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 OICU812
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Has anyone tried Stamet's? He has access to some special stuff that most do not like antibiotics for agar.
Just a thought, maybe worth a try.
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 field9
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 Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent  [Re: Terry M]
#16620729 - 07/31/12 08:37 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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You can get by with without a full lab. You should have a proper mask, goggles and skin protection. Chlorine, after all, was a chemical weapon. Chlorine, ethanol, and water to make chloral hydrate, but I'll be damned if I'll post the synthesis for something like that: it'd be irresponsible.
If your truly not up to no good, I say contact the DEA and apply for a permit. They will likely help. I know a lady that gets a controlled compound via a permit: she's totally above the board, though.
Land of the free, my ass...
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Javadog
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: field9]
#16621285 - 07/31/12 11:38 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
field9 said:
<SNIP>
Land of the free, my ass...
QFT.
Read a "Popular Mechanics" magazine from the 60's some time.
Half that shit is illegal today.
Jefferson had the ability to see the future....everywhere Liberty will decrease.
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Terry M
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: field9]
#16621446 - 07/31/12 12:18 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
field9 said:
You can get by with without a full lab. You should have a proper mask, goggles and skin protection. Chlorine, after all, was a chemical weapon. Chlorine, ethanol, and water to make chloral hydrate, but I'll be damned if I'll post the synthesis for something like that: it'd be irresponsible.
If your truly not up to no good, I say contact the DEA and apply for a permit. They will likely help. I know a lady that gets a controlled compound via a permit: she's totally above the board, though.
If you really want to make chloral hydrate yourself, directions may be found from a Google search. I will not post the link, of course.
Chlorate hydrate is a DEA Schedule IV substance, a relatively low classification which includes Darvon and Xanax. It shouldn't be impossible to get a permit for this, though you would certainly get the third degree about it (or maybe just the fourth degree  ). It would probably need to be renewed on a regular basis. In any case, I'm sure you are absolutely prohibited from giving or selling it to any third party not registered with the DEA.
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OICU812
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: Javadog]
#16624085 - 07/31/12 07:51 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
Javadog said:
Quote:
field9 said:
<SNIP>
Land of the free, my ass...
QFT.
Read a "Popular Mechanics" magazine from the 60's some time.
Half that shit is illegal today.
Jefferson had the ability to see the future....everywhere Liberty will decrease.
JD
Janis Joplin had a pretty good concept of our modern day freedom too: "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
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are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." - Douglas Adams
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learn from no other" - my Grandmother
Forget injuries, never forget kindnesses. - Confucius
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johnm214
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: field9]
#16624317 - 07/31/12 08:29 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
field9 said:
I'll be damned if I'll post the synthesis for something like that: it'd be irresponsible.
Yes, you never know what people will do with information. They might stain fungi, or take drugs, OMG!
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The Lightning
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: johnm214]
#16624334 - 07/31/12 08:33 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yes, you never know what people will do with information. They might stain fungi, or take drugs, OMG!
x2!
If our nations would just start seeing the good in people and invite them to partake in science, I'm confident we would do more than find new challenges. We would find new solutions.
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: Terry M]
#17404749 - 12/17/12 12:21 AM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Chloral hydrate can be downright impossible to obtain if you are in the US. The DEA and its regulation make it an unreasonable operating liability to try to obtain chloral hydrate for use. Due to procurement problems, Rutgers University scientists have developed a working substitute for chloral hydrate for use in microscopy, known as Visikol (wikipedia). It is available for sale at their website Visikol. Their website has a bunch of pictures, seems to be applicable for a number of applications.
They have some pictures of downy mildew infecting basil, stained with I2/KI, seems like a Melzer's equivalent.
Hope this helps fellow shroomers!
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lipa
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It's not hard to get. Just go to your local mushroom society and ask around. Usually there is someone from the universities or a lab that will make the reagent up for you. It is not illegal to use it for the right purposes.
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malicom
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: lipa]
#17460752 - 12/28/12 02:11 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
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this is a modern substitute for chloral hydrate.
http://www.visikol.com/
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Terry M
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: malicom]
#17461753 - 12/28/12 05:45 PM (5 months, 16 days ago) |
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malicom said:
this is a modern substitute for chloral hydrate.
http://www.visikol.com/
See this post.
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Re: Goddamn Melzer's Reagent [Re: lipa]
#17493897 - 01/03/13 10:28 PM (5 months, 10 days ago) |
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lipa said:
It is not illegal to use it for the right purposes.
I don't think the controlled substances act has a provision that allows you to use illegal drugs for "the right purposes". That would be nice though. I have never heard of anyone getting busted for Melzers though.
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Javadog
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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lipa said:
It is not illegal to use it for the right purposes.
I don't think the controlled substances act has a provision that allows you to use illegal drugs for "the right purposes". That would be nice though. I have never heard of anyone getting busted for Melzers though.
Besides, the days where anyone looked at Chloral Hydrate as anything
recreational are long, long past....at least in my part of the world.
We are just so much better at making rules for others to follow than
we are at deleting laws from the books that have run their course.
JD
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