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#16646241 - 08/05/12 10:59 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Ok, let me begin by saying hello to everyone and thank you in advance for this great site and any help given to me. To be honest there is such an abundance of information it's a little overwhelming. But I'm not going to let this stop me from diving right in and giving this a shot. In my experience you can ask all the questions you want but when it comes down to it, just doing it, and seeing what happens is the best way to learn.
Please respect my thread I plan on keeping this updated and letting everyone know how I am progressing. This will be my first attempt ever at Mycology. So yes I am new, but I have read the rules, the strain thread etc. I have actually spent hours over the last couple days researching this subject and feel confident to give it a go.
While researching I saw a lot of people catching flak, because they were asking basic questions that were easily answered in other threads VIA search function. I understand the frustration veterans and the old heads of the boards feel because of the ignorance of some people. I am not one of those people so please don't bash me or bring your negative attitude on my plane.
OK, enough with the introduction, lets get to the plan. I'm guessing its about midway through the season and hope to be able to get a decent grow with the time I have left. But I know the clocks ticking and as of today I will be ordering some PE and using the PF tek to get started. Once I am 100% colonized I plan on using a mix of potting soil, manure and Vermiculite.
I have included pictures of my planned grow spot.
I am estimating that I will have 10 1/2 pint cakes if I don't lose any due to contaminates. What i would like to do is rake away the pine needles and save of to the side. I'm going to dig about a 4x4 area a few inches deep and place a layer of my topsoil, manure and verm mix. Then ad a layer of broken up cakes topped with a light layer of my mix with more crumbled cakes making a layered effect. Once I have all my cakes used I will make a final layer using my mix and then recover it with the pine needles I put off to the side. Basically the idea is to be hidden in plain sight.
The area my plot will be at will never receives direct sunlight and I will have easy access to water it and keep the area moist. My only question is whether or not I will have to add lime to my mix. I don't know the ph level of the soil, but during my research saw that some trees make the soil really acidic and the shrooms may benefit from the lime. The trees I'm planting under, I'm pretty sure are white pines.
So basically that's the game plan. I would really like some feedback and/or suggestions. I am almost scared to ask questions and get flamed like I have seen others. Regardless I'm going for it wish me luck, and I will keep you updated.
Edited by TasteTheSound (08/05/12 11:44 AM)
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Two things,
do you have a plan to deal with pests/animals who will do what they can to spoil your dreams?
I suggest saving a couple of cakes and fruiting them inside just to have something to show for your work in case the outside crop goes bad for whatever reason.
GL!
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 Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: dolomite]
#16646306 - 08/05/12 11:20 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Good luck man...hope it all works out for you!! will keep checking back for updates
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: dolomite]
#16646340 - 08/05/12 11:29 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Two things,
do you have a plan to deal with pests/animals who will do what they can to spoil your dreams?
I suggest saving a couple of cakes and fruiting them inside just to have something to show for your work in case the outside crop goes bad for whatever reason.
GL!
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I suggest breaking the grow up into several patches. It's possible to get contams during colonization outdoors so you might not want to do a single large patch.
Also, IME contams are more likely to show quickly on the surface so a properly pasteurized casing would still be advantageous.
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Quote:
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dolomite said:
Two things,
do you have a plan to deal with pests/animals who will do what they can to spoil your dreams?
I suggest saving a couple of cakes and fruiting them inside just to have something to show for your work in case the outside crop goes bad for whatever reason.
GL!
Does a 1200 fps air gun count?
Only if you're on guard all the time. You should fence things off with a little chicken wire and toss mothballs around at least, otherwise your patch is going to be a meal for you name it.
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I'm with mush, it is probably the biggest worry for outdoor patches. Look into getting some diatomaceous earth to help with bugs, snails, slugs, and all the small pests. Then think of a way to keeps small animals from getting at them as well. Maybe an automated, motion sensor turret, lol.
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: dolomite]
#16646509 - 08/05/12 12:17 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Like i said its all so overwhelming but then you got masters like this make it seem so simple. I got access to both fresh horse and cow manure.... I will have plenty of time to figure out my plan of attack while my cakes are colonizing (hopefully). So any suggestions or ideas are much appreciated. I'm not so much worried about animals because my cat is always out in the grass waiting to pounce on something. And although I'm in a rural area there's not much of a pest problem. I am however worried about insects slugs etc... I will have to read up more on control measures for that including diatomaceous earth.
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Everything I ever tossed outside got ate up by ants/beetles. Definitely worry more about what you can't shoot 
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No squirrels, rabbits, mice, raccoon etc.??
Check out my outdoor grow
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16435941
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No squirrels, rabbits, mice, raccoon etc.??
