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 1nsomnium
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 Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) 
#16542514 - 07/17/12 01:07 AM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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Weren't on this cake yesterday, its at the bottom section fully connected around the sides, 90% done and I noticed these fluff balls, is this early pins or is this cake screwed? Makes me mad because this cake is 90% and the closest other ones are 80% so... 
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16544389 - 07/17/12 02:25 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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Checked with midwestgrowkits Live Chat but didn't link them a pic, just a description and they claim that its just mycelium growing over the verm barrier and its perfectly fine, but I am still skeptical.
Can someone please tell me what the heck those white clumps are?
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16544394 - 07/17/12 02:26 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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It looks as if it is pinning in the jar. Calm yo self little grass hoppa..
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Edited by Ganzig (07/17/12 02:27 PM)
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ganzig]
#16544945 - 07/17/12 04:28 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Thanks that great news, but why does the one resemble a mushroom slice you would find when you order mushroom pizza from a pizza shop, or is that the stem forming and then pins will come?
And if you could kindly give me advice about the next step. The jar should be done in two days, if I see a brown cap I will know its a pin, but if its still that white stuff, is that bad?
Also, the big favor would be guiding me along with the next step, if I get a step wrong could you correct me and add some of your own personal methods and tips to allow me success, I want alot of caps because I want alot of prints even to collect them as I grow new strains in the future, I also want to donate some to help fellow shroomers who don't want to buy a print and/or a spore syringe, free service!
1. Do I wait the whole week for consolidation in the jar to hold the cake, or do I reduce the time if pins start to get to big and/or rot/abort? And... Should I pick off the pins that form and dry/eat them, or should I dunk and roll them anyway and just sacrifice those pins if they aren't even potent enough to want to pick anyway? Or are they good and they wont fall off during dunk and roll?
Sorry I ask so specifically but maybe this thread will answer alot of questions to other fellow noobs that frequent this form often so it should be at the top for a whole, and noobs in the future who see related threads, which answers ALOT of my questions  ...
2. I am thinking about just turning the rubbermaid from the grow kit i ordered into a shot gun fruiting chamber and buying a 20 dollar targer humidifier and a hydrometer or whatever its called at the pet shop around here thats been in business and national for years so I know they have quality ones that wont fail my beginners luck.
I do fear contamination every single time I think about my jars, because I want these shrooms to work, I feel like I am destined to try these and I know they will change my life for the better for atleast 3-6 months and i'll keep using the shrooms every few months to not abuse their power.
Anyway, enough with the rant... The lid on my rubber made is NOT transparent, but I heard thats fine just put lights around the sides so they grow at an up angle, (its a big rubber maid to)..
Drill a bunch of holes, 1/4 mes or whatever on all sides including bottom and elevate it with big erasers or something then put the humidifier in there and let it rip, perlite on bottom, 4 inches or so, rinsed in tap water and put the cakes on foil and mist with a bottle of water to rain it down on the cakes, and fan them 4 times a day and do a 12 on 12 off light cycle and mist 5 times a day not to heavily. DOES FAN MEAN SIMPLY TAKE OFF LID MOMENTAIRELY OR DOES IT MEAN WAVE YOUR HAND FOR FRESH AIR EXCHANGE????
Ill stop with this post for now.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16545263 - 07/17/12 05:30 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Use the modern pf tek that is prescribed on this site and you will do fine.
As far as that rubbermaid. You will need light. So, if you don't have it,
make it happen somehow.
You are almost there.
If the mycelium is all around the bottom then you are at 100% colonization.
The top layer is a dry verm layer right? If so then give them the week
consolidation and then dunk and roll. Good luck.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ganzig]
#16545357 - 07/17/12 05:49 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah I know that the whole jar has to be white, my only concern is leaving the pins inside of the jars during the consolidation 7 day period after 100%. Some people say they succeeded by taking out the cakes prior to 7 days, im thinking by the time these pins actually show, the cake would be 100% colonized, and if I leave them in the jars to consolidate for 7 days wont the shrooms make the cake hard to get out, whereas if I just took the jar out a few days early, would that really decrease my yield?
And lets say that by day 7 of consolidation everything is fine, can I eat those shrooms that are forming now, will it be enough to finally for once in my life feel the power of the fruit? thanks.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16545541 - 07/17/12 06:26 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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The whole jar does have to be white except the dry verm layer on top.
Do your jars have this dry verm layer? And are they, other than the dry
verm layer, colonized?
If so then your consolidation time has already started. If there are
non-colonized areas that are visible that have nutrients ie brf leave them in the jars.
Or else take them out and cut off uncolonized area.
I guess I am saying that I am unclear as to whether or not your jars are
100% colonized.
You say they are not but I am thinking that you mean the dry verm layer is what is left to colonize.
This does not have to colonize. It is only a crude filter.
And yes you can consume in-vitro fruits. They taste and work the same.
Some say stronger.
If it is colonized and consolidated then birth the fruiting ones and dunk them. The fruits
will survive.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ganzig]
#16545770 - 07/17/12 06:59 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ganzig said:
The whole jar does have to be white except the dry verm layer on top.
