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HalluciNate
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[SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

#16622937 - 07/31/12 04:49 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

So I was thinking about DMT before I went to bed last night.

Many Users of DMT have related experiences.

Lets start by assuming these 2 points:

1.)DMT is a drug that takes your consciousness somewhere else.
2.)When you die copious amounts of DMT are released.

IMPORTANT:None of the above is backed by Scientific fact, it really hasn't been found out yet.

But if you believe that 1 & 2 are fact, please ponder the below questions.

So my question is: When you die, where does your consciousness go?

Does it stay in your body, are your just a human being hallucinating?

Is it flung across the universe? Does this mean a possible afterlife?

I googled "DMT relesing when you die" and this is what I found:http://www.mysticbanana.com/scientifically-does-the-surge-of-dmt-released-upon-death-provide-real-proof-of-the-likelihood-of-an-afterlife.html

I'm really not leaning on this issue any certain way, just sparked a little bit of curiosity in my mind last night.

Feel free to state your opinion or post anything related to this tread.

Thanks Everyone. :biggrin:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16622960 - 07/31/12 04:53 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

DMT is not released in large amounts when you die. That is a myth. There is also no evidence suggesting it makes your consciousness go somewhere else. Consciousness is a property of an active brain, and when you die, your consciousness ceases to exist.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16622980 - 07/31/12 04:57 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

End thread.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16622993 - 07/31/12 05:00 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Any sources that confirms its a myth?

Many people report seeing similar things on DMT.

Outer Space seems to be where your consciousness goes.

Consciousness in terms of:The state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623065 - 07/31/12 05:14 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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Any sources that confirms its a myth?

Seeing as how you made the original claim, whose responsibility do YOU think it is to provide backing?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623337 - 07/31/12 06:01 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Any sources that confirms its a myth?

Seeing as how you made the original claim, whose responsibility do YOU think it is to provide backing?

"Dimethyltryptamine, or “DMT,” is a chemical produced in the pineal gland (between the two hemispheres of your brain) that is released in great quantities when you are born and when you die. "

Source:http://www.evolver.net/user/internalcloud/blog/dmt_and_beauty_delirium

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623352 - 07/31/12 06:02 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

While I am sure you mean well, a blog is not a valid source.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623357 - 07/31/12 06:03 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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So my question is: When you die, where does your consciousness go?

When I smash a CD, where does the music go?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623396 - 07/31/12 06:07 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Sh-hit.

Time, to make this thread Hypothetical.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623427 - 07/31/12 06:11 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

So you want to discuss what happens based on erroneous information? What would be the point?

Let's discuss what the world would be like without gravity and if there was only one gender.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623444 - 07/31/12 06:12 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
So you want to discuss what happens based on erroneous information? What would be the point?

Let's discuss what the world would be like without gravity and if there was only one gender.

If you don't like the thread,

Leave.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623457 - 07/31/12 06:14 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Ummmm... no!

What is there to like? At least you failed to answer a simple question. I can see you will be a valuable & contributing member here.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623481 - 07/31/12 06:17 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

They are right. You can speculate all you want but nothing suggests either of the claims. Sometimes we must realize that what we want to be true is not what is actually true. If you can gather any evidence for either of your claims then we can discuss this further.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623497 - 07/31/12 06:19 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

I said I wasn't really leaning any which way on the topic.

But, what do you think happens when you die OrgoneConclusion?

Thanks for the post The_Aviator.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623535 - 07/31/12 06:25 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quid pro quo.

Still waiting for you to answer my question. Making me ask repeatedly is not conducive to discussion nor will it make you any new friends.

So far we have a dozen posts, zero content and you want to continue the trend. :nonono:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623583 - 07/31/12 06:31 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

HalluciNate said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
So you want to discuss what happens based on erroneous information? What would be the point?

Let's discuss what the world would be like without gravity and if there was only one gender.

If you don't like the thread,

Leave.

