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 Cause of suffering.. 
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Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
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Youth cause suffering by needing to be raised. 
It's all suffering until one can just ignore it.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: pyrate999]
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Youth cause suffering by needing to be raised.
Youth cause suffering because of those who raise us, who are also suffering..
It's all suffering until one can just ignore it.
But is it not ignorance that escalates suffering?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
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I don't know, awareness nowadays is kind of a pain in the ass. Way too much nonsense. 
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: pyrate999]
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Not as much pain in the ass as non-awareness.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
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You know what, you're right.
Feels good to be aware of your point of view.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16577967 - 07/24/12 03:05 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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Thought is responsible for most if not all suffering
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
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Nowadays, it seems like stability causes the most suffering. Depression rates tend to be higher in well developed countries where the social system is great and people are well taken care of by their government. On the other hand, people in developing countries may have a simple life, but they seem to be happier in general compared to others.
Apparently the highest depression rate is in France! I don't know why that's the case, but maybe they worry too much about the future hmm
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16578057 - 07/24/12 03:46 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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There is no thought without mind, there is no mind without the body, there is no body without the heart, and there is no heart without love. Maybe our pain lies deeper than we imagine.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove] 5
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stickiness is responsible for both suffering and joy
some people call it clinging,
but everything about memory or connected-ness of ideas involves the tendency of things to stick.
it is only a problem when pain is associated with an idea.
I don't like to call it clinging because we do not have to grasp, want, hold, or contain the painful thing, it is connected automatically by memory or association.
we suffer because we seem to have little freedom within the waters of the mind in which each idea is linked to another, and the connections seem to be continuously engaging.
to evade suffering we need to learn to swim more freely in our minds.
occasionally we encounter free people, there is lots to learn from a person who understands suffering and the mind and how and when to detatch.
often we encounter fake free people - schizophrenics who think they have cracked the code to evade suffering by constantly changing the rules in their heads.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578080 - 07/24/12 03:55 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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I think it's mostly the situation. The basis of life is savage in itself. We must kill and devour lesser organisms to continue living. We must establish dominance over space and resources, and project this dominance to attract mates. Life is a fight, and the illusion that we are actually living out a life and not just quickly passing through this form keeps it brutal.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Vore] 1
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Maybe that's exactly the kind of thought that is selfishly eating away at our earth's resources. Life doesn't continue just by it taking away, life must also provide. We are life, we must also provide. Cause of suffering: taking and not giving back.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578512 - 07/24/12 07:59 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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It is terrible and stupid behavior - 'taking and not giving back' - an error in our approach that will probably bring pain and loss, but it wont necessarily bring what we experience as 'suffering', and avoiding error wont remove suffering either.
You could say stupidity and error are an ongoing part of the crappy things going on.
Suffering, on the other hand, is the re-immersive experiencing of pain, even after the event that caused the pain has passed. Suffering is another term for mental illness, while stupidity in politics and life in general is part of the unsatisfactoriness of this existence. Stupidity and error are not sicknesses just imperfection.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16578569 - 07/24/12 08:35 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
zZZz said:
There is no thought without mind, there is no mind without the body, there is no body without the heart, and there is no heart without love. Maybe our pain lies deeper than we imagine.
Can you explain how what you said isn't a load of crap?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16578594 - 07/24/12 08:48 AM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
stickiness is responsible for both suffering and joy
some people call it clinging,
but everything about memory or connected-ness of ideas involves the tendency of things to stick.
it is only a problem when pain is associated with an idea.
I don't like to call it clinging because we do not have to grasp, want, hold, or contain the painful thing, it is connected automatically by memory or association.
we suffer because we seem to have little freedom within the waters of the mind in which each idea is linked to another, and the connections seem to be continuously engaging.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16579148 - 07/24/12 12:38 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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He has got a point there, obviously a heart can exist without love, Icelander proofs that himself! Nigga ain't got no love lately
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But suffering also can be caused by the continuation of an error...
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16579259 - 07/24/12 01:08 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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zZZz said:
Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
"Do it for the children"
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It is terrible and stupid behavior - 'taking and not giving back' - an error in our approach that will probably bring pain and loss, but it wont necessarily bring what we experience as 'suffering', and avoiding error wont remove suffering either.
Not to mention avoiding error is an impossibility 
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16579272 - 07/24/12 01:10 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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Nigga ain't got no love lately
For your pet religion and other irrational beliefs? Why should I? And how is telling my version of truth show a lack of love?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
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Quote:
zZZz said:
Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
We fear not having that which we desire, and we desire to face and destroy our fears. Move beyond both pillars, they are the outer markers of the self, not it's limits.
What is there that doesn't cause us suffering ?, either by it's prominence in our lives or by it's sudden withdrawal, by it's absence, or it's impending appearance.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: tribesman]
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16579364 - 07/24/12 01:35 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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Nah man you show no love, it's all bitch sorry man that's just my opinion.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16579383 - 07/24/12 01:40 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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And what pet religion?
