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 SbstratAlchemist
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 As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' 
#16547034 - 07/18/12 12:09 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-marijuana-legalization-panel-20120717,0,4151581.story
WASHINGTON -- Legalizing marijuana in even a single state could drive down prices dramatically across the country, encouraging more people to smoke the drug, a panel of experts said at a briefing Tuesday.
Last week, Oregon became the third state that will vote this November on a ballot measure to legalize marijuana, joining Colorado and Washington.
“Legalization is unprecedented – not even the Netherlands has done it – it is entirely possible it will happen this year,” said Jonathan Caulkins, co-author of "Marijuana Legalization: What Everyone Needs to Know."
“The effects will be enormous,” said Caulkins, a professor at Carnegie Mellon, during an event at the American Enterprise Institute.
The Obama administration opposes legalizing marijuana and has taken action to shut down some medical marijuana dispensaries in California and Colorado.
Caulkins said one of the main reasons for outlawing the drug is to make it riskier to produce and sell, driving up prices and curbing use. A price collapse following legalization in some states could undermine marijuana laws nationally, the experts warned.
Caulkins said Colorado’s proposition would allow residents to obtain a grower’s license fairly easily, making the state a good home for exporters of marijuana.
“They would be able to provide marijuana to New York state markets at one quarter of the current price,” he said, predicting similar price declines in other states.
Mark Kleiman, a professor of public policy at UCLA, said his advice to federal officials would be “to sit down with the governor of the state and say, 'Look, we can make your life completely miserable -- and we will - unless you figure out a way to avoid the exports.”
One option would be to impose strict limits on how much of the drug retailers could sell to each customer.
Washington’s proposal would present authorities with a different problem. The state is proposing to create a strong system of regulations with the aim of propping up prices. Caulkins said the federal government could strike down the regulations but would leave a free-for-all behind.
“The federal government will face some really difficult choices where actions are like double-edged swords,” Caulkins said.
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 Celestial Traveler
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: SbstratAlchemist]
#16547121 - 07/18/12 12:28 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Shit this is true. People can just buy pot at what will probably be a much cheaper price in the legal states and sell it in other states and make huge profit. Big opportunity in this.
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manvsbear
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: SbstratAlchemist] 2
#16547346 - 07/18/12 01:17 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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So by the logic of this article we can never legalize any illegal substance for fear of price drops.
This is such a short sighted view and rendered completely irrelevant when you take into account the amount of murders that happen simply because the substance is illegal.
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StygianKnight
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16547359 - 07/18/12 01:19 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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In most places you can already buy pot at will.
Where the hell are my lowering prices?!
Pot is still buyable in countries that have the death penalty for selling it. If death doesn't deter people, I doubt a couple extra bucks will.
And did a panel of "experts" just suggest that the best thing to do is to keep profit margins high for illegal growers and cartels? Yes, totally safe and looking out for the public there! Afterall a cheap joint is totally as dangerous as large gun battles and massacres. Right panel of "experts"?
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: StygianKnight]
#16547431 - 07/18/12 01:38 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Having just smoked $20 worth of crappy pot in about an hour, I wholeheartedly welcome these initiatives. I already get calfornia and colorado weed occasionally. It goes fast though and it costs $60 an eighth. Gas is expensive. When it's not around I'm stuck with mexican crap. If I could buy a good bag at a reasonable price in a store I would be so happy my head might explode.
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gratefulskinny
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Beefy1]
#16547905 - 07/18/12 04:45 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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wowww...
do they not realize that in medical states as long as you have $ for the card its basically legal? and most of the good herb in any non-medical state comes from the medical states... this wont change a thing other then having to pay a dr and a state fee..
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Camwritesgonzo
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: gratefulskinny]
#16547967 - 07/18/12 05:24 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Bring on the low prices, I'm ready to welcome with open arms the days that you can get a fat lid of primo sinsee without having to worry about spending too much. Tis better to buy a fat sack of golden herb than a scraggly dimebag of cartel pubes.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Camwritesgonzo] 2
#16548040 - 07/18/12 06:37 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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I call bullshit on this one. First off, no one is going to be "encouraged" to smoke weed because it will be cheaper anymore than they are going to chew more gum because it is cheaper. People who want to smoke weed will smoke weed, people who don't want to won't smoke. No one is not smoking weed now because it is too expensive. In fact, in terms of getting your money's worth weed is really a great bang for your buck. If I could get weed at 1/2 the price it is now, I would probably smoke the exact same amount I smoke now.
