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Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems.
    #16645655 - 08/05/12 06:07 AM (9 months, 7 days ago)

It seems to be a fairly common occurence by the same people who continue to make ad hominems in peoples comments, how about some reprimand for such continued occurrences?

I think it is just as ban-worthy as posting an ad hominem about someone in a post. If not then what the fuck is the difference?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #16646732 - 08/05/12 01:13 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

What's the purpose of ratings if you can't make ad-hominem remarks (positive or negative) in them?

Ratings consisting of only rude remarks or goatse pics are sometimes moderated; you can use the notification function if you come across one that you think is inappropriate. But in my experience, ratings are seldomly moderated. And so they should.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16646805 - 08/05/12 01:32 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

How can you leave your rating of a person without it being about them? :cuckoo:


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Cutless]
    #16647069 - 08/05/12 02:28 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Simple, refrain from using personal insults. There are rules about that in the forums aren't there?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16647185 - 08/05/12 02:57 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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Simple, refrain from using personal insults. There are rules about that in the forums aren't there?



If you can't take someone calling you a faggot or whatever, maybe opting-out would be the route to go? I mean you're rating a person, and if you're rating them negatively that negative opinion was probably built up over a period of time. Making your rating of them a rebuttal to everything they've said that you disagree with is crazy, nobody has that sort of time, so it's bound to get personal.

As for the rules, hell if I or anybody else knows. Some mods say obscene ratings are grounds for warning while others say as long as it contains a reason and isn't excessively obscene it's all gravy.
I wish the admins would step in already.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Cutless]
    #16647298 - 08/05/12 03:24 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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If you can't take someone calling you a faggot or whatever, maybe opting-out would be the route to go? I mean you're rating a person, and if you're rating them negatively that negative opinion was probably built up over a period of time. Making your rating of them a rebuttal to everything they've said that you disagree with is crazy, nobody has that sort of time, so it's bound to get personal.

As for the rules, hell if I or anybody else knows. Some mods say obscene ratings are grounds for warning while others say as long as it contains a reason and isn't excessively obscene it's all gravy.
I wish the admins would step in already.




Here is what that equates too:

If someone can't take being raped then they should probably stay off the streets. Right? :rolleyes:

:lol:

We can obviously rate people how we like, yet calling names is a childs game.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16647433 - 08/05/12 03:48 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I'm surprised to see such a blatant fallacy from someone who frequents the philosoraptor forum.

Words don't physically harm, rape does. Words only hold power if you allow them to, Bubba holds power whether you want his dick your virgin ass or not. :razz:


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Cutless]
    #16647503 - 08/05/12 04:03 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

:lol:

I guess it would be a bad analogy, because they don't directly cause physical harm, although they can and have indirectly. They both can cause emotional harm.

It is called cyberbullying.

Admittedly It is more of a common occurrence for adolescents then adults.

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We define cyberbullying as: "Cyberbullying is when someone repeatedly harasses, mistreats, or makes fun of another person online or while using cell phones or other electronic devices." Approximately 20% of the students in our sample admitted to cyberbullying others in their lifetimes. Posting mean or hurtful comments and spreading rumors online were the most commonly reported types of cyberbullying they reported during the previous 30 days. About 11% of the sample reported cyberbullying using one or more of the nine types reported, two or more times over the course of the previous 30 days.
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Cyberbullying does not just apply to children. There are adult groups dedicated to harassing and defaming others as well, along with websites created online specifically to make fun of and demean individuals. These people can be found in communities linked to blogs and chat rooms and they use the disguise of “anonymity” to harass their prey. Sometimes, these bullies will take their online squabbles offline and press people online to harass their prey's family and friends.
http://www.overcomebullying.org/cyberbullying.html





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Believe it or not, kids are not the only victims of cyberbullying. Adults can just as easily become prey to vicious internet attacks. Cyberbullying involves anyone who is targeted maliciously through any form of electronic access. Cyber bullies are simply cowards because they get to hide behind their hurtful words and anonymous user names. You'd think your high school days were behind you, along with all of the immaturity and hurtful teasing. Unfortunately, the world wide web has a way to take bullying to the next level. The following steps will give you some tools in fighting against this faceless form of bullying.

Read more: How to Fight Adult Cyberbullying | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_5270535_fight-adult-cyberbullying.html#ixzz22hkO76rW






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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix] * 2
    #16647817 - 08/05/12 05:04 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

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It is called cyberbullying.




That's what it's called today, sure...

Before, it was called stating an opinion...

If someone's a douchebag, I should be able to point out that they're a douchebag without providing evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of their douchebaggery...

That kind of thing doesn't belong in a post, of course, because it is necessarily off topic...in a rating, it is decidedly ON topic.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16647925 - 08/05/12 05:21 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

You can state an opinion without calling names. Does calling names make it better somehow?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16647938 - 08/05/12 05:23 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

If that's true, then show me...how would you state the opinion that someone is a douchebag without calling them names?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16647956 - 08/05/12 05:25 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I wouldn't call them a douchebag, because I don't know them. I would write why The argument sucks so bad for me to give them a bad rating.

There is a difference between productive and unproductive criticism.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16647989 - 08/05/12 05:31 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Is that the point?  To give constructive criticism? If it were, i doubt ratings would be publicly viewable...

I'm pretty sure that ratings are there to give other people a context with which to view a person's posts...If someone has a habit of posting idiocy, then their ratings will reflect that...And I don't have to waste too much time on that person...

I don't go to hotels that have terrible reviews on tripadvisor either.


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Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648043 - 08/05/12 05:40 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Is the point to circumvent the rules against ad hominems? I don't think so.

It isn't about neg rates or people being idiots, it is the manner in which it is addressed. I mean this is an adult forum, is it to much to ask people to at least act like an adult?


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648088 - 08/05/12 05:47 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

The fact is that ratings are personal...they are about the person...they are ad hominem.  It doesn't matter if you're saying "This dude is a smart guy" or "this dude is very rude"...both are ad hominem...

If you don't want ad hominems, then you don't want the rating system at all...and luckily, you have the option of opting out of that system.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648114 - 08/05/12 05:51 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Not really, it is about the posts they make and peoples opinions of those posts.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648126 - 08/05/12 05:52 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

If that were true, each post would have a rating...these are ratings of users...


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648136 - 08/05/12 05:53 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

Nah dude, they are opinions about peoples posts.


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: teknix]
    #16648150 - 08/05/12 05:55 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I see nothing to indicate that.  There are two types of ratings..."trade" and "general"...I don't see anything to support the thesis that general ratings are designed to be used to rate the quality of a person's posts.


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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"

Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"


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Re: Using ratings to abuse posters with ad hominems. [Re: Enlil]
    #16648163 - 08/05/12 05:57 PM (9 months, 6 days ago)

I don't see any people being rated, most of the time it is just posts that people are rated from, what about the person is being rated? You privy to peoples personal info or something?

What info do you really have to base a rating on other then what people post?


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