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 New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete   1
#16520659 - 07/12/12 05:13 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/07/synthetic-drug-ban/
Two synthetic drug blends tested in the last week by AIT labs. The active compounds, UR-144 and XLR-11, are not covered by the federal ban. Photos: Kevin Shanks/AIT Labs
A federal ban on synthetic drugs, signed into law by President Obama on July 9, was obsolete before the ink of his signature dried.
Drug formulations not covered by the law’s language, and almost certainly synthesized in direct response to legal pressure, are already on sale. If synthetics are supposed to be part of the War on Drugs, then this battle may already be lost.
“There are several compounds out there now, in mixtures that I’ve tested myself, that would not fall under this ban,” said Kevin Shanks, a forensic toxicologist at AIT Laboratories, an Indiana-based chemical testing company. “The law just can’t seem to keep up.”
The new law, officially known as the Synthetic Drug Abuse Prevention Act of 2012, comes in response to the growing popularity of compounds designed by chemists to mimic the effects of various illegal substances, particularly marijuana and amphetamines.
Sold legally for nominally non-consumptive purposes — brand names include Spice incense, Ivory Wave bath salts and Crystal Clean pipe cleaner — the synthetics are often more potent than the originals, and have been anecdotally linked to violent and psychotic episodes.
Regulating the synthetics has, however, proved exceedingly difficult. The range of possible chemistries is so vast that prohibitions on particular chemical structures can easily be evaded by molecular recombinations.
That’s been the case with existing state synthetic drug laws and a 2010 federal Drug Enforcement Administration ban, and the same will likely hold for the new law.
The law focuses on synthetic cannabinoids, outlawing 15 chemical structures. According to Shanks, this covers most of the compounds popular in the last few years, but law-evading chemistries have already appeared.
Somewhat perplexingly, said Shanks, the law cracks down on 2C, a relatively obscure class of psychedelic synthetics, but goes light on synthetic stimulants, known collectively and infamously as bath salts.
“The only two covered are MDPV and mephedrone,” he said, referencing the two stimulant chemicals named in the law. “In our casework here, we haven’t seen MDPV for quite a while. I’m seeing other compounds.”
In announcing the law’s passage, Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) called it “the final nail in the coffin for the legal sale of bath salts.”
“In this area of Indiana, we’re not seeing any of the classical compounds we’ve seen in the last year,” Shanks said. “We’re seeing the uncontrolled ones. I have no doubt they were designed specifically for that reason.”
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 Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: 5-HT2A] 1
#16520671 - 07/12/12 05:15 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Good. Now more law makers can start to see how pointless this is.
Then they can try to pass a new federal analogue act and they will get sued on the basis that it's unconstitutionally vague and they will lose.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: withoutawire]
#16520701 - 07/12/12 05:21 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Quote:
withoutawire said:
Good. Now more law makers can start to see how pointless this is.
Then they can try to pass a new federal analogue act and they will get sued on the basis that it's unconstitutionally vague and they will lose.
Very likely that this happens.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Lord_McLovin] 3
#16520838 - 07/12/12 05:48 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Dont the media realise they are the reason that the masses now use RC's?
Before they made a story about it everyday only a select in the know responsible people who did research on everything before trying it and not just stuffing it up their nose.
I guess vendors should thank them for the free advertising
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: 5-HT2A] 1
#16520891 - 07/12/12 05:57 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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haha in louisiana when fake pot got big like 2 years ago they banned it, and literally two weeks later there was a new more powerful legal one the shelf, they then decided to make a new bill banning those other substances, and about a month later a new one was on the shelf again, the logic people have when they cook up these bills surpasses me.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: technomobster123] 1
#16520927 - 07/12/12 06:03 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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I don't trust any of these synthetic things... my friend has some 2c-x (forget what one) and I'm hesitant to try it...
But, I certainly think making MORE LAWS is the solution to this problem, without a doubt.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: technomobster123]
#16520938 - 07/12/12 06:04 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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the problem it seems to me is that the newer the grugs get the worse the media says the negative effects are.. weather or not there is any actually truth in this would change my opinion. it is the media after all
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#16521123 - 07/12/12 06:39 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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its a shame to see more of these products, but its also awesome to see the chemists sticking it to the .gov.
quite paradoxical.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#16521150 - 07/12/12 06:45 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: clorox]
#16521213 - 07/12/12 07:01 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Quote:
clorox said:
its a shame to see more of these products, but its also awesome to see the chemists sticking it to the .gov.
quite paradoxical.
Whatever needs to be done to end the drug war and wake people up is okay by me.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#16521239 - 07/12/12 07:06 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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They're making doing drugs more dangerous than it already is in the first place.
We like a certain compound. We spend some time with it, get to know it. We do very unorthodox, but very crucial, research on said compound through rigorous testing(aka doing drugs). Some people push the limits and get injured or die but we eventually can dose safely after testing the waters. They schedule it. Something new comes out. More people get injured and die because we need to figure out how much our fried-ass brains can handle.
And now we need to buy our old favorite compound on the street or whatever because we don't have any legal means of obtaining it any more, so there's a chance I can get a totally different compound than what I'm paying for and potentially injure myself/die.
Completely ignoring the possibility of long-term harm from these compounds of course...
I don't know where I was going there. The DEA wants drug users dead, essentially.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Guernica]
#16521287 - 07/12/12 07:18 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Quote:
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The DEA wants drug users dead, essentially.
At first I thought you were being melodramatic, but I get you. The whole system dealing with substances is flawed, it'll only take a few more years. I hope.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: PP128]
#16521708 - 07/12/12 08:56 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Neeeeener Neeeeener Neeeeeeener!
:P
This shit literally makes me lol
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#16521750 - 07/12/12 09:02 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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can't wait to see what replaces the 2c's
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16522279 - 07/12/12 10:35 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Very excited to see where this goes
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#16522600 - 07/12/12 11:39 PM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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guvurmint pls 
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Almond Flour]
#16522709 - 07/13/12 12:02 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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I don't know what these headshops and bath salt manufacturers are thinking, i guess they must really want to see drug legislation enforced. Because you could always buy designer drugs off the internet since the early 2000s and now just within a year companies in the USA are making all kinds of brand name shit that causes all types of controversy.
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: SheerTerror]
#16522755 - 07/13/12 12:09 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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You should probably take down that first pic
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Re: New Federal Ban on Synthetic Drugs Already Obsolete [Re: Soluminia]
#16522828 - 07/13/12 12:19 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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Damnn, Canadarc.ca leads to the DHS home page o.O
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