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 What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? 
#16533057 - 07/15/12 03:08 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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So, while I personally am not all together religious, I come from a strong Catholic family and as such have read the entirety of the Bible. I find it to be quite interesting, though quite tedious at times, and am wondering what other like books are worth reading. The first one that came to mind was the Koran, but I should like to read others as well, but am unaware really of what others there are out there.
any suggestions?
what do you think of books like this? have you read more than one? if so, how do you think they compare?
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16533076 - 07/15/12 03:18 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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I started reading the Bhagavad Gita, I like it 
"Still your mind in me, still yourself in me, and without a doubt you shall be united with me, Lord of Love, dwelling in your heart."
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Zardos]
#16533087 - 07/15/12 03:25 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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the book of subgenius. It leaves nothing out.
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Zardos] 3
#16533088 - 07/15/12 03:25 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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Harry Potter, you get the morals and the fairytale and its entertaining too
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: lolwut]
#16533092 - 07/15/12 03:28 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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lolwut said:
Harry Potter, you get the morals and the fairytale and its entertaining too
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: jack_straw2208]
#16533093 - 07/15/12 03:29 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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Zardos said:
I started reading the Bhagavad Gita, I like it
"Still your mind in me, still yourself in me, and without a doubt you shall be united with me, Lord of Love, dwelling in your heart."
I am not familiar with this book, might I ask what religion it pertains to?
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the book of subgenius. It leaves nothing out.
not sure what this is either, give me a little background perhaps?
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: lolwut]
#16533095 - 07/15/12 03:30 AM (10 months, 4 hours ago) |
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lolwut said:
Harry Potter, you get the morals and the fairytale and its entertaining too
been there done that, way too preachy for my taste 
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16533102 - 07/15/12 03:35 AM (10 months, 3 hours ago) |
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google it, or buy it used off amazon for 10 or so bucks. its got a lot of really cool pictures too
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: jack_straw2208]
#16533105 - 07/15/12 03:37 AM (10 months, 3 hours ago) |
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google it I shall 
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16533141 - 07/15/12 03:57 AM (10 months, 3 hours ago) |
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The Bhagavad Gita is an ancient Hindu text, and quite a beautiful one at that. Very deep and very positive. I question the truthfulness of many of its statements however, yet it could just as easily be true, and does vibe with me on a very deep level. Here is a very nice audiobook of it with suitable music in the background:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5190820/Bhagavad.Gita.AS.IT.IS(AudioEnglish)Translation_AC.Bhaktivedanta
The Koran on the other hand, is a total and complete disgrace as far as I'm concerned.. Disgusting is probably the word I would choose to define it best! Much shorter than the bible, 16 hours all the way through as opposed to 76 hours, but about 10 times harder to listen to. I got horribly angry dozens of times listening to it, as well as shocked and honestly a bit frightened by many of the statements and tenets, considering what Muslims have done in the name of Allah in the ancient days as well as in the modern era. I think the Koran contains my most hated statement of any religious text, and that is "spread the faith by the sword."  IMO, there is very little wisdom, if any, that can be taken from this book. But that's just me. Here is the audiobook:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6124353/Koran_English_Translated_Audiobook_Quran_Qur_an_
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16533171 - 07/15/12 04:15 AM (10 months, 3 hours ago) |
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The Bhagavad Gita is an ancient Hindu text, and quite a beautiful one at that. Very deep and very positive. I question the truthfulness of many of its statements however, yet it could just as easily be true, and does vibe with me on a very deep level. Here is a very nice audiobook of it with suitable music in the background:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5190820/Bhagavad.Gita.AS.IT.IS(AudioEnglish)Translation_AC.Bhaktivedanta
The Koran on the other hand, is a total and complete disgrace as far as I'm concerned.. Disgusting is probably the word I would choose to define it best! Much shorter than the bible, 16 hours all the way through as opposed to 76 hours, but about 10 times harder to listen to. I got horribly angry dozens of times listening to it, as well as shocked and honestly a bit frightened by many of the statements and tenets, considering what Muslims have done in the name of Allah in the ancient days as well as in the modern era. I think the Koran contains my most hated statement of any religious text, and that is "spread the faith by the sword." IMO, there is very little wisdom, if any, that can be taken from this book. But that's just me. Here is the audiobook:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6124353/Koran_English_Translated_Audiobook_Quran_Qur_an_
These are both going to be incredibly helpful, thank you! 