Check out my outdoor grow
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16435941
I just joined the forum it wont let me view the link.
As far as the DE that was recommended im definitely gonna check it out. I guess i could add it to the mix and then use a good amount of verm and DE as the casing. The only thing is that DE would need to be refreshed on the surface (obviously i wont be able to reapply below the surface.)
The one issue i have is that im trying to keep this low profile so fencing etc is not an option. I dont live alone and growing inside is not really an option besides waiting for my colonies to form because the can be easily hidden.
So as far as protection do you think it could be beneficial to place framing underground to protect insects from coming from underground and into the sides of my patch? Possibly adding gardening fabric on the bottom? And when i say underground i mean flush with the surface and then i can spread DE on top and around the framing.
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I wouldn't worry about pests until/unless it becomes a known problem.
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: Rahz]
#16646742 - 08/05/12 01:16 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Well i was thinking that too. It seems as though growing outside can really just be hit or miss. It seems those with grand ambitions ultimately fail and those who are just discarding old indoor grows or just winging it like what the heck are successful.
I've seen the quote "they were growing outdoors before we grew them indoors" alot in my reading. So that's why im just gonna go for it. My main reason for posting this is to share the experience and avoid any major mistakes or pitfalls on the way.
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Really dumb thing I did once was place about 40 gallons of spawned substrate on the north side of a shed. Seemed like a pretty good idea at the time. A couple days later there was a very heavy downpour and all the water that landed on the shed drained onto the patch. Never saw a single pin. 
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: Rahz]
#16646870 - 08/05/12 01:46 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Really dumb thing I did once was place about 40 gallons of spawned substrate on the north side of a shed. Seemed like a pretty good idea at the time. A couple days later there was a very heavy downpour and all the water that landed on the shed drained onto the patch. Never saw a single pin.
Really? I had something very similar and had really great results. One difference is i didn't get the heavy downpour til weeks after putting it in the ground. I wrote about it a while back.
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My first outdoor grow taught me a lot. I had what was originally an indoor project contaminate. (I believe it was coir coffee using two quarts of spawn) A little bit of green maybe the size of nickel on an otherwise fully colonized and healthy tray. I decided to toss it outdoors. Aside from the trich the sub was fully colonized and otherwise healthy looking. I dug a little hole the size of the sub and tossed it in whole. I covered it with a light layer of hpoo and dirt.
I watered it frequently but didn't see any results for maybe 3 weeks, and what i did finally see was disappointing. Two tiny mushrooms the size of my thumb, i was really discouraged. I chalked it up as a failure and forgot about it. Two or three weeks later we had a tremendous thunderstorm. Left pools of water in the streets, and turned lawns into ponds.
Where i had planted the mushrooms was submerged in several inches of water. It took about a week for everything to dry up, a week of ridiculous humidity. I noticed days after the storm that lawn mushrooms were popping up everywhere i looked in town. They were thriving. I thought to myself maybe i'll check the mushroom bed i made. I really didn't expect to see anything but when i looked on the side of my shed, my jaw dropped.
I wish i had taken a picture. I couldnt believe the GIANT cluster of golden beauties in front of me. One mushroom had a cap the size of a tea plate! Unfortunately since i already deemed the grow a failure i didn't check on the area earlier. Some of the mushrooms were a little weathered and had to be discarded. I only grabbed the ones that were in good condition. One single mushroom wieghed 7gs dry!
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More time before the downpour probably would have helped, but yes it was a total failure and my largest single attempt.
When I first started growing outside I used a post hole digger, dug holes to 7-8 inches. Filled with spawned sub, covered with dirt and let them go. Fairly inconspicuous even out in the open, and most of them produced multiple flushes.
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Thats always exciting to plan an outdoor grow ;-) Refer to another thread that is up right now for SWIM's experience on the subject: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16644839 ;
However, I noticed something about your planned spot... namely that it is below pine trees. I think I remember RR advising that pine needles are one of the best natural fungicides, and so, should be avoided. Anyone else have any knowledge about that?
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Maybe cedar is the fungicide!?
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That was the pasteurized substrate. A whole day of cooking in the kitchen. I tried to let the thread die but someone asked how things were going. Oh the shame.
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: Rahz]
#16647024 - 08/05/12 02:17 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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That was the pasteurized substrate. A whole day of cooking in the kitchen. I tried to let the thread die but someone asked how things were going. Oh the shame.
Ouch thats the worst, very infuriating 
Also about the pine trees, notice how nothing or not much really grows under them.
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It would be nice if RR or someone else with that experience addresses the pine question. It might not affect a thick substrate too badly and might help keep other fungi from contaminating the grow.
