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if i was very hungry, id consider killing it as painlessly as possible and consuming it, making sure to savor the beautiful taste of its bloody flesh. otherwise id let it scamper by, observing its beautiful and seemingly innocent simplicity
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 Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death?  [Re: Vore]
#16641480 - 08/03/12 10:03 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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But when we look at nature, that's not what we are aware of.
Who's we white man? I'm very aware of the underlying violence and struggle most likely due to my own struggles with life long depression. This brings up something interesting. Not going to say I have an artists temperament but when I do perceive beauty it seems to have more depth than many people I know. For instance watching a sunset with a friend and talking about it I seem to take more from it, see more connections to the idea of beauty itself and what that means if you follow me. Anyway I certainly see the dark side along with the surface beauty. And seeing that has changed everything for me.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16641525 - 08/03/12 10:10 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Are you satisfied with "Most people"?
Sunsets don't have enough action for me 
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16641590 - 08/03/12 10:22 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Most people? what do you mean?
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Vore
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16641745 - 08/03/12 10:45 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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When most people look at a deer in the wild they aren't wondering whether or not it's hungry. If you do its atypical behavior.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16641777 - 08/03/12 10:51 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Often I consider atypical behavior to be the healthiest.
When I see a deer I see a vulnerable animal that's existence seems to be to provide large predators with sustenance. Among other things. If they are particularly thin then I wonder about hunger. I've actually come across dozens of starved dead dear in one spot in a particularly extreme Michigan winter. It was stunning and frightening as I was just a kid and hand no idea life could be so hard for them.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16641791 - 08/03/12 10:55 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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If I can't change the other's suffering, I would rather be ignorant of it. Too much concentration on pain is only going to be bad for you.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16641794 - 08/03/12 10:55 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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"bad"? How so?
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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russian_doll_fetus
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16641811 - 08/03/12 11:00 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Vore said:
The beauty isn't in the suffering of animals, it's in the tools they acquire just trying to survive. A spider's web is a sinister invention, but its beautiful to look at. The Jesus lizard walks on water in order to escape predators. It's not beautiful when it gets eaten, but it is beautiful watching it escape. There's beauty in feats of strength and in the ingenuity of nature.
Beautiful.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16641923 - 08/03/12 11:24 PM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I was going to say something about optimists living longer but it looks like it's more balanced than I thought:
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"We came to a new understanding about happiness and health," said Martin, now a psychology professor at La Sierra University in Riverside. "One of the findings that really astounds people, including us, is that the Longevity Project participants who were the most cheerful and had the best sense of humor as kids lived shorter lives, on average, than those who were less cheerful and joking. It was the most prudent and persistent individuals who stayed healthiest and lived the longest."
Part of the explanation lies in health behaviors -- the cheerful, happy-go-lucky kids tended to take more risks with their health across the years, Friedman noted. While an optimistic approach can be helpful in a crisis, "we found that as a general life-orientation, too much of a sense that 'everything will be just fine' can be dangerous because it can lead one to be careless about things that are important to health and long life. Prudence and persistence, however, led to a lot of important benefits for many years. It turns out that happiness is not a root cause of good health. Instead, happiness and health go together because they have common roots."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110311153541.htm
At first glance it seems a bit contradictory to most of the studies on the subject:
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Research shows that how you perceive aging affects how long you will live. In a study of 660 people, those with more positive perceptions of their own aging lived an average of 7.5 years longer. This effect remained after other factors such as age, gender, income, loneliness and health status were controlled.
http://longevity.about.com/od/mentalfitness/p/positive_aging.htm
But they are two distinct phenomena. It seems there is a crux which changes by how Determinism | Laxity affects Happiness | Sadness and vise versa.
I feel like most people dwelling on negative aspects of life will be more prone to depression/anxiety which is a big hit on life expectancy. If you're looking at the negative underbelly of a situation, you may be empathizing on an intellectual level where the pain doesn't affect you. Or you might be empathizing with emotions, where you feel pain by seeing another being in pain. I think if you're constantly living like that, it can't be good.
I know in the past I've empathized too much with how people I'm talking to are feeling. I've been too aware of mild disturbances in them in response to the environment or something I am doing. This has made me a more anxious person over-all, and takes up too big a tax on my mental processes. I think too much energy was going into this for me, it made me a less dominant personality and I could have been allocating my mental resources else-where. Overall, it was bad for my well being, and needed to be limited.
I think if you can separate determination from mood, pessimism isn't all that bad. For instance, happy, well fed rats live shorter lives than rats who are constantly hungry. If it doesn't kill your will to live, observing tragedy in life might not be so bad. I think it's a slippery slope for most people though, and the more you take on that weight of observing pain and discomfort in life, the harder it becomes to support yourself.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16643008 - 08/04/12 03:57 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16643029 - 08/04/12 04:09 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think if you can separate determination from mood, pessimism isn't all that bad. For instance, happy, well fed rats live shorter lives than rats who are constantly hungry. If it doesn't kill your will to live, observing tragedy in life might not be so bad. I think it's a slippery slope for most people though, and the more you take on that weight of observing pain and discomfort in life, the harder it becomes to support yourself.
I'm not sure anymore that longevity is such a great thing. Survival may be overrated.
I mean if this world is really not to your liking. I think there are more people that feel this way than we might suspect but not everyone is talking.
The trouble with long life that I see is that most things of importance get stripped away as your mind deteriorates along with your ability to use a useful body to do the things you love. I see a lot of people dying pretty unpleasantly in the old folks home or hospital. Maybe going early is a blessing for some. I no longer think of being dead as a curse. The fear of the unknown still lingers however.
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― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16643046 - 08/04/12 04:19 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I feel you, the trouble isn't really with a shortened lifespan in my eyes so much as the quality of life. I don't think many people can kill themselves, so dwelling on the suffering just makes the life experience worse.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Vore]
#16643079 - 08/04/12 04:41 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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True dat.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Icelander]
#16643137 - 08/04/12 05:24 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I've actually come across dozens of starved dead dear in one spot in a particularly extreme Michigan winter. It was stunning and frightening as I was just a kid and hand no idea life could be so hard for them.
And then you knew Santa wasn't coming that year. 
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: Mycowlogist]
#16643139 - 08/04/12 05:25 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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Eat it!
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usulpsychonaut
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: King Klick]
#16645745 - 08/05/12 07:07 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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US copyright laws won't let me view 
I'm glad you like the scene too tho. 
The fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? The u.s. is turning into germany 
Don't you mean China?
germany isn't as bad, but bad.
Yeah true, no home schooling allowed, got to keep their eyes on those Nazis or they'd burst forth like fungus.
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In every winter there's a different cold
in every winter I feel so old
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LunarEclipse
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russian_doll_fetus said:
What I'm interested to know, and what I originally intended the discussion to be, is how is it that I simultaneously felt the "AAAW THAT'S SO FUCKING CUTE" emotion, and the desire to smash that fucker for no particular reason. It was a strange juxtaposition, as the "aw it's cute" part of me would have been very sad to see the poor thing brutally bludgeoned to death just for fun, and the smash part of me was calling the cute emotion a major pussy.
I just find it fascinating that I have the ability to feel such polar opposite feelings at the same time, and I'm wondering if you guys ever have such strongly opposing instincts.
Well, nobodies perfect...
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16649547 - 08/05/12 09:57 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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i don't think i could ever hurt a bunny.
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Re: Do you cuddle the rabbit or bludgeon it to death? [Re: millzy]
#16649575 - 08/05/12 10:02 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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That's because you've never really been hungry.
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