I think when we die
We take our balls
And go home
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On
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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623603 - 07/31/12 06:34 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

What if you lose your balls while still alive?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623633 - 07/31/12 06:39 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
What if you lose your balls while still alive?

you can’t die without balls, where the fuck would you go?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623637 - 07/31/12 06:40 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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So my question is: When you die, where does your consciousness go?

When I smash a CD, where does the music go?

Oh shit, if you meant this question I didn't see it.

This question really makes me think.

The music is still on the CD. The CD still holds the information, but no longer has the ability to play it.

If the brain dies, the information is still in your brain. But the brain, no longer living, doesn't have the ability to do anything with it. All your memory enzymes just sit in a lifeless skull.

But if, let me add another if for you,IF DMT is released upon death, and in a large quantity. Could a human mind achieve a loss of time and forever be lost in its own working? Until the enzymes and matter eventually breakdown and decompose.

Sorry about that, I thought you were talking about your question before that.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623655 - 07/31/12 06:43 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Trypppy said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
What if you lose your balls while still alive?

you can’t die without balls, where the fuck would you go?

A bowling alley? :shrug:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623667 - 07/31/12 06:44 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

HalluciNate said:
Any sources that confirms its a myth?

Many people report seeing similar things on DMT.

Outer Space seems to be where your consciousness goes.

Consciousness in terms of:The state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.

Bull shit. I've done it many times and never went to outer space. :curbyourenthusiasm:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623673 - 07/31/12 06:46 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

Trypppy said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
What if you lose your balls while still alive?

you can’t die without balls, where the fuck would you go?

A bowling alley?

problem solved. If DMT is released in large quantities when you die, you will spend eternity in a bowling alley. Now I can rest easy :cheers:

I don’t like the assumptions made by OP, so I shall take my leave.
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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623695 - 07/31/12 06:48 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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HalluciNate said:
All your memory enzymes just sit in a lifeless skull.

I take memory enzyme supplements.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16623766 - 07/31/12 06:58 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
What if you lose your balls while still alive?

This. You become Belda Beast. And have a really annoying sig. And low T and man boobs.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16624063 - 07/31/12 07:47 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Come on guys, he gets his knowledge from a website called 'mystic banana'. At least try and be kind.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16624148 - 07/31/12 08:00 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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So my question is: When you die, where does your consciousness go?

When I smash a CD, where does the music go?

It doesn't disappear if there's another CD with the same music on it.

What uncharted territory are you going with this consciousness is like a CD?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16624175 - 07/31/12 08:06 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

CD or human gets destroyed then information is lost. It doesn't go to another plane of existence.

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#16624192 - 07/31/12 08:09 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Your argument doesn't make any sense, the information on the CD is not lost. Your argument supports the opposite of what you contend. :cheers:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16624737 - 07/31/12 09:54 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Another question:

Is a CD conscious of its own existence?

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16624985 - 07/31/12 10:45 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Another question: Is that a really stoopid question?

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#16624994 - 07/31/12 10:47 PM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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Icelander said:
Another question: Is that a really stoopid question?

perhaps the cd can tell us the answer.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16625668 - 08/01/12 01:11 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
CD or human gets destroyed then information is lost. It doesn't go to another plane of existence.

If black hole is to human, as human is to CD, information is not lost.

Information is not lost.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16625714 - 08/01/12 01:22 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Nice commingling of two separate definitions of information. This only displays ignorance and not cleverness.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16625722 - 08/01/12 01:26 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

I generally assume the spark of consciousness dies as well.

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KGB Is Go said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
CD or human gets destroyed then information is lost. It doesn't go to another plane of existence.

If black hole is to human, as human is to CD, information is not lost.

Information is not lost.

Yeah, Hawking Radiation . . . hmmmm . . . .

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16625739 - 08/01/12 01:30 AM (9 months, 16 days ago)

Best way to roast a marshmellow. :onfire:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16645635 - 08/05/12 05:56 AM (9 months, 12 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Nice commingling of two separate definitions of information. This only displays ignorance and not cleverness.