Yes I have actually heard some negative reviews of the Koran but I would like to give it a go myself before I pass it off 
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16533207 - 07/15/12 04:25 AM (10 months, 3 hours ago) |
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Trypppy said:
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Shrooomtastic said:
The Bhagavad Gita is an ancient Hindu text, and quite a beautiful one at that. Very deep and very positive. I question the truthfulness of many of its statements however, yet it could just as easily be true, and does vibe with me on a very deep level. Here is a very nice audiobook of it with suitable music in the background:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5190820/Bhagavad.Gita.AS.IT.IS(AudioEnglish)Translation_AC.Bhaktivedanta
The Koran on the other hand, is a total and complete disgrace as far as I'm concerned.. Disgusting is probably the word I would choose to define it best! Much shorter than the bible, 16 hours all the way through as opposed to 76 hours, but about 10 times harder to listen to. I got horribly angry dozens of times listening to it, as well as shocked and honestly a bit frightened by many of the statements and tenets, considering what Muslims have done in the name of Allah in the ancient days as well as in the modern era. I think the Koran contains my most hated statement of any religious text, and that is "spread the faith by the sword." IMO, there is very little wisdom, if any, that can be taken from this book. But that's just me. Here is the audiobook:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6124353/Koran_English_Translated_Audiobook_Quran_Qur_an_
These are both going to be incredibly helpful, thank you!
Yes I have actually heard some negative reviews of the Koran but I would like to give it a go myself before I pass it off
Good for you, it will give you great insight into the mind of a Muslim, as well as that of a Muslim terrorist, as the Koran is not only a religious text, but also a political one. Be sure to report back when you have finished it!
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16533253 - 07/15/12 04:41 AM (10 months, 2 hours ago) |
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Yeah thats really what I am going for, a better perspective on other religions and the mindsets of their respective followers. I figure if I am going to be agnostic or atheist or whatever I should choose to be its only fair I give religion a fighting chance.
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16533283 - 07/15/12 04:51 AM (10 months, 2 hours ago) |
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Bhagavad Gita is a fun read. 
Trippy, too.
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Trypppy]
#16534578 - 07/15/12 01:47 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Yeah thats really what I am going for, a better perspective on other religions and the mindsets of their respective followers. I figure if I am going to be agnostic or atheist or whatever I should choose to be its only fair I give religion a fighting chance.
That was my mode of thinking when I listened to the audiobook of the bible. I knew I wouldn't feel wholly comfortable with myself turning away from Christianity if I didn't truly give it a chance. And I believe I did, I listened to most of it while camping alone in the mountains here, with nothing other than a burning fire and my undivided attention. And after gaining greater insight into the nightmarish qualities and teachings of the Old Testament, as well as Paul's subtle and yet diabolical agenda and logic trappings in the New Testament, I feel much more at peace with myself concerning my stance on the matter. I have released a lot of guilt and shame that family and friends had originally put on me when I left the church.
Here is the audiobook of the bible I listened to if you're interested:
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_4?asin=B002V0CEGU&qid=1342374316&sr=1-4
He does a great job of reading it and really gets into it at times, while expressing the proper tones of the different authors, which can be hard to imagine on your own I think.
Edited by Satyapriya (07/15/12 02:00 PM)
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16534697 - 07/15/12 02:20 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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The Keys Of Enoch
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16534720 - 07/15/12 02:27 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Trypppy said:
Yeah thats really what I am going for, a better perspective on other religions and the mindsets of their respective followers. I figure if I am going to be agnostic or atheist or whatever I should choose to be its only fair I give religion a fighting chance.
