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hoodbran said:
I think its useful to study extreme cases to gain an understanding of normal behaviour,

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Mafeki said:
This is pretty interesting though don't think I just like it because it might help me get dates.

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Mafeki said:
I watched a thing about by national geographic on synesthesia that was pretty cool

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Mafeki said:
Then there was this that just talked about people trying to discover physiological discoveries like this one guy figured out how to erase memories.

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Mafeki said:
I've also watched a few psychology lectures that talked about Darwinism which I guess is what I really like. Then later talked about stuff like tabula rasa.

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Phrenic said:
To my knowledge, people that studied psychology in the Netherlands don't go to the homicide investigator career. I think you need a criminology degree for that, which have overlapping area's I guess but is definitely a different area of expertise.

Series like 'lie to me' look great, and the series is based on real science from a guy called Paul Ekman, but they are exaggerated to an impossible point. Body language reading, voice analysis, facial expressions... it's far from exact science and shouldn't be used in court thus police can't really use it.

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hoodbran said:
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I personally disagree (meaning, i have no facts to disprove you). Extreme cases could be used to define normal behaviour, but to understand normal behaviour... we should study the norm, not the exceptions.

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dreamcatcher said:
I'm doubling in Psychology and Biology at UGA! Just finished all my core classes and am getting to the exciting stuff this semester.

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My first year was like "when the fuck will this shit on Freud end??!!"

2nd year far more interesting.. but university life cannot prepare students for actually being out there in live environments

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What is real about it?

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How many of us work for an employer for a wage rather than feeling connected to and influencing our employer?  Managers becoming burned out because they are missing out on the human connection each and every individual personality brings to the equation so desperately needs?

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This is indeed very interesting and I'm actually looking for some good sources atm. I'll share as soon as i found something.

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Mafeki said:
They'd give the mice the drug and it would forget the line even existed and have to relearn it. Then again who's to say what it does until it's tested on humans.

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Mafeki said:
Thanks for that Ill check those out.
I understand what you mean about learning the boring stuff it's hard to say if I'd find it boring I just wouldn't want people think I'm being pretentious.
It's crazy how someone with sucks a high education would be browsing this forum.

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blingbling said:
i'm studying psychology and anthropology at the moment. most of the people in my psych classes seem to be young girls who didn't know what else to do. i've met many budding young psychologists who are not only crazy, but down right stupid. anthropology is not much better. plenty of crystal loving hippy's there. come to think of it, the whole of the social sciences seem attract these types of people.

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i'm studying psychology and anthropology at the moment. most of the people in my psych classes seem to be young girls who didn't know what else to do. i've met many budding young psychologists who are not only crazy, but down right stupid. anthropology is not much better. plenty of crystal loving hippy's there. come to think of it, the whole of the social sciences seem attract these types of people.

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Everyone manifests their personality. Personality, as I see it, is a unique combination of universal motives. It's like a snowflake, each unique, yet each made of universal water molecules arranged differently. I have learned to become aware of my dominant motives. They each are a mentality of their own. Sometimes even special schools of psychology appear to be fringe, like the Jungian school. Most people in our culture are not described by Jungian theory because most people have predominantly Freudian-described, or Adlerian-described personalities. There are some motives that describe fewer and fewer people, like Victor Frankl's idea that 'meaning' is central to people's personality. Some people! Very few people, relative to the Freudian and Adlerian types. Beyond that, Abraham Maslow's "Self-Actualizers" are at the top of the population pyramid. Among this small group of people, we can find those with 'spiritual disorders,' not necessarily mental disorders. Ken Wilber, et al., describe such people in the book Transformations of Consciousness, and there is where you may discern those "crystal loving hippy types," who have taken a wrong term and have developed a 'spiritual disorder' - a fixation at that level of motivation best described by Maslow. Why select that population? They are far and few between compared to the base-line of Freudian pleasure-seekers, death-obsessed neurotics and Adlerian power-social status seekers that make up the statistical 'norm' of society.

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i'm studying psychology and anthropology at the moment. most of the people in my psych classes seem to be young girls who didn't know what else to do. i've met many budding young psychologists who are not only crazy, but down right stupid. anthropology is not much better. plenty of crystal loving hippy's there. come to think of it, the whole of the social sciences seem attract these types of people.

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"[T]he whole of the social sciences" also attracts scholars and researchers. The "crystal loving" types, and I'm sure you don't mean those with an appreciation for minerology or crystal-growing, are on the fringes of social science. Psychology and anthropology are both interesting fields, but each one is vast in the 21st century. Undergraduates are, well, undergraduates, not graduate students. Graduate school for most people is practical and job-related, which makes sense. That is where one has narrowed one's focus and specializes. Real anthropologists need to travel and become involved with indigenous cultures. Sometimes people subspecialize. Look at Wade Davis who is also an ethnobotanist - something many people on The Shroomery are interested with in connection to shamanism. I wonder how many substance-imbibing, self-proclaimed shamen here, have actually undertaken even the reading of classics in the field, like Mircea Eliade's Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy, Harner's Hallucinogens and Shamanism, or Frazier's The Golden Bough, let alone graduate study?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Davis ; The Haitian Houngans and Bocors, so impressed Davis, a Harvard graduate, with their level of expertise in psychopharmacology that he likened them to having a PhD level of knowledge!

