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 Enlil
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 Re: trayvon martin shooting  [Re: Diploid]
#16490748 - 07/06/12 05:05 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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OMG! I'VE BEEN EXPOSED!!!
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16490752 - 07/06/12 05:06 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Thats still my favorite gif image.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16490788 - 07/06/12 05:15 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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(CNN) -- George Zimmerman was released from jail on Friday, one day after a Florida judge set bail at $1 million.
Judge Kenneth R. Lester Jr. found that Zimmerman's deceit over cash holdings at his first bond hearing in April was not enough to hold him without bail. However, he also said he believed the suspect may have been planning to flee the country to avoid prosecution in the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman had to post 10% of the $1 million -- or $100,000 -- to meet the requirement for release.
He wore a white dress shirt under a gray suit as he walked out of jail and into a waiting SUV.
"We are confident and comfortable that George will be safe," Zimmerman's attorney, Don West, told CNN outside the jail following his client's release.
"We were hoping the bail would be considerably less than what it was. And we will take the judge's comments to heart, but we don't necessarily agree with them and we will decide what is next," he said.
An initial bond of $150,000 was revoked last month after Lester learned that Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, had failed to disclose more than $150,000 in donations from the public.
The judge's order Thursday said that the new $1 million bail order was not a punishment but an amount that assured the court that Zimmerman would not abscond.
In his ruling, Lester wrote about the first bond hearing and noted an undisclosed second passport kept in Zimmerman's safe deposit box.
"Notably, together with the passport, the money only had to be hidden for a short time for him to leave the country if the defendant made a quick decision to flee," the judge said. "It is entirely reasonable for this court to find that, but for the requirement that he be placed on electronic monitoring, the defendant and his wife would have fled the United States with at least $130,000 of other people's money."
Lester wrote the defendant's plans to flee were "thwarted."
Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in Martin's February 26 shooting death. Under Florida law, second-degree murder is a bondable offense.
Speaking to reporters in New Orleans before Zimmerman left jail, Martin's parents said they are struggling, but have faith all will end well.
"As we said from the beginning, we have strong faith in God," said Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father. "And we'll continue to lean on God and ask Him to give us the strength and continue to give us the faith in the justice system, and justice will prevail."
Judge Lester imposed new restrictions on Zimmerman that he did not face when he was out on bond the first time.
Zimmerman must report to officials every two days, cannot open or maintain a bank account and cannot be on the property of an airport. He also cannot apply for or obtain a passport.
He must abide by a curfew from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m., and like before, will be monitored electronically.
Zimmerman, a Sanford neighborhood watch volunteer, acknowledged fatally shooting the unarmed Martin after calling police to report a suspicious person. Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, said Martin attacked him.
CNN
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 zappaisgod
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts] 2
#16490854 - 07/06/12 05:33 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
When is the public 100% in the know?
Never. Why is this thread 130 pages of mostly ignorant, idiotic and deceptive speculation abut something that is of almost no import?
More people went on soc sec disability in June than got new jobs.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16490858 - 07/06/12 05:34 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Just listened to the GF's statements again.
It sounds pretty legit until she starts saying Trayvon isn't going to run because she knows he is tired. I am kinda surprised the investigator didn't press her further on that one.
I have to imagine her phone records match the timeline but I have not yet seen them.
It is interesting that Martin's phone allegedly fell and eventually turned off after the start of the fight but before the gunshot. I wonder if Zimmerman said anything about the phone, ever. Gotta watch his reinactment.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Cervantes]
#16490892 - 07/06/12 05:41 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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People seem to forget that Martin had just walked nearly two miles before his encounter with Zimmerman. He had reason to be tired.
Also, I believe he was usin one a those bluetooth kajiggers, which could explain why Zimmerman thought he was on drugs.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#16490918 - 07/06/12 05:47 PM (10 months, 7 days ago) |
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Walking is not tiring. He was an athletic young man. It would be no problem to shake the fat guy. No problem at all.
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DeadHearts
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: zappaisgod]
#16491000 - 07/06/12 06:11 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Walking is not tiring. He was an athletic young man. It would be no problem to shake the fat guy. No problem at all.
I am athletic and even more so when I was his age.
Sprinting is strenuous on the body and fear / adrenalin can
Really get that heart rate up. Him being tired is understandable.
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Cervantes
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Baby_Hitler said:
People seem to forget that Martin had just walked nearly two miles before his encounter with Zimmerman. He had reason to be tired.
Also, I believe he was usin one a those bluetooth kajiggers, which could explain why Zimmerman thought he was on drugs.
Yup, Bluetooth. Well, that explains a lot.
Just watched Zimmerman's reinactment. Can't believe I haven't yet seen the whole thing.
It is interesting, there are quite a few inconsistencies particularly when he is describing the details of his phone call. Nothing major, but they all seem to shine a better light on him. He suggests many times that the dispatcher wanted him to follow Martin, for example. He neglects to mention running after Martin and he never mentions being told he didn't need to follow Martin.
The place he said he killed Martin is quite a few meters away from where I have seen the place of death marked. That is understandable when adrenaline is flowing, I mean all the houses look the same. It was raining. Or, maybe the maps are wrong. But it also makes it look like Zimmerman was only walking towards his truck when Martin struck. The reported place of death was in an entirely different yard, I believe.
Finally, he states his gun was holstered on his right hip, and that he reached into the wrong pocket first, to grab his phone, then the other one. He said he looked down at his pants pocket to get his phone. The very pocket his gun was holstered next to according to Zimmerman's own account. Then Trayvon attacked.
Boy, it sure seems like Zimmerman was not telling the entire truth during the reinactment.
And it seems much more plausible to me, that Zimmerman may have been reaching for his gun thus provoking Trayvon's attack.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts]
#16491031 - 07/06/12 06:18 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Adrenaline would actually help you run longer.
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DeadHearts
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: frylock91]
#16491044 - 07/06/12 06:21 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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frylock91 said:
Adrenaline would actually help you run longer.
I did not say it wouldnt but it gets the heart rate up which would explain
The GF testimony of the heavy breathing. Which one of you doesn't breathe hard after running?
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts] 3
#16491205 - 07/06/12 06:56 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Enlil said:
If you were king...what would the law be? When would you allow the use of deadly force in defense of self?
Speaking in terms of this case alone. If a person is followed runs away only to find that person
following them again should be grounds for self defense in my opinion. That is a reasonable cause
for bodily harm. No I dont think that should warrant killing that person unless further evidence shows
reason enough to do so.
So self defense against someone following you... is OK.
But self defense against someone pounding your head... is not.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts]
#16491215 - 07/06/12 06:58 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
If you cannot back your claims there in no reason to believe you. Just words on a message board.
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Thomas Sowell
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DeadHearts
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luvdemshