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#16503087 - 07/09/12 10:58 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Police say a woman was killed when she hugged an off-duty police officer in Detroit, which caused his gun to fire, fatally wounding her. Adaisha Miller was celebrating the weekend before her 25th birthday at an outside party when the tragic incident happened at around 12.30 a.m. According to police, Adaisha hugged the officer from behind, which caused his "holstered weapon to accidentally discharge." She died in hospital after the bullet punctured her lung and hit her heart. Police say they are investigating the shooting. "For this to happen to her, whether they want to call it freak accident or mistake in judgment, it should have never happened to my child," said Adaisha's mother, Yolanda McNair.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Brennus]
#16503099 - 07/09/12 11:03 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Stuff like this makes me sad.... very tragic loss of life.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: HybridprX] 3
#16503113 - 07/09/12 11:18 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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This is a sad story, but a good reason why guns should have their safeties on when on a person.
I kinda feel sorry for the officer. It's most likely his fault, but now he has to live with that event for te rest of his life.
Also, this thread belongs in the pub as I believe it falls out of the scope of the news service.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Ieponumos]
#16503158 - 07/09/12 11:32 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Adaisha hugged the officer from behind, which caused his "holstered weapon to accidentally discharge." She died in hospital after the bullet punctured her lung and hit her heart
Was she hugging his knees? Whether this was accidental or not that just seems weird.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Ieponumos] 2
#16503376 - 07/09/12 12:48 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Guns don't just go off.
He was off-duty and therefore is responsible for his weapon.
If this was a regular citizen with all the same rights, they would be in prison and this would cause a concealed carry outrage.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Slayer1024]
#16503402 - 07/09/12 12:56 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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the magic bullet! anyways this is pretty sad the officer is probably going to feel like shit for a long while
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: allseeingike]
#16503502 - 07/09/12 01:27 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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There is something that sounds off here. Show me one way to holster a gun upwards and backwards. I can think of one that is backwards, but I can't imagine one that points under the lung and upwards to the heart.... Maybe I am just being paranoid.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: tacodude] 1
#16503516 - 07/09/12 01:32 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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shoulder holster...
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: theshroom]
#16503528 - 07/09/12 01:35 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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theshroom said:
Guns don't just go off.
He was off-duty and therefore is responsible for his weapon.
If this was a regular citizen with all the same rights, they would be in prison and this would cause a concealed carry outrage.
Guns have been known to go off by applying pressure in the wrong place.
He is clearly not responsible for this accident. He had his gun concealed legally and in a proper fashion. I know how much this board loves to get on the hating cops train, but you are pulling at nothing. It was a freak accident and it's sad. There is nothing more to this.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16503569 - 07/09/12 01:44 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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withoutawire I am so glad to hear that you were there to witness this and therefore give us proof that this was a fucked up accident! Oh wait...
I am AOK with questioning this cop... He killed someone, whether it was a freak accident or not, his improperly concealed (not safety'd) weapon ended a young girls life!
I would like to hear some more from the people on the patio who probably watched a scared cop shoot a young girl.
Again, it could be an accident in the truest sense. I have been conditioned not only to not believe anything cops and their leaders say, but I don't trust the media at all.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Doctor_Ew420]
#16503627 - 07/09/12 01:58 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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They do have those holsters that point straight back from your side. You reach and grab it with your hand on the opposite side. If he was taller than her it could easily hit her lung from the holstered position.
I suppose he could have freaked out when someone surprised hugged him from behind and shot first and asked questions later.
We really don't know though so we'll just have to take the article at face value unless more details come out in the investigation.
Edited by dressel11 (07/09/12 01:58 PM)
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: dressel11]
#16503758 - 07/09/12 02:28 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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very very sad.
either i dont understand guns or the world is upside down but dont guns have safety's? i understand revolvers typically do not have them while every hand gun does.
kinda confused about the cop's logic because he was rolling up to a party with a hot gun. ive been through college so i have been to my fair share of parties. never saw anything get too violent to require someone holding a live gun. fist fights settled everything that got too big and those were few and far between.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: theshroom]
#16503928 - 07/09/12 03:06 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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theshroom said:
Guns don't just go off.
He was off-duty and therefore is responsible for his weapon.
If this was a regular citizen with all the same rights, they would be in prison and this would cause a concealed carry outrage.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: tealeaf]
#16504061 - 07/09/12 03:38 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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tealeaf said:
very very sad.
kinda confused about the cop's logic because he was rolling up to a party with a hot gun. ive been through college so i have been to my fair share of parties. never saw anything get too violent to require someone holding a live gun. fist fights settled everything that got too big and those were few and far between.
