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 palmersc
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#16605914 - 07/28/12 02:35 PM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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Grace. Grace is getting what we don't deserve. It is God bestowing on his enemies the riches of His kindness and love. We are rebels by nature, we are self seeking at our core and believe we can do just fine without God. Until we see our need for grace, we will continue on in bondage to self and hostility to God. We are blind in our sickness and cannot receive the healing God provides to the humble.
Jesus put it this way: “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
God's patience with us as we spit in His face is grace. Today is the day of salvation, for the thread of grace which keeps those who despise God alive today may be cut off tomorrow.
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How do I differentiate between what God does and doesn't want? Why am I a rebel? I never remember signing up. I feel almost all my actions are dominated by my emotions, which don't seem to be under 'my' control.
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God's Word, the Bible, is the indictment against us. If you want to know God and His will, you cannot separate it from His Word. The truth is not within us and we are void of any truth apart from God imparting it to us.
Our rebellious nature goes back to the beginning. Our earliest ancestors, Adam and Eve, thrust mankind into rebellion which has been passed down to us. No we didn't sign up, and sin to us is like water to a fish, but that doesn't excuse us because there is redemption in Jesus. He paid the price we could not. He offers us grace if we acknowledge our need.
God's grace delivers us and sets us free from what we are enslaved to, be it our emotions, our passions, our lusts, or our pride. Grace enables us to freely do what is right.
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What is right?
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God's Word.
Jesus is that Word which took on flesh. The mystery is God dwelt with us as a man to show us what is right. He became like us so we could be like Him.
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I like your interpretation.
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It is a mystery indeed!
All stroking of the ego and our puny understanding of this mystery aside, this remains: Jesus did not die a gruesome death and suffer under the full fury of God's wrath for no reason. He paid our debt out of love, and His sacrifice calls for us to forsake the things which will pave our way to hell, and become servants ourselves.
A very real transaction took place on the cross, and if we neglect this great gift of grace, we will perish in eternity.
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How does one not neglect this great gift of grace?
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By asking God to reveal it to you. Honestly willing to do whatever it takes to take hold of this grace. It is quite simple to receive it, but often bloody, as in this war between good and evil there is no resistance to walking down the wide path to destruction. As soon as you turn to the path less traveled, expect all hell to break loose.
If we see no need, that all is well apart from God, He will allow you to enjoy whatever empty pleasures you wish to for a season. Soon to meet Him face to face and answer to Him for rejecting His grace and living for yourself.
If you are apathetic and disinterested, ask God to even remedy this, because He will answer those who wish to know Him. He is not hiding.
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How can I tell the good side from the bad?
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By that I mean, I've traveled down paths that I assumed were good, but turned out to be a dead end.
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Cool post
But I disagree that truth is not within us, because imo it's contrary. Imo truth is very intimate, the very core of our being because it's only thing you can be 100% sure of - your own existence.
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This is found in the book of Proverbs, maybe a good place to begin reading through in the Bible. It was penned by the wisest man to ever live, it is the wisdom book in the Bible:
"There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death." - Proverbs 14:12
Our mind is darkened apart from God's revealing light. We by nature are like cockroaches who scurry into the darkness. We stumble around in the darkness depending on our natural discernment when we do what seems best in the moment. If you are willing to let the light shine on you and let the Great Physician do His work, honestly taking inventory in light of what God's Word shows you, He will honor you and gladly show you what is good.
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Why is man created with inferior judging abilities?
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Grace is important but you're acting as if God wants us to fear him, praise him, look up to him. And you have no proof of anything happening after death. If I was God, I would want my creation to enjoy itself, not spend years worrying about this shit, and I would completely understand if it didn't believe in me. Also, the LAST thing I would want, is millions upon millions of people bothering with their meaningless problems (pray).
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“Oh, I was only a private,” replied the veteran.
Diogenes rocked as if about to fall. “Ye gods!” he gasped. “At last!” Then after catching his breath he blew out his lantern and went home.
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Re: Grace [Re: lolwut]
#16607762 - 07/28/12 09:27 PM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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I assume you're responding to the other d00d, but if not, I never claimed any of that. 
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Quote:
palmersc said:
This is found in the book of Proverbs, maybe a good place to begin reading through in the Bible. It was penned by the wisest man to ever live, it is the wisdom book in the Bible:
"There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death." - Proverbs 14:12
Our mind is darkened apart from God's revealing light. We by nature are like cockroaches who scurry into the darkness. We stumble around in the darkness depending on our natural discernment when we do what seems best in the moment. If you are willing to let the light shine on you and let the Great Physician do His work, honestly taking inventory in light of what God's Word shows you, He will honor you and gladly show you what is good.
Love the proverb man! That being said, I disagree with everything you have posted thus far. You have no way of knowing any of it. Or do you? How do you know god dammit?
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It's because we can create meaning in our mind, find coincidence where there is none, and interpret things in many ways. Really, anything one thing can be interpreted in millions of ways. This leads to a trap IMO. We find emotional comfort when our ideas match up with scripture of this or that ancient group of peoples, and it does feel fucking good, so fucking good that we think we have finally found 'truth'. But truth isn't something to grab onto and make an identity out of, even though we really want some sort of safety net in this madness.
I really liked Icelander's 'big mistake' thread in the philosophy section. Kind of what I'm trying to convey right now.
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Yep, my bad. 
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