Ease up. You're right though. And I was trying to be a bit clever (even though I wasn't entirely serious when I posted), so I suppose I deserved it.

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I was listening to Thomas Campbell when he touched on death re: information. He said something along the lines of:

"In information systems, dying means you end up with no information. It dissolves. It loses it's order, structure, meaning and significance."

I agree and so I think you're analogy with the CD is good. That said, one might argue that some of the information contained within the vessel (human or otherwise) is transferred to the environment during it's life with the legacy being stored in memory somehow. Thus, there is some essence of continuity for the information (still on the same plane though).

Then, if we were interested in hypotheticals (which we probably aren't...), one might conceive of the ability to image the human brain/body (as a CD is burned) and inject it into a virtual reality, thus producing consciousness (albeit virtual). Depending on your definition of consciousness, this may represent a transcendence of death. Point being that if the CD is burned prior to being smashed, the music may continue on (as pointed out by falcon). An important difference, I'd argue, is that this continuity is on another plane (subjectively, for the cloned consciousness/information system), as the entity would exist, for all intents and purposes, quite separate from our realm. That is, until it understood the nature of its existence/being and managed to communicate/interact with our realm. BUT, that's just a hypothetical and I don't know of its possibility or likelihood and thus its relevance. I only mentioned it because I recently read Permutation City by Greg Egan (cool book!).

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Consciousness is a property of an active brain, and when you die, your consciousness ceases to exist.

I suppose I agree with this, although I think there's a little more to it. I tend to think of consciousness as a field which animates matter (in different ways, depending on the chemistry). There's an intelligence to this field which drives evolution. Nature, as a novelty conserving engine (as McKenna would put it), is the means by which this field evolves. When we 'die', 'our' consciousness (that is our unique, individuated point of observation and perception as a result of an active human brain) and our identity is indeed all but lost; although it has contributed to the overall field and as part of that field will re-emerge within the material universe once more, though not necessarily in human form (perhaps not even within our universe *shrug*), as an agent and as part of the strategy for the evolution of the field.

The above may not be strictly measurable, but I don't think it's quite merely a spiritual belief. As a theoretical model I think it fits the data well. Anyone, please point out where it's off though.

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16645800 - 08/05/12 07:42 AM (9 months, 11 days ago)

What about quantum entanglement or "spooky action at a distance" ?

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Subatomic particles do it. Now the observation that groups of brain cells seem to have their own version of quantum entanglement, or "spooky action at a distance", could help explain how our minds combine experiences from many different senses into one memory.

Previous experiments have shown that the electrical activity of neurons in separate parts of the brain can oscillate simultaneously at the same frequency – a process known as phase locking. The frequency seems to be a signature that marks out neurons working on the same task, allowing them to identify each other.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18371-brain-entanglement-could-explain-memories.html

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

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#16647132 - 08/05/12 02:44 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

information cannot be destroyed ever.

The theory I like to stand behind is that the universe is consciousness spread over a possibly infinite space. When life is created this consciousness is pin pointed and allows for experience to happen. When we die awareness can remain intact but it is spread back through which it came, the universe!

check out this video, I liked it!

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#16647156 - 08/05/12 02:50 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

It's an appealing belief. :shrug:

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#16647191 - 08/05/12 02:58 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Most people would like to think awareness remains intact some way or another :shrug:

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#16647265 - 08/05/12 03:16 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Death anxiety relief. :haha:

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#16647978 - 08/05/12 05:30 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

Yup, come on in the water's nice!!!! :awethumb:

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Re: [SHROOMERY DISCUSSION] Death, DMT, and the Afterlife.

[Re: HalluciNate]
#16649384 - 08/05/12 09:35 PM (9 months, 11 days ago)

I think you posted this in the wrong forum, friend :tongue:

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In old age Diogenes stopped a veteran and asked, “What were you in the last war?”
“Oh, I was only a private,” replied the veteran.
Diogenes rocked as if about to fall. “Ye gods!” he gasped. “At last!” Then after catching his breath he blew out his lantern and went home.
-Osho

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