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 Cause of suffering.. 
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Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16577890 - 07/24/12 02:39 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Youth cause suffering by needing to be raised. 
It's all suffering until one can just ignore it.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: pyrate999]
#16577907 - 07/24/12 02:45 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Youth cause suffering by needing to be raised.
Youth cause suffering because of those who raise us, who are also suffering..
It's all suffering until one can just ignore it.
But is it not ignorance that escalates suffering?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16577918 - 07/24/12 02:50 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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I don't know, awareness nowadays is kind of a pain in the ass. Way too much nonsense. 
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: pyrate999]
#16577928 - 07/24/12 02:52 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Not as much pain in the ass as non-awareness.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16577934 - 07/24/12 02:55 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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You know what, you're right.
Feels good to be aware of your point of view.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16577967 - 07/24/12 03:05 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Thought is responsible for most if not all suffering
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16578053 - 07/24/12 03:44 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Nowadays, it seems like stability causes the most suffering. Depression rates tend to be higher in well developed countries where the social system is great and people are well taken care of by their government. On the other hand, people in developing countries may have a simple life, but they seem to be happier in general compared to others.
Apparently the highest depression rate is in France! I don't know why that's the case, but maybe they worry too much about the future hmm
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16578057 - 07/24/12 03:46 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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There is no thought without mind, there is no mind without the body, there is no body without the heart, and there is no heart without love. Maybe our pain lies deeper than we imagine.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove] 5
#16578070 - 07/24/12 03:51 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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stickiness is responsible for both suffering and joy
some people call it clinging,
but everything about memory or connected-ness of ideas involves the tendency of things to stick.
it is only a problem when pain is associated with an idea.
I don't like to call it clinging because we do not have to grasp, want, hold, or contain the painful thing, it is connected automatically by memory or association.
we suffer because we seem to have little freedom within the waters of the mind in which each idea is linked to another, and the connections seem to be continuously engaging.
to evade suffering we need to learn to swim more freely in our minds.
occasionally we encounter free people, there is lots to learn from a person who understands suffering and the mind and how and when to detatch.
often we encounter fake free people - schizophrenics who think they have cracked the code to evade suffering by constantly changing the rules in their heads.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578080 - 07/24/12 03:55 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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I think it's mostly the situation. The basis of life is savage in itself. We must kill and devour lesser organisms to continue living. We must establish dominance over space and resources, and project this dominance to attract mates. Life is a fight, and the illusion that we are actually living out a life and not just quickly passing through this form keeps it brutal.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Vore] 1
#16578154 - 07/24/12 04:24 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Maybe that's exactly the kind of thought that is selfishly eating away at our earth's resources. Life doesn't continue just by it taking away, life must also provide. We are life, we must also provide. Cause of suffering: taking and not giving back.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578512 - 07/24/12 07:59 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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It is terrible and stupid behavior - 'taking and not giving back' - an error in our approach that will probably bring pain and loss, but it wont necessarily bring what we experience as 'suffering', and avoiding error wont remove suffering either.
You could say stupidity and error are an ongoing part of the crappy things going on.
Suffering, on the other hand, is the re-immersive experiencing of pain, even after the event that caused the pain has passed. Suffering is another term for mental illness, while stupidity in politics and life in general is part of the unsatisfactoriness of this existence. Stupidity and error are not sicknesses just imperfection.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578569 - 07/24/12 08:35 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
zZZz said:
There is no thought without mind, there is no mind without the body, there is no body without the heart, and there is no heart without love. Maybe our pain lies deeper than we imagine.
Can you explain how what you said isn't a load of crap?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16578594 - 07/24/12 08:48 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
stickiness is responsible for both suffering and joy
some people call it clinging,
but everything about memory or connected-ness of ideas involves the tendency of things to stick.
it is only a problem when pain is associated with an idea.
I don't like to call it clinging because we do not have to grasp, want, hold, or contain the painful thing, it is connected automatically by memory or association.
we suffer because we seem to have little freedom within the waters of the mind in which each idea is linked to another, and the connections seem to be continuously engaging.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16579148 - 07/24/12 12:38 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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He has got a point there, obviously a heart can exist without love, Icelander proofs that himself! Nigga ain't got no love lately
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But suffering also can be caused by the continuation of an error...
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16579259 - 07/24/12 01:08 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
zZZz said:
Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
"Do it for the children"
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
It is terrible and stupid behavior - 'taking and not giving back' - an error in our approach that will probably bring pain and loss, but it wont necessarily bring what we experience as 'suffering', and avoiding error wont remove suffering either.
Not to mention avoiding error is an impossibility 
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16579272 - 07/24/12 01:10 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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Nigga ain't got no love lately
For your pet religion and other irrational beliefs? Why should I? And how is telling my version of truth show a lack of love?
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