That was my mode of thinking when I listened to the audiobook of the bible. I knew I wouldn't feel wholly comfortable with myself turning away from Christianity if I didn't truly give it a chance. And I believe I did, I listened to most of it while camping alone in the mountains here, with nothing other than a burning fire and my undivided attention. And after gaining greater insight into the nightmarish qualities and teachings of the Old Testament, as well as Paul's subtle and yet diabolical agenda and logic trappings in the New Testament, I feel much more at peace with myself concerning my stance on the matter. I have released a lot of guilt and shame that family and friends had originally put on me when I left the church.
Here is the audiobook of the bible I listened to if you're interested:
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_4?asin=B002V0CEGU&qid=1342374316&sr=1-4
He does a great job of reading it and really gets into it at times, while expressing the proper tones of the different authors, which can be hard to imagine on your own I think.
I understand where you're coming from - me personally, I was fortunate enough not to have been indoctrinated into any particular religion, and I never read the bible. I feel perfectly comfortable in my rejection of the bible without having read it.
I'm sure there are many truths to be found, and many not-so-truths. But if reading an ancient book is criteria for rejecting it, then one must read all of the ancient books of the world in order to reject them.
The fact is that every ancient book was written by people with an extremely limited knowledge of the world. There may be great philosophy - the writings of socrates still hold true today for the most part. But agreeing with socrates is not an appeal to authority. Let's suppose that socrates was not even a real person, as some claim. It wouldn't effect the influence of those writings - the use of logic is still relevant today. If it wasn't, we wouldn't reference it.
I do think it would be interesting to read the bible, but only because of it's influence in world history. Same thing goes for the koran.
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: clam_dude]
#16534910 - 07/15/12 03:16 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'm sure there are many truths to be found, and many not-so-truths. But if reading an ancient book is criteria for rejecting it, then one must read all of the ancient books of the world in order to reject them.
I agree. What I find ridiculous is how many Christians try to make your arguments invalid by asking "Well, have you ever read the bible??" When the bible itself is incredibly long and very difficult for even Christians to get through! I sometimes think the church hasn't omitted any of the outdated and contradictory books because they want to keep the bible intimidating and difficult for people to understand and therefore incapable of holding a valid opinion on the matter.
Though it is nice now to answer their question with a confident, "yes I have, from front to back. Have you??" To which I usually get a "Not entirely." or "I'm almost finished with it..."
Good thing one of their main tenets is to tell the truth!
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Edited by Satyapriya (07/15/12 03:16 PM)
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16535007 - 07/15/12 03:45 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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clam_dude said:
I'm sure there are many truths to be found, and many not-so-truths. But if reading an ancient book is criteria for rejecting it, then one must read all of the ancient books of the world in order to reject them.
I agree. What I find ridiculous is how many Christians try to make your arguments invalid by asking "Well, have you ever read the bible??" When the bible itself is incredibly long and very difficult for even Christians to get through! I sometimes think the church hasn't omitted any of the outdated and contradictory books because they want to keep the bible intimidating and difficult for people to understand and therefore incapable of holding a valid opinion on the matter.
Though it is nice now to answer their question with a confident, "yes I have, from front to back. Have you??" To which I usually get a "Not entirely." or "I'm almost finished with it..."
Good thing one of their main tenets is to tell the truth!
I'm a little torn on this issue. On the one hand, it would be nice to be able to reply yes when asked if I've read the bible. On the other, you could simply turn the question around and ask them if they've ever read the koran. When they reply no, you point out that they are right to dismiss this book (as an authority on science, etc..) without having read it, by virtue of when it was written. Then point out that this is how non-christians view the bible.
In a sense, reading the bible is playing into their hands - you have no obligation to be an expert on it. Like I said, I'm torn on this issue, just thinking out loud.
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Re: What religious books (i.e. Bible and Koran) are worth reading? [Re: clam_dude]
#16535025 - 07/15/12 03:48 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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I should add that christians want to turn the conversation into one about specifics within the bible, which they can interpret how they want. But the best approach to take is to step back and argue over the validity of the book in general (it was written by humans, not god, etc).
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