measure the experience against.
Also the MSG at that concentration didn't give any detectable salty taste, if anything it might have made the cider taste more "appley". We are fairly certain the experience was due to the presence of GHB and not a placebo effect although I'm looking forward to hearing of other peoples experiences with it.
after drinking some cider myself last night of the same concentration I can confirm that I did in fact feel buzzed from just one glass of cider.
i also recognized the unique ghb euphoria you get, but more like the times ive had GBL.
i really dont wanna bother with screwing around with apples any longer, i need something pure i can look at! 
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