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: Rahz]
#16647088 - 08/05/12 02:33 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Upon investigation, I have concluded that cedar is what is discussed as a natural fungicide... sorry for spreading misinformation.
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However, I noticed something about your planned spot... namely that it is below pine trees. I think I remember RR advising that pine needles are one of the best natural fungicides, and so, should be avoided. Anyone else have any knowledge about that?
I don't know if that's true or not especially since i got the idea from my walkabout the other day. I was in an area of all pines in the woods and found these. This was before i read that anything active wouldn't be fruiting until tbe fall, i i could even find any. So that's why im pursuing this grow now. Not to go off topic but anyone care to identify for shits and giggles
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Cool! 4 looks like Reishi 
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Yeah... its cedar I meant... so you are good to go. As soon as I posted it I remembered the symbiotic relationship between amanita muscaria and certain conifers.
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Sorry for spreading misinformation
If anything the spongy texture of the pine needles should help with providing GE for the myc.
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Cool! 4 looks like Reishi
Sweet according to wiki if i go eat these i will become an immortal fairy. Here sookie sookie
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OK, so I'm a bit bored and my package didnt arrive today so that means that I wont be able to do anything til Thursday hopefully it will arrive by then. So I figured I would give a bit of an update with what I got if for no reason other then I am bored.
So I basically have all my supplies and here they are.
I like to show exactly what I am using because I hate when people are like oh yeah go grab this that and the other and I have no idea what I'm looking for, and sometimes it really makes a difference between name brands.
Anyways first things first I'm sure people are wondering whats up with the framed out grow box and the river pebbles. Basically the idea is to have a fixed area with proper draining in case of over watering.
When the time is ready I will dig out my area that I have designated for my plot.I want to have the top of the box just below the natural surrounding surface because after all is in place you will not see any of it.
Also you might notice that I just took some screen used for windows/doors and stapled it on the bottom so there is a separation from the substrate and the rocks. I have used this kind of setup up in a live terrarium and it works great.
Besides the draining I'm hoping that it will help with the quantity of my flushes. From my understanding you start getting fruit when the myco runs out of food and out of survival instincts begins to fruit so it can release its spores.
So hopefully when the box's area has fully colonized and is starting to lose nutrients it has only one option but to go up. And not be able to continue spreading horizontally across the ground.
So next, is my stuff for PF Tek. Thats my steamer on a colman out door stove. Sweet for using when you dont wanna stink up the house. Also I've read its better to freshly grind your own brown rice so.... and of course I have a bag of fine grain verm.
The only thing I'm a little hesitate to use is the manure and organic humus. Yes it says it organic and was twice as much as the Scott's brand. But I have also read that they put anti-fungal treatment on cattle feed that is funded by the state. So I will have to look further into it. I have fresh horse poo available and was thinking of mixing some into it anyway, but if I find out that the treatment is used I wont be using the cow poo at all.
Anyway that it for the update, stay tuned.
Edited by TasteTheSound (08/07/12 11:18 PM)
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People will get various results from cow poo and it can't even be determined by brand since a particular brand, especially a larger brand that's widely available will source from different suppliers and change suppliers over time. Humus will improve the texture, but I would still be wary.
You should at least open it up and take a good picture in the sunlight, and tell us what it looks, feels, and smells like.
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Re: Outdoor Grow [Re: Rahz]
#16688665 - 08/12/12 07:31 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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staring at my knocked up jars (they were done friday) and am seeing no progress what so ever.
Grow fuckers grow I need to escape this fucking world.
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7 days since inoculation
Some are lagging but otherwise looking good. How long you think til they will be a 100% another week or two?
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It is always variable how long pf jars will take to colonize... However, I have jars that are at the exact same stage it looks like. So we will have a race then?!
edit: actually my jars are a little ahead of yours, but its been 1.5 weeks since I inoculated.
I used an expiremental method this time, which was to use both fine and coarse verm for the substrate and ofc just fine verm for the contam barrier............. I also thought about using a little diatomaceous earth in the mix, but I saved that for next time.
For real though.. I wouldnt get my hopes up too much for 100%colonization/consolidation any earlier than 2 weeks from now. It may even be three weeks before you can spawn them.
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I used fine verm in mine. Im thinking the most two weeks though... remember im putting these outside so it doesnt really matter if they aren't truely 100 percent because they are getting broken up any way.
That and i decided to get fresh horse poo. I got 100 lbs stinky fresh the other day for 4 bucks. No straw or wood chips either really good find i think. So thats out getting feild aged anyway so i wont be able to start til that has been aged enough.
Im thinking in two weeks i will be ready to goto ground.
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Soak it with running water and then dry it out in full sun. Do this over and over again..... if you can, even put a fan on it periodically It will "age" more quickly.
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18 days almost there
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