Second, even if use did go up, I hardly see how that would be bad. Research shows marijuana functions as a terminus drug, whereby people quit more harmful drugs such as alcohol and use weed as their crutch. Violence, car accidents, and health care costs would all be reduced. So even if my first point is wrong, it still doesn't matter.
Third, no one is going to export weed from Colorado to New York. People in New York will continue to get their weed from near-by grows and Canada just like they always have. Anyone who wants to commit the criminal act of moving legal weed to somewhere where it is illegal is just in it for the money anyway and will most likely mark up the value, meaning a price decrease out of state won't even happen anyhow. The high price on drugs is a result of the risk of being involved in that business.
You'd think this column was written by an 8th grader.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: 5-HT2A]
#16548108 - 07/18/12 07:17 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Wont the prices be driven up when they tack on the taxes? Wont it be even more expensive?
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trophycase
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: lowbrow]
#16548338 - 07/18/12 09:46 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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No offense, but anybody saying that they would love to go to the store and buy cheap pot is lame! If weed were ever legal in my state, my backyard would be the garden of eden. I would never pay another dime for weed, anybody who does is a fool.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: manvsbear]
#16548386 - 07/18/12 10:04 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
manvsbear said:
So by the logic of this article we can never legalize any illegal substance for fear of price drops.
This is such a short sighted view and rendered completely irrelevant when you take into account the amount of murders that happen simply because the substance is illegal.
there is a kernel of truth in that.. as witness the spike in alcohol abuse in the years following the end of prohibition...in todays economy..however..that would have triggered catastrophic inflation in healthcare costs.. which would quickly consume the entire economy...similarly with marijuana...
but that is admittedly a flaw in the political economy and not marijuana...
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Annapurna1]
#16548389 - 07/18/12 10:04 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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MMJ has driven prices up in Colorado. (And reduced availability)
It better weed now, and if you measured out the THC content it might be a better value.
But the days of $60 ounces are over.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16548614 - 07/18/12 11:30 AM (10 months, 26 days ago) |
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Quote:
Celestial Traveler said:
Shit this is true. People can just buy pot at what will probably be a much cheaper price in the legal states and sell it in other states and make huge profit. Big opportunity in this.
thats what they do with cigerettes
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: senorcafe]
#16548857 - 07/18/12 12:24 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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I pity the fool who legalizes marijuana and watches the chinese take over the entire market with several over night DHL deliveries.
7-11 will have 711 flavors of marijuana all of it chinese grown undercutting all american growers.
LEts keep it illegal and lets get our money.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Beefy1]
#16548881 - 07/18/12 12:28 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Beefy1 said:
Having just smoked $20 worth of crappy pot in about an hour, I wholeheartedly welcome these initiatives. I already get calfornia and colorado weed occasionally. It goes fast though and it costs $60 an eighth. Gas is expensive. When it's not around I'm stuck with mexican crap. If I could buy a good bag at a reasonable price in a store I would be so happy my head might explode.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: downlowfunk]
#16548929 - 07/18/12 12:36 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Oh man I hope it passes this year.
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: withoutawire]
#16548960 - 07/18/12 12:43 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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I will be packing up and moving to the first state that legalizes it. As long as Dick Perry is Gov of TX, we will be the last state ever to even think of using it medically let alone full legalization. It is almost enough for me to start voting for Democrat Governors, except I know they lie just as much and probably just said they support decriminalization just to get the stoner vote. We sure as hell know Obama does not support it even though he said he did during his initial run for office. Probably found out how much they are getting paid off by the mexican drug cartels to keep it illegal.
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: withoutawire]
#16549025 - 07/18/12 12:55 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Who gives a shit about prices? It's drug prohibition that's gotta end!
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Mark Kleiman, a professor of public policy at UCLA, said his advice to federal officials would be “to sit down with the governor of the state and say, 'Look, we can make your life completely miserable -- and we will - unless you figure out a way to avoid the exports.”
Bullshit, there is NO WAY to control this.
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“The federal government will face some really difficult choices where actions are like double-edged swords,” Caulkins said.
There is no way the Feds can uphold federal Cannabis prohibition in the long run, if this passes. It will also take away the credibility of the US on the issue of drug 'control' on a global level - which will give way to legalization in Europe, as the US has been the major blocking stone on any kind of drug reform in Europe. 
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Doc_T
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#16549043 - 07/18/12 12:57 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said:
Who gives a shit about prices?
People who work.
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: As 3 States Mull Marijuana Legalization, Experts Warn: 'Beware' [Re: Doc_T]
#16549055 - 07/18/12 01:00 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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I just wanted to say that ending prohibition is a lot more important than some price fluctuations here and there.
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