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 Doc_T
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Forget about popcorn, forget about LC. Both are old news and not helpful.
Agar work is a lot cheaper and easier than it looks, use that instead of LC. And rye instead of popcorn.
You can't really PC grains too long, I let half gallon jars go up to three hours sometimes.
As long as the PC doesn't run dry the grains won't change too much.
A full PC will take longer to get to full temperature, you need to preheat and vent the PC any time you use it.
But once you get up to full pressure, cook the jars your standard time, at least 90 mins for quarts.
The pressurized steam efficiently transfers the heat around and into the jars.
Allow the PC to cool naturally to zero pressure, and best to let it cool to room temp before opening.
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scarfaceofshrooms
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 Re: What about a Daily Q&A?  [Re: Doc_T]
#16639107 - 08/03/12 12:35 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
Forget about popcorn, forget about LC. Both are old news and not helpful.
Agar work is a lot cheaper and easier than it looks, use that instead of LC. And rye instead of popcorn.
You can't really PC grains too long, I let half gallon jars go up to three hours sometimes.
As long as the PC doesn't run dry the grains won't change too much.
A full PC will take longer to get to full temperature, you need to preheat and vent the PC any time you use it.
But once you get up to full pressure, cook the jars your standard time, at least 90 mins for quarts.
The pressurized steam efficiently transfers the heat around and into the jars.
Allow the PC to cool naturally to zero pressure, and best to let it cool to room temp before opening.
Thanks!
I'll avoid popcorn.. but we don't got rye in my country hah
At least not the "whole rye" that you need as a substrate.
Guess I'll try WBS out.. Is this WBS btw? It doesn't look the same as the WBS pics I've seen here but it's "Wild Bird Seed" if you translate it.
Asking because I'm guessing it can't be just any kind of bird seed.. There's also different kinds of WBS.. like sunflower seeds.
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I have a question ..... What are some of the weirdest "substrates " that you have heard of for either cubes or whatever ? Kinda like the RR bra and bible tek lol 
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I have a question ..... What are some of the weirdest "substrates " that you have heard of for either cubes or whatever ? Kinda like the RR bra and bible tek lol
I never really heard of weird substrates but tested some by myself years ago when I had no idea of what I do.
I've grown Cubes on peanuthull(didn't work out well), Paper(worked relativly good, but with woodlovers excelent.
Most stupid try I've read of was Cubes on pure Wood.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: CryptZPF]
#16639232 - 08/03/12 01:07 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Doc_T : Only LCs or GLCs as well?
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Doc_T
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Scarface, that would work.
You might find whole grain rye or wheat or oats at an animal feed store, like for farms.
You might also find any or all of those at a health food store.
SimpleFarmer, that's a fun question. My favorite is another by RR, he grew shrooms on a qp of dank weed.
Recommended reading:
Yesterday I told several people they should read TMC. If you haven't, do so.
Today's reading is closer and shorter. Thanks to Slayer1024 for reminding us of Stonesun's awesome Comprehensive Sclerotia Guide.
If you haven't read it yet, go read it now. If you've read it before, go read it now. 
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639279 - 08/03/12 01:17 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Doc_T : Only LCs or GLCs as well?
When I rant about LC I mean sugar LC from spores.
Grain LC, myceliated water, is a much safer course.
Another option is to use sugar LC but start it from agar wedges- andymc does it like that.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639286 - 08/03/12 01:18 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Edited by SimpleFarmer (08/03/12 01:22 PM)
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scarfaceofshrooms
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Is G2G still a good tek? It seems so easy so I would prefer that over agar if it's good 
It's hard to know what to do because everyone encourages to search for most info so it's not repeated..
But when searching you find a lot of old info.
I wrote down a long plan on how I'm going to grow with popcorn, lc and SGFC's from RR's tek.
But I'm finding out now that all of that is old now and not recommended. So I have to redo a lot of my planning.
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Spores->agar->grain->g2g is the ultimate tek. 
When you search, search from the Main Search Page.
From there you can choose to see just one result per thread, and to sort by date to get the newest info first.
You do want a SGFC.
You want to fruit cakes in it, make them like in RR's video.