Idk where you live but in my region, I would love to be able to carry a concealed weapon. Thinking fist fights resolve situations nowadays is kind've naive.
It's a sad accident. If it was anything else witnesses would be attesting to that fact and we would have heard a different story. Just cause many of ya'll don't like the media doesn't mean it's always full of bullshit.
Story seems true, as sad as it is.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: tealeaf]
#16504082 - 07/09/12 03:46 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Doctor_Ew420]
#16504362 - 07/09/12 04:50 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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withoutawire I am so glad to hear that you were there to witness this and therefore give us proof that this was a fucked up accident! Oh wait...
I am AOK with questioning this cop... He killed someone, whether it was a freak accident or not, his improperly concealed (not safety'd) weapon ended a young girls life!
I would like to hear some more from the people on the patio who probably watched a scared cop shoot a young girl.
Again, it could be an accident in the truest sense. I have been conditioned not only to not believe anything cops and their leaders say, but I don't trust the media at all.
Not all guns have safeties. There is no law requiring people to use a safety when they carry guns as well. If a gun was double action it's not carried with any safety on, not to mention guns can go off by applying pressure in the wrong place.
I'm also not naive enough to make up a bunch of unreported facts and try to blame a police officer simply because I don't like them. You on the other hand appear to decide facts before they are presented. That's really too bad because we live in a free country where you are innocent until proven guilty.
Get off your high horse and stop trying to make drama and conspiracy where there isn't any. An accident happened, it's too bad. You come off like a DEA agent trying to get vindictive with people when there is nothing more.
That's what we know for now. The entire story does sound fishy but jumping to conclusions because of a prejudice against officers is wrong. The issue isn't the safety, it's the fact that a holstered weapon means the trigger is covered.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16504507 - 07/09/12 05:27 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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She probably would have lived if she had kicked him in the nuts. God damn cops.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: 5-HT2A] 1
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Wanting to hug a pig is a crime against nature.
Nature took her out.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: 5-HT2A]
#16504838 - 07/09/12 06:49 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Isn't there a thread in the pub RIGHT NOW about how glocks are terrible for a bevvy of reasons?
Who wants to bet this was a glock?
I guarantee it wasn't a revolver.
If this happened to anyone else they'd probably be in jail.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Humility]
#16504892 - 07/09/12 07:01 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Ya, probably a glock.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16505181 - 07/09/12 07:55 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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theshroom said:
If this was a regular citizen with all the same rights, they would be in prison and this would cause a concealed carry outrage.
Defend the officer if you must, but you know this is the truth. If it was me or you we'd be sitting in a holding cell right now, regardless of the circumstances.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Heffy]
#16505401 - 07/09/12 08:34 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Ok yeah sure. The fact of the matter is his job is a LEO, and he was carrying his weapon, and it accidentally misfired when squeezed from behind. His job entails carrying a weapon, and he had a full right to have a concealed handgun on his person.
What's your job?
And to your post, I disagree. If witnesses were there attesting to the fact it was an accident, and a CHL was presented, then there is no reason either you or I would be sitting in a holding cell. A police report would be filed, you might be questioned about usage and prior incidents, and then more than likely released.
Nobody is defending the officer because the officer doesn't need defending. It happened, it was accidental. Why blame the cop when a normal citizen with a CHL could have had the same exact thing happen to him?
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Ieponumos]
#16505537 - 07/09/12 09:02 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Ieponumos said:
This is a sad story, but a good reason why guns should have their safeties on when on a person.
I kinda feel sorry for the officer. It's most likely his fault, but now he has to live with that event for te rest of his life.
Also, this thread belongs in the pub as I believe it falls out of the scope of the news service.
Police weapons don't have a safety. It would get in the way when a gun is needed and officers would die.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: lil_demented]
#16505671 - 07/09/12 09:27 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Glocks do not except a trigger safety and that is the most common police weapon. That doesn't mean police guns do not have safeties.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16505743 - 07/09/12 09:39 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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I want know, who was the cop? What was he doing there? And were there any witnesses? if no one witnessed it first hand then there can definitely be an untold story to this.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: lakelaxrookie49]
#16505781 - 07/09/12 09:45 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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lakelaxrookie49 said:
Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
And if the cop knew it didn't have a safety, he should be held even more responsible. That's why he should have discharged it.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16506412 - 07/09/12 11:36 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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withoutawire said:
Glocks do not except a trigger safety and that is the most common police weapon. That doesn't mean police guns do not have safeties.
Aw, ok. Sounds good to me.  Just every weapon my uncle ever had didn't have a safety.
I never really asked him though.