Everyone manifests their personality. Personality, as I see it, is a unique combination of universal motives. It's like a snowflake, each unique, yet each made of universal water molecules arranged differently. I have learned to become aware of my dominant motives. They each are a mentality of their own. Sometimes even special schools of psychology appear to be fringe, like the Jungian school. Most people in our culture are not described by Jungian theory because most people have predominantly Freudian-described, or Adlerian-described personalities. There are some motives that describe fewer and fewer people, like Victor Frankl's idea that 'meaning' is central to people's personality. Some people! Very few people, relative to the Freudian and Adlerian types. Beyond that, Abraham Maslow's "Self-Actualizers" are at the top of the population pyramid. Among this small group of people, we can find those with 'spiritual disorders,' not necessarily mental disorders. Ken Wilber, et al., describe such people in the book Transformations of Consciousness, and there is where you may discern those "crystal loving hippy types," who have taken a wrong term and have developed a 'spiritual disorder' - a fixation at that level of motivation best described by Maslow. Why select that population? They are far and few between compared to the base-line of Freudian pleasure-seekers, death-obsessed neurotics and Adlerian power-social status seekers that make up the statistical 'norm' of society.

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Icelander said:
Right.  Not a good book for a smart guy like you.

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Icelander said:
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Every other time I trip I think about hell and strong ideas about pain spreading through thought from one organism to another like a contagious disease, and this plane of existence ultimately a safeguard from ourselves. I go over thoughts about domination of form and one mind fucking itself over constantly because evolution rewards that behavior. I don't believe all that, but that's what I trip about.

I think I can handle a book about anxiety. If it's too hard we can cuddle puddle afterwards in our collective misery.

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Mafeki said:
When I mean real psychology I mean serious studies and theories, academic sort of stuff.
I mostly see stuff like 'woah I just had a dream of a dog barking at a trampoline.' which there's nothing wrong with but lately I've been wanting to read about some serious psychological breakthroughs and I don't mean tripping balls.

The sort of stuff I wish I'd see more on this forum is evolution psychology and why from speculating the behavior of Neanderthal days why we acts certain ways today. I personally think from a unprofessional or academic opinion where all the understanding of today's behavior is. Speaking of which do we have any academics on this forum?

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Mafeki said:
When I mean real psychology I mean serious studies and theories, academic sort of stuff.
I mostly see stuff like 'woah I just had a dream of a dog barking at a trampoline.' which there's nothing wrong with but lately I've been wanting to read about some serious psychological breakthroughs and I don't mean tripping balls.

The sort of stuff I wish I'd see more on this forum is evolution psychology and why from speculating the behavior of Neanderthal days why we acts certain ways today. I personally think from a unprofessional or academic opinion where all the understanding of today's behavior is. Speaking of which do we have any academics on this forum?

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Doubtful.  As far as I can tell, the name of this forum is completely ridiculous and people just thought "whoa dude, psychology and sociology is cool shit man, I like to talk about minds and shit", and thus voted to add it to the forum name for no particular reason.  As always, there's pretty much no psychology or sociology discussion whatseover, and that limited amount is easily justifiable under the philosophy topic.

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Recently I have been helping my daughter, who is about to begin her senior year at the university, look for a graduate program in psychology where she can pursue her interest in the arts, Jung, archetypal psychology and yoga as a combined resource for her work with adolescents in trouble.

I scanned several counseling psychology programs looking for any respectable approach that wasn’t strictly science-based. After all, etymologically psycho-logy is the logos of the soul. But even the religiously founded universities that I found have programs in counseling limited to studies of the brain and neuroscience. To treat psychology as a brain science is to reduce centuries-old studies of the psyche to a physical organ and to render the field itself materialistic.

For years I’ve been teaching psychiatrists and social workers and lecturing at medical schools and hospitals, trying to soften the hard science. I have met many men and women who started out with a burning desire to understand the human condition and to help people sort out their lives. Immediately they run into requirements concerned with quantified research and behavioral studies. Soon they forget their initial inspiration and become believers in the mechanistic methods of their fields.They become believers in this new religion that sometimes has all the moralism and fundamentalism we associate with old forms of belief.

I’m not saying that science and research are not valuable, and I don’t want to put a wedge between science and the humanities and spiritualities. I am alive because of high-tech medicine. I have two stents in my heart and I’ve had a few surgeries for which I’m very grateful. I applaud each new discovery and any tool we can develop to deal with illness. But the cost to our society of insisting on materialism in psychology and medicine is great.

I have been a psychotherapist for thirty-five years, and most of that work has centered on dreams. To work better with dreams, I’ve studied mythology, religious ritual and narrative, the writings of Jung, Perls, and Hillman. Dreams help me see the patterns in a life, developments that neither the client nor the therapist can grasp in a purely rational manner. My daughter understands and appreciates depth psychology and also sees in a deep way how yoga helps a person relax and find a spiritual way of life that eases symptoms. I have no doubt that one day she will be in great demand—she is already—and yet she can’t find a mainstream, highly respected graduate program that could give her the further education and credentials she needs.

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I have been a psychotherapist for thirty-five years, and most of that work has centered on dreams. To work better with dreams, I’ve studied mythology, religious ritual and narrative, the writings of Jung, Perls, and Hillman. Dreams help me see the patterns in a life, developments that neither the client nor the therapist can grasp in a purely rational manner. My daughter understands and appreciates depth psychology and also sees in a deep way how yoga helps a person relax and find a spiritual way of life that eases symptoms. I have no doubt that one day she will be in great demand—she is already—and yet she can’t find a mainstream, highly respected graduate program that could give her the further education and credentials she needs.

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usulpsychonaut said:
The question is, how does all this Academia lead to the professionals doing absolutely nothing other than handing out prescriptions for pills? "Hi, you are deluded, take Nortriptyline and this very large dose of Seroquel, it will set you right, if it don't work, we'll get you to take more".

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