For a first grow that offers the best chance of success.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639415 - 08/03/12 01:46 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks to Slayer1024 for reminding[/url] us of Stonesun's awesome Comprehensive Sclerotia Guide.
Indeed.
This topic is worthy of a sub-forum IMO.
I think having this thread will cut back a lot on the # of threads that start out as questions and morph into grow-logs, sending people to the proper place for grow-logs and pornpics, accumulating more viewers in board 30 and less clutter here.
Kudos, Doc.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639424 - 08/03/12 01:49 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Big time thanks Doc_T!
You're awesome
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639434 - 08/03/12 01:50 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Doc_T : Only LCs or GLCs as well?
Another option is to use sugar LC but start it from agar wedges- andymc does it like that.
More people ought to. It's super easy and you can take as large a wedge as you would to inoculate grain. This one I made for looks, no ge, no agitator.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: Doc_T]
#16639640 - 08/03/12 02:25 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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aside from proper hydration and and FAE... what can I do, if anything, to get the best yield possible once I introduce fruiting?
Aside from proper hydration and and FAE, the next most important factors would be light and leaving it alone, imho.
After that, genetics comes into play, and if you had a genetic isolate you could fine tune the substrate.
But light is next after air and water.
Next after that of course is earth, or more specifically, gypsum.
Ah, Thanks.. Was wondering what the use of gypsum is.
Was tempted to skip adding that in a WBS prep tek I'm reading.
But I'm not sure what it is, I'm not American
I use a translator for things like this and then google for hits within my country to find them.
I found something that is a powder but it's apparently Plaster Mill. Description is "For gluing and repairing of gypsum".
There's also gypsum that looks like plates/discs. But I don't think that's what I should use because the tek I'm reading says I'm supposed to measure that into a tablespoon.
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Gypsum is a very useful product and you find it in a lot of forms.
But what you would prefer is garden gypsum, either in pellets or powder.
By the way, gypsum is calcium sulfate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsum
You'll see another material, calcium carbonate, used sometimes, as limestone flour or oyster shell.
The two substances are different, not interchangeable. You may not ever need limestone, but you might. You do want some gypsum if you can find it.
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#16639668 - 08/03/12 02:30 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Gypsum is a very useful product and you find it in a lot of forms.
But what you would prefer is garden gypsum, either in pellets or powder.
By the way, gypsum is calcium sulfate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsum
You'll see another material, calcium carbonate, used sometimes, as limestone flour or oyster shell.
The two substances are different, not interchangeable. You may not ever need limestone, but you might. You do want some gypsum if you can find it.
Pro-tip: Do not crumble & re-use drywall.
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Everything look okay? I have 2 different isolates going in these jar's. For some reason I inoculated pint jar's of WBS. I don't know it there're any pro or cons about using pint jars first, other than it'll colonize faster. Really I had a dozen of them and was sick of looking at them just sit. Pretty sure only one of these jar's were shook before the pic's.
    
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: x CiVil x]
#16639718 - 08/03/12 02:39 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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No real cons with those jars TMK, just that the wide-mouth jars are less effort to remove spawn from. I don't work on agar yet but that's looking awesome.
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Re: What about a Daily Q&A? [Re: x CiVil x]
#16639727 - 08/03/12 02:41 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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ZOMG!
Is that big slices of agar covered with rhizomorphic mycelium?? 
I like pints for grain masters, easy to handle and pour.
And I use them for GLC donor jars as well. So I usually have some pints in operation.
Most people don't use as big of a slice, more like dime to quarter size, half an inch to an inch, or 1-2 cm.
And usually that piece gets cut into several smaller fragments and then shaken around in the jar.
But those should colonize just fine. Have you done this before?
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#16639778 - 08/03/12 02:51 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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No this is my first time. Right after I inoculated the grain master, I remembered I should've cut them up like a pizza. lol
I'll make them smaller next time. ^_^
I took the clone from the meaty part of the cap. I also transfered two wedges of each clone iso to another dish, after they grow out I'll transfer to a slant. Just a lot of studding before I finally got agar. It's pretty intimidating at first but now it's the best ever. lol
I agree with what you said about the pint jar's. With this being my first time, I wanted to make sure the grain was sterilized really good so I went with a smaller amount.
EDIT- Yes, it's a big piece of rhizo agar.
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