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 Freyja
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 The two party system has failed 
#16558582 - 07/20/12 07:42 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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We as voting citizens can make a big and much needed change to the current system. Don't vote for either party, just let it all fall apart in front of us. We can refuse to let this happen and we need to stop giving control to money we will never see.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Freyja]
#16559060 - 07/20/12 11:15 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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There are two parties?
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Freyja
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16559100 - 07/20/12 11:28 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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theoretically yes, but they are both the same steaming pile of shit.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Freyja] 4
#16559188 - 07/20/12 11:51 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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If nobody voted for democrats or republicans, it would just mean that even less voters decided the fate for everyone else.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Enlil]
#16559507 - 07/20/12 12:54 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
If nobody voted for democrats or republicans, it would just mean that even less voters decided the fate for everyone else.
It would also mean that citizens are losing faith in the present system, which is the greatest concern for the people in power.
Having people still going to the voting booths (regardless who they vote for) is the most important thing for the two party system.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: qman] 2
#16559512 - 07/20/12 12:55 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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I disagree...less voting just means that people aren't really paying attention...so they can get away with more.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Enlil]
#16561636 - 07/20/12 10:07 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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I disagree...less voting just means that people aren't really paying attention...so they can get away with more.
Exactly.
However, I feel like in the next few years we will see the emergence of a powerful third party. People are starting to get fed up with both parties and with the country slowly marching down the crapper and I bet a third party will come in and take advantage of that. I personally hope that happens soon.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Freyja]
#16562548 - 07/21/12 01:32 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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Even multi-party systems end up with coalitions though. I dont see much effective difference between having two parties with diverse members in the primary and two in the general election vs having diverse parties in the primary with two coalitions in the general.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: DieCommie] 3
#16564544 - 07/21/12 03:39 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Not for nothing but I fail to see why any of you think that a third party that gains enough support will necessarily conform more closely to any of your, or my, views. I consider it highly unlikely.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: zappaisgod]
#16564593 - 07/21/12 03:52 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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They won't necessarily. The current parties, however, certainly do not appeal to my views. I hope the new one does. If it doesn't, I won't vote for it.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: DieCommie]
#16578953 - 07/24/12 11:30 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
Even multi-party systems end up with coalitions though. I dont see much effective difference between having two parties with diverse members in the primary and two in the general election vs having diverse parties in the primary with two coalitions in the general.
This is because the multi-party system is not designed for democracies with no compulsary voting and a more-rounds system. (compulsary voting and more-rounds systems don't work together either)
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: Xeny]
#16579834 - 07/24/12 03:19 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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Of course it doesn't work. It was designed to fail from the first place.
It's immortally wrong for 51 percent to rule over 49. Even it's immortally wrong to allow a certain group of people to rule all groups. The forefathers warned us that the party system is a distraction from the real events. It's a distraction, to keep your mind busy so it allows the gov to do more devil's work.
Voting does nothing. Even people did vote for the right person to do the right job, they are still maintaining the status quo. If nobody votes, including the majority then, politicians can't do anything because nobody voted them to be their masters.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: grizmoblust]
#16590978 - 07/26/12 09:05 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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Of course it doesn't work. It was designed to fail from the first place.
It's immortally wrong for 51 percent to rule over 49. Even it's immortally wrong to allow a certain group of people to rule all groups. The forefathers warned us that the party system is a distraction from the real events. It's a distraction, to keep your mind busy so it allows the gov to do more devil's work.
Voting does nothing. Even people did vote for the right person to do the right job, they are still maintaining the status quo. If nobody votes, including the majority then, politicians can't do anything because nobody voted them to be their masters.
immortal ≠ immoral
"The forefathers warned us" part is pure bullshit. It's clear you don't know who the forefathers were or what they wanted.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: grizmoblust]
#16591441 - 07/26/12 11:37 AM (9 months, 23 days ago) |
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Freyja said:
We as voting citizens can make a big and much needed change to the current system. Don't vote for either party, just let it all fall apart in front of us. We can refuse to let this happen and we need to stop giving control to money we will never see.
Citizens of where and what system? Since its usually only americans that are this presuptuous as to imagine everybody lives in their state, I'll presume that's what you mean.
Tip: there aren't two parties, and hence not voting "for either party" is not abstaining from voting and will not cause anything to fall apart.
How about you figure out what your talking about before making political decisions based on your views? If you don't even know who the candidates are, you're part of the problem. Ironic that its those people who do the most bitching about stupid ignorant votes.
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Of course it doesn't work. It was designed to fail from the first place.
What is "it" and how was 'it' designed to fail?
This whole thread is absurd.
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Voting does nothing. Even people did vote for the right person to do the right job, they are still maintaining the status quo. If nobody votes, including the majority then, politicians can't do anything because nobody voted them to be their masters.
Idiotic view. How is voting per se a vote for the status quo? You declare what you should demonstrate and then heap another ridiculous assertion on top of that in saying refraining from voting would prevent politicians from doing anything, which is absurd.
While you don't even have the forethought to tell your readers what the fuck your talking about, most political systems have provisions for a failure of the electorate to return a majority (or whatever the winning criterion is), and these don't involve "doing nothing" as you so absurdly suggest.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: johnm214]
#16597516 - 07/27/12 05:14 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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If the only thing you're doing to participate is to cast a vote, then you're barely involved in the political process at all. The idea that most people aren't satisfied with their choices and the status quo of how governance happens just goes to show how little most people are involved in the political process to begin with.
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Quote:
fireworks_god said:
If the only thing you're doing to participate is to cast a vote, then you're barely involved in the political process at all. The idea that most people aren't satisfied with their choices and the status quo of how governance happens just goes to show how little most people are involved in the political process to begin with.
Yeah. The fact that people will bitch about their choices who don't vote in primaries, don't do jack, and then appear not to even know whom the candidates are (thinking there are only two parties to choose from), just makes it all the more ridiculous that these are the same people whining for somebody to present them with a better government on a silver platter.
If you can't even be bothered to figure out what your choices are at the polls, fuck off with your advice to others- especially when its founded on absurd and patently false nonsense such as the notion that if nobody votes nobody holds office.
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: johnm214]
#16638134 - 08/03/12 06:42 AM (9 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think we should divide and conquer. We could take over their shit and utilize the brainwashing of the stupid masses instead of trying to rewire them. they are stupid and should probably not have power anyways so let them vote for us by telling them what they want to hear and then when they vote us in we work on disassembling the machine...
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Re: The two party system has failed [Re: vladtepes]
#16654224 - 08/06/12 05:14 PM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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If our major news agencies weren't motivated by corporate gain, supporting the highest paying candidate, then things would be a lot better off in this country and fewer people would lose faith in the "system"
It's been a steady manipulation of mass opinion for how long now, well over 70 years? The middle and upper class are who decide elections while the lower rungs of society, people like myself, have no fucks to give and simply tune out the puppet show taking place on TV. I used to be heavily into politics but I quickly learned the futility of it all after studying who was representing me and who was really supporting them.
There's no way a common sense candidate will make it to the White House because, for so long, the government has had no common sense itself. In fact, they've grown fearful of it.
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