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 Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome 
#16611840 - 07/29/12 07:06 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I've been using 100% horse manure for a while and it's worked pretty well so far but I'm about to start cloning and by the time I have a good isolate I want to have a nice substrate ready for it.
I was thinking about using spent coffee grounds. I drink a lot of coffee so could I just stick the grinds in a tupperware and put them in the freezer? And just keep adding to that until I have enough and throw them in with my substrate when I pasteurize?
I was also thinking about adding some verm and straw.
Questions
1.) Would storing the coffee grinds in the freezer be okay?
2.) Do I just throw everything in together when I pasteurize it? (I use the pillow case method.)
So something like... Manure, straw, coffee grounds, worm castings, verm.
Anything else? how
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Project]
#16611904 - 07/29/12 07:18 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hi,
I dry my spent coffee in the oven. Freezer will do but moist coffee contam very fast so unfreeze and pasteurize the same day.
I would first cut my straw, then I would soak it overnight.
The next morning I would mix my horse manure, gypsum and coffee together and bring to field capacity.
After, I would add my hydrated straw to the mix and pasteurize in jars like we do for casing layer mix.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: BlackPeace]
#16611940 - 07/29/12 07:23 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'd like to have something I can just mix and pasteurize all at the same time. You know, a sub-in-a-bag kind of thing.
What could I mix that would allow me to do this? Could I throw in some worm castings?
Would the verm be okay for moisture retention or does straw work better? Or both?
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Project]
#16611950 - 07/29/12 07:23 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'd start with verm or straw before anything else.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Doc_T]
#16611970 - 07/29/12 07:27 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Okay.. I'm assuming both are superior to either individually?
If I were using the pillowcase method like Roadkill does in his hpoo tek, could I throw in cut up straw? And the verm too? And coffee grounds?
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Project]
#16611983 - 07/29/12 07:29 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'd assume you could pasteurize a manure mix in any way that works with straight manure.
But I don't really know because I don't do it that way.
Verm would be my first choice, just for texture. Shredded straw would add a lot of nutrition and moisture retention.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Doc_T]
#16612007 - 07/29/12 07:34 PM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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I'd skip the coffee grounds. They're very acidic and have a tendency to cause contams.
Add in either coir, verm or straw. These will be your best bet.
Personally, I like about 50% hpoo, 25% coir, 15% straw and 10% worm castings, and I dissolve a couple crushed-up B complex vitamins into the water I use to hydrate it. I never actually measure, BTW, these proportions are estimates.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: 36fuckin5]
#16613926 - 07/30/12 12:50 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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As far as I know coffee is good also because it's acidic. I'm not a PH expert at all but I think you can have better yield with more acidic substrate (might be false for other species than Shiitake).
If you want to skip the straw part you may try Coir with vermiculite.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: BlackPeace]
#16614076 - 07/30/12 01:15 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Coffee is good because it's high in nitrogen. It needs pH balanced if you're gonna use it.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: 36fuckin5]
#16614227 - 07/30/12 01:38 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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The more stuff you add to the mix the better it will be. Verm, coir, worm castings, coffee, straw, and dont forget gypsum 
As for the ratios i would say that's up to you. When i use worm castings i like to mix it with verm usually 1:2 (1 verm to 2 worm castings) Other wise they get muddy. I've never messed with coffee since i dont drink of it to make it worth my time.
While i was writing this remembered this thread so i will share with you:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11438556
Full of great info
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: 36fuckin5]
#16615083 - 07/30/12 07:48 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah I know coffee is high In nitrogen but as mycelium prefer slightly acidic substrate, the acidic side of the coffee helps.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: BlackPeace]
#16616900 - 07/30/12 04:44 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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How do I go about storing my own coffee grounds? I drink at least a pot of coffee a day.
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Re: Wanting to try adding ingredients to horse manure. Help would be awesome [Re: Project]
#16618209 - 07/30/12 08:35 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Still searching how to keep your coffee?
"I dry my spent coffee in the oven. Freezer will do but moist coffee contam very fast so unfreeze and pasteurize the same day."
Keep it in a plastic container until you need it.
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