A good safety would have been "don't keep your fucking gun cocked and ready to go when your off duty at a party."
He will probably get reprimanded a little bit, maybe suspended or fired. But I would have gotten negligent homicide.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: lil_demented]
#16507211 - 07/10/12 01:43 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Almost every comment in this thread disappoints me. Let me elaborate. It seems that probably over half the comments regarding the actual weapon is said by someone that obviously has no knowledge of firearms. It's fine if you don't know about firearms; but keep your ignorant comments to yourself. The most recent example being
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Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
firstly this statement implies that all pistol have a hammer. this just isn't true. A perfect example is any Glock. Secondly he uses the word "semi" when referring to "double action". Semi(automatic) refers to a weapon that loads itself after discharging a bullet. This is almost any pistol out there that isn't a revolver. There is more, but I don't want to demean my words by nitpicking.
the second and third reason I am disappointed is that it seems as if everyone is basing their opinion on the fact that this guy is a cop. through this thread you have both sides of the fence. What this guy does to make money has nothing to do with what happened, not even in the slightest. I will say however that I personally believe that because this person is a cop he will not be treated like a normal civilian. I would even go as far as to say that, to me, it isn't even a secret that he will be treated differently; It's an atrocity, yet no one will say anything about it, at least no one that matters.
the simple fact is that a woman hugged a man, and the firearm under the possession and control of that man went off and killed the other person. This almost always will come down to irresponsible actions on the part of the person in possession of the firearm. There are exceptions but they are few and far between. To be honest I would sleep well at night knowing a cop (any cop) is getting ass raped in a prison he put so many but whether or not criminal charges should be brought will depend on his handling of the firearm. The fact that he is a cop certainly implies that he knows how to safely operate a firearm, but there is a video on youtube of a DEA agent shooting hiself in the foot in front of a class of children so who the hell can say for sure.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: jackoutofthebox]
#16507385 - 07/10/12 02:16 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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dammit guys, we disappointed the newb.
Oh, and that post was too damn long, I didn't even bother to read it.
Now I'm disappointed. edit it and try again please.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: tacodude]
#16507487 - 07/10/12 02:38 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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sounds like a shoulder holster, IE if you were right handed itd be kinda under your left armpit area with the barrel pointed behind you.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: lil_demented]
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not living in the USA i know nothing about guns i'm not sure but wouldn't a police issue hand gun have a safety?
his gun went off and killed someone that was doing nothing wrong, at the very least he should be charged with manslaughter.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: lil_demented]
#16507593 - 07/10/12 03:00 AM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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dammit guys, we disappointed the newb.
Oh, and that post was too damn long, I didn't even bother to read it.
Now I'm disappointed. edit it and try again please.
I don't really think you are in a position to call me a noob. I just usually enjoy lurking. In fact I lurked for sometime before even grabbing a name.
I have a feeling your second sentence represents who you are fairly accurately. Too lazy to even read words on a screen, yet quick to judge others. I wasn't really looking for an argument. I just thought I would put some thoughts down. whether or not you read them makes no difference to me. I am flattered you would take the time to respond to me though.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Ieponumos]
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Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
And if the cop knew it didn't have a safety, he should be held even more responsible. That's why he should have discharged it.
Why would you EVER, EVER carry a single action gun and not have it be cocked? You realize how moronic that is? You might as well holster a potato.
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lakelaxrookie49 said:
Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
And if the cop knew it didn't have a safety, he should be held even more responsible. That's why he should have discharged it.
Why would you EVER, EVER carry a single action gun and not have it be cocked? You realize how moronic that is? You might as well holster a potato.
You're joking right? Of course you aren't.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16508802 - 07/10/12 12:26 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
And if the cop knew it didn't have a safety, he should be held even more responsible. That's why he should have discharged it.
Why would you EVER, EVER carry a single action gun and not have it be cocked? You realize how moronic that is? You might as well holster a potato.
Except my potato is made of steel. If you have ever been pistol whipped you know that ammo isnt the only thing that makes it a weapon.
Also, the cop was off duty. I know crimes can happen in the spur of a moment and that's all it takes, but still one ought consider shit like the story above happening. His counter-stupidity (which if it was the described situation of a cocked single action then you just endorsed it) cost a him an unnecessarily-taken life.
I don't really see the point of keeping it cocked when you're not in imminent danger.
I'd rather be called an idiot with a steel potato in my hand than a reckless endangerment to my fellow person. (edited for grammar and clarity)
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Humility]
#16508969 - 07/10/12 01:14 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Not all guns have safeties. once there is one in the chamber its good to go. It's perfectly legal in most conceal carry states to have one in the chamber. neither of my pistols have safeties.