Do your jars have this dry verm layer? And are they, other than the dry
verm layer, colonized?
If so then your consolidation time has already started. If there are
non-colonized areas that are visible that have nutrients ie brf leave them in the jars.
Or else take them out and cut off uncolonized area.
I guess I am saying that I am unclear as to whether or not your jars are
100% colonized.
You say they are not but I am thinking that you mean the dry verm layer is what is left to colonize.
This does not have to colonize. It is only a crude filter.
And yes you can consume in-vitro fruits. They taste and work the same.
Some say stronger.
If it is colonized and consolidated then birth the fruiting ones and dunk them. The fruits
will survive.
I was going to type another long summary but I find that pictures speak louder than words so...The first pic is of the bottom of the jar, that is all that is left to colonize, which is what I meant by saying in about two days..Other jars are following behind as you can see from the background of the first pic.
I am aware that the top doesn't have to be colonized, so yes; I use a dry verm barrier, I bought pre pressure cooked and mixed substrate jars lol with bee pollen, worm casing, brown rice flour, etc.
Pic number 2 is the update of those little ball things, which probably are pin heads.. thanks for all of your help and here are the pictures..
Pic number 3 is of the name jar but on a different side.. sorry about the picture quality on that one, its the brown looking pin head (if thats a pin head)
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16545998 - 07/17/12 07:39 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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It looks completely fine man, Mycelium takes so many different forms. I don't think that is a pin but it isn't that great of a picture either. Just wait and see man, patients is seriously the key for this hobby. Also i would recommend leaving them be. I've noticed when my jars are colonizing, the less i move the jars about the faster they colonize and the better they look. Good luck man and keep the thread updated with pics.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Casual Cultivator]
#16546043 - 07/17/12 07:45 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Agreed. I'll take my original stance and say, calm yo self little grass hoppa!
Good luck.
I know it will turn out
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Casual Cultivator]
#16546060 - 07/17/12 07:48 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Casual Cultivator said:
It looks completely fine man, Mycelium takes so many different forms. I don't think that is a pin but it isn't that great of a picture either. Just wait and see man, patients is seriously the key for this hobby. Also i would recommend leaving them be. I've noticed when my jars are colonizing, the less i move the jars about the faster they colonize and the better they look. Good luck man and keep the thread updated with pics.
I do inspect them more then a fiend checking his wallet every few hours. Thanks alot guys.. For the future ill just look and don't touch.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16546108 - 07/17/12 07:57 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Totally the same way. But I have learned how to stop myself. Just have
projects always going. 
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ganzig]
#16547396 - 07/18/12 01:30 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Ganzig said:
Totally the same way. But I have learned how to stop myself. Just have
projects always going.
Just wanted to update with better pics, and they don't seem to be completely white anymore, they look like either the color of the verm, like a weird brown, or maybe its the start of my pins? Sorry for the repetition but I am just paranoid because its my first grow, Cubensis Burma incase I forgot to mention.
I was also thinking about testing the neglect tek with 1 or 2 jars and the other 6 I want to put into an SGFC..
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16548440 - 07/18/12 10:24 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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bump, they're getting bigger/harder looking, should I be worried? Didn't feel like taking more pics.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16548483 - 07/18/12 10:38 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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You've probably ran into this problem because your using the tall half pints. If someone has already said this then sorry. Ive used the tall ones myself and never had a colonization problem but a lot of people claim it's harder for the mycelia to fully cover it. Just birth it and remove the bare substrate, fruit er
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ill-bird]
#16548587 - 07/18/12 11:18 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Ill-bird said:
You've probably ran into this problem because your using the tall half pints. If someone has already said this then sorry. Ive used the tall ones myself and never had a colonization problem but a lot of people claim it's harder for the mycelia to fully cover it. Just birth it and remove the bare substrate, fruit er
Hey thanks, its not 100% yet and I know its not consolidated so I kind of want to wait like 4 more days atleast but if its safe to take out now, great.. But I don't think it is.. Well its been roughly 18 days from inoculation to now, and like 4 are 55% done and the other 4 are almost done.. Only because some only had 2 inoc points, whereas my better ones had 4 inoc points.
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: 1nsomnium]
#16548717 - 07/18/12 11:55 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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I meant the jar with pins in it. Lol if the jar is pinning is done colonizing
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ill-bird]
#16548921 - 07/18/12 12:35 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Kinda off topic.... but the thread made me think this question.
Is it possible to leave them in there too long?
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Crazyk187]
#16548949 - 07/18/12 12:42 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah I think so. Ive left pins in jars for a good while but I'd say after too long without fresh air they'll die
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Re: Little balls of fluff on 90% colonized cake (minus consolidation period) [Re: Ill-bird]
#16548981 - 07/18/12 12:46 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yea makes since!!! My friends moms dog has 30 jars and on day 8 some are like 60% and others are just starting ...... so he was worried about the slow ones catching up.
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