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
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Nah man you show no love, it's all bitch sorry man that's just my opinion.
Yup just your ignorant uneducated opinion.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
#16579794 - 07/24/12 03:11 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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He's tailing you like a dog now... Jesus..
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Quote:
zZZz said:
There is no thought without mind, there is no mind without the body, there is no body without the heart, and there is no heart without love. Maybe our pain lies deeper than we imagine.
Can you explain how what you said isn't a load of crap?
yea, it didn't come from you.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16580225 - 07/24/12 04:39 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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So in other words you can't.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander] 1
#16580308 - 07/24/12 04:51 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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there is no explaining, it's all love maaannn...
all we are missing is love, all we need is love...
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16580343 - 07/24/12 04:57 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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non-sense
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16580913 - 07/24/12 06:39 PM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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zZZz said:
Is because of our irresponsibility and our irresponsibility for our youth.
I'd say the reason is ignorance.
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practically the same thing.
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cause of suffering = worrying about stupid, pointless shit
at least that's been the predominant factor in my own life.
when i just let go and stop worrying about bullshit my life becomes so much better. it's almost like you NEED a healthy degree of apathy to be sane in this world.
eminem: just don't give a fuck
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16580951 - 07/24/12 06:44 PM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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zZZz said:
practically the same thing.
Irresponsibility (actions that perpetuate suffering) are a side product of ignorance IMO, so I partially agree with you.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16581047 - 07/24/12 06:58 PM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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I believe we have limited choice when to express thoughts, but its not our choice which thoughts and behavior patterns survive. Even if you cultivate good intentions, the world will still be bad and there's nothing that can stop that. It's nature of mind, not necessarily nature of physical forms.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
#16581068 - 07/24/12 07:03 PM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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nonono it's due to youth in asia
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Icelander]
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Oh ya, because you do have an education? With 20 posts a day about pointless useless shit, there is no way you ever found time to get past jr. high. Go get some more cheese fingers you jabba twat.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Kickle]
#16584374 - 07/25/12 06:07 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
Kickle said:
Quote:
redgreenvines said:
It is terrible and stupid behavior - 'taking and not giving back' - an error in our approach that will probably bring pain and loss, but it wont necessarily bring what we experience as 'suffering', and avoiding error wont remove suffering either.
Not to mention avoiding error is an impossibility
Avoiding error is just a difficult process, recognizing error and taking steps to diminish it. You cannot eliminate error (accidents, unpredictable things etc.)- but you can avoid and diminish it.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Vore]
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^^^ the first post to remember the answer.
Suffering has no cause, it is grace, a process, the best thing that ever happens to us. War, sickness, old age, crown of thorns and sweating blood, wear your suffering with pride or curled in fetal position. Long have I been in fetal position, may the pride awaken.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16584506 - 07/25/12 08:06 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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Oh ya, because you do have an education? With 20 posts a day about pointless useless shit, there is no way you ever found time to get past jr. high. Go get some more cheese fingers you jabba twat.
Again with the personalisms. Why not educate yourself and read the forum guidelines about personalisms. Personalisms are the refuge of those without a defensible position.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Cactilove]
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you do have an education?
With 20 posts a day
time to get past jr. high
jabba twat
Cactilove,
You've been here long enough to know that personalisms and insults are against the rules.
A "twat" and a moron and someone wearing an ugly tie can all make valid points of debate. That's why pointing out those things is irrelevant noise and against the rules.
If the best debating point you have available is schoolyard insults, then maybe you don't have an argument. Take that to the OTD forum where insulting each other is how they debate there. Here, we find that boring.
Consider this your warning.
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Diploid]
#16584696 - 07/25/12 09:31 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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I made a valid point once. Most all of my points are valiant however.
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The cause of suffering is nature. It created brains that use negative stimuli as a survival mechanism. Negative stimuli is suffering.
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Anyone notice this?"
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Memories]
#16585064 - 07/25/12 11:41 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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yup
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Memories]
#16585134 - 07/25/12 11:56 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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New and improved Suffering! All natural with no preservatives. 
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: zZZz]
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The refusal to change your perception on reality when reality doesn't change according to your likes.
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
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It's not that i refuse to be content with reality; it's that I'm incapable. I don't think anyone is capable of being content with everything.
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Anyone notice this?"
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Re: Cause of suffering.. [Re: Memories]
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Of course not, but one can certainly adjust one's mind in such a way that one comes to at least feel less bothered by the things one doesn't like. This will help one feel dislike rather then suffering.
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Maybe, i sure as hell try, but the suffering still persists. At least i have moments of extreme bliss to make life worth living... for now at least.
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"I noticed that the feeling from mxe is better when you refrain from masturbating a day or two before, a few times when I masturbated before usage I got this WEIRD look in my eyes and it caused me to not be able to have eye contact with people, my eyes were more squinted and my face looked more puffy, but without masterbating that day or the day before I felt great, it actually felt somewhat like a different drug.
Anyone notice this?"
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