Single action or semi? It's nearly impossible (to my knowledge) for this accident to have been the result of a single action unless the hammer was cocked which would be utterly moronic and make this the cop's complete fault. But a semi ... oh yeah it's possible and then some.
And if the cop knew it didn't have a safety, he should be held even more responsible. That's why he should have discharged it.
Why would you EVER, EVER carry a single action gun and not have it be cocked? You realize how moronic that is? You might as well holster a potato.
You're joking right? Of course you aren't.
You're joking right? Why would you EVER carry a concealed weapon that has to be drawn, cocked, and then re-aimed.
Take five minutes to go on any gun forum. A single action weapon that is concealed carried is ALWAYS ALWAYS carried cocked and locked. That means the safety is ON. A holstered weapon, the trigger is covered. it cannot be accidentally discharged. That plus the fact that the safety is on are two preventions from accidental discharge.
A gun is USELESS if it's not ready to go. Now if you conceal carried you'd know that.
Lol, so your gonna start bashing heads with a pistol? Why not carry a hammer? A weapon is a safety tool. It should be ready to go. It's no different than gas in a car. Both have the potential for death and destruction but with proper safety handling it's extremely safe.
There are 1 million active concealed weapon permits in the state of Florida alone. There are 350,000 in the state of Michigan. Single action weapons are carried cocked and locked by hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis in a safe manor EVERY single day.
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I don't really see the point of keeping it cocked when you're not in imminent danger.
How would a situation be dangerous if you knew the outcome and what was going to happen. This isn't the minority report. 1/10ths of a second count when you are being robbed or some asshole recognizes the cop who arrested him, is drunk, and wants to beat him with pipe. Gun is completely useless if it's not ready to be used. There are safety procedures that completely prevent accidental discharge.
1. Safety on
2. Holstered weapons triggers are covered
3. A weapon is drawn WITHOUT the finger on the trigger
4. A gun is not drawn unless a life is in danger
These simple steps allow guns to be carried all day every day. Cocked and locked in single action. How many people carry a 1911? That's a single action weapon. Glocks are single action WITHOUT a safety.
Honestly this entire story just isn't adding up. Guns don't just go off without pulling the trigger. The gun I was thinking of that's been known to do that was a rifle and it's problem was solved. This entire story sounds like bullshit and a cover up.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Slayer1024]
#16509006 - 07/10/12 01:23 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Adaisha hugged the officer from behind, which caused his "holstered weapon to accidentally discharge." She died in hospital after the bullet punctured her lung and hit her heart
Was she hugging his knees? Whether this was accidental or not that just seems weird.
Off duty officers tend to wear vest-style harnesses, or i dunno what they're called, they look like suspenders and the gun is on their side... They're concealed, not the type of harness you put on your belt.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16509025 - 07/10/12 01:28 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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^^^this is a sholder holster. Most police are issued Smith & Wesson M&P .40 which do have a dual safety. There is a thumb safety, which is generally left, open due to the fact that their is also a safety on the trigger, meaning the trigger is much harder to be accidentally pulled.
Police are also trained to carry their weapons with one in the chamber. Having to chamber a round after drawing it will get you killed.
That being said, guns like these can unfortunately discharge without the trigger being pulled if enough pressure is applied to cause the pin to release from its spring loaded catch...
People just shouldnt go around squeezing guns even in holsters. Unfortunately it seems as though this victim was unaware of the guns presence.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: SleeveOfWizard]
#16509054 - 07/10/12 01:35 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Actually that's not true. With the exception of some old fire arms and a remington 700 problem that was fixed, guns do not go off unless the trigger is pulled. The firing pin has to hit the primer with force. You can't just push on a piece of steel with your finger and cause this to happen.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gun+firing+without+trigger+being+pulled&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
MP40 is not issued to all officers. The glock was the most common police issued firearm. Now it's mixed up depending on the department and many many police officers choose to buy their own guns.
Shoulder holsters are TERRIBLE holsters. They prevent any quick draw. This holsters are not worn unless it's winter time because they are worn under heavy open coats.
I'm going to assume this as not the case considering it's the middle of july.
My bullshit meter is going crazy.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16509110 - 07/10/12 01:46 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Who knows, I doubt he shot her on purpose though, he probably was just mishandling his own equipment, or didn't follow safety procedures, didn't have the safety on, etc. He is at fault, but I highly doubt he went "hmm I wonder if I can blow a hole in this girl's heart on her birthday."....
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Maverick]
#16509133 - 07/10/12 01:50 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Who knows, I doubt he shot her on purpose though, he probably was just mishandling his own equipment, or didn't follow safety procedures, didn't have the safety on, etc. He is at fault, but I highly doubt he went "hmm I wonder if I can blow a hole in this girl's heart on her birthday."....
I completely agree. It sounds like he mishandled his weapon.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16509860 - 07/10/12 04:05 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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The gun I was thinking of that's been known to do that was a rifle and it's problem was solved.
was this the Remington 770? If so I wasn't aware that Remington fixed this problem last I heard they were still denying it even existed. I actually own this a 770 because I needed a cheap hunting rifle. Now, because of the problem, I don't even take it to the range anymore.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: jackoutofthebox]
#16509930 - 07/10/12 04:21 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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It was the 700. They redesigned the trigger unit after 2007 but they have never fully admitted the problem.
I sold my remington 700. The thing was a piece of shit.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16510666 - 07/10/12 07:12 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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o yea the 700. I got the number mixed up. I think 2007 was a little late. Weren't they in production for like 40 years prior or something like that.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: jackoutofthebox]
#16511124 - 07/10/12 09:12 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: withoutawire]
#16511555 - 07/10/12 10:40 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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withoutawire said:
It sounds like he mishandled his weapon.
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withoutawire said:Why would you EVER, EVER carry a single action gun and not have it be cocked? You realize how moronic that is? You might as well holster a potato.
You're joking right? Why would you EVER carry a concealed weapon that has to be drawn, cocked, and then re-aimed.
Take five minutes to go on any gun forum. A single action weapon that is concealed carried is ALWAYS ALWAYS carried cocked and locked. That means the safety is ON.
A gun is USELESS if it's not ready to go. Now if you conceal carried you'd know that
Sorry man. I'm going from experience with single actions without safeties, that's what I was speaking of. That would be, for conceal carry purposes however, a rather stupid choice when there are guns much more designed for pull and plug use. Most likely, in this case, something isn't being told to the public like you said.
Only like two or three guns in my home have safeties. Only one is loaded, but it's a .38 double action so it's ready to rumble. My dad has a CCP and he takes that liberty only when far away from home. I don't. I know I could get one though, I have no criminal record.
Call me ignorant and foolish, but I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer without a safety on me, that's what I meant by my statement. If it has a safety, that I can live with.
I can tell you have much more experience with firearms.
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Lol, so your gonna start bashing heads with a pistol? Why not carry a hammer? A weapon is a safety tool. It should be ready to go. It's no different than gas in a car. Both have the potential for death and destruction but with proper safety handling it's extremely safe.
There are 1 million active concealed weapon permits in the state of Florida alone. There are 350,000 in the state of Michigan. Single action weapons are carried cocked and locked by hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis in a safe manor EVERY single day.
For every few thousand people that are sensible, you do find the occasional misstep. Just like with a motor vehicle a moment of inattention or distraction can be the difference between life and death.
I figured it would be best for safety to keep it uncocked if without a safety, but the points you raise about weapon readiness are most valid. I will say I now know I'll be carrying one that has at least a manual safety.
May I ask what safety you would recommend best from experience?
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How would a situation be dangerous if you knew the outcome and what was going to happen. This isn't the minority report. 1/10ths of a second count when you are being robbed or some asshole recognizes the cop who arrested him, is drunk, and wants to beat him with pipe. Gun is completely useless if it's not ready to be used. There are safety procedures that completely prevent accidental discharge.
True that, plus there is the possibility of a jam or some like situation when cocking. For sure, there is something that the officer didn't do right.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: Ieponumos]
#16511597 - 07/10/12 10:50 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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It must have been one tight ass hug. 
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: JoshuaTree] 1
#16512014 - 07/11/12 12:06 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: durian_2008]
#16512081 - 07/11/12 12:19 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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That's local law enforcements new memo.
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: durian_2008]
#16512353 - 07/11/12 01:12 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: theshroom]
#16513042 - 07/11/12 07:15 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Guns don't just go off.
He was off-duty and therefore is responsible for his weapon.
If this was a regular citizen with all the same rights, they would be in prison and this would cause a concealed carry outrage.
Yup. When it comes to cops you can ever know what really happened anyway. Cops watch out for eachother, if a buddy came on the scene first he could have asked the guy to make a report that confirmed his story. And thats not paranoia, that shit happens every day
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire (moved) [Re: Brennus]
#16513430 - 07/11/12 11:09 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Woman killed after hug caused cop's gun to fire [Re: naum]
#16513450 - 07/11/12 11:15 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Fucking pigs. Fuck all of them. I dont even give a fuck if they do their job correctly, they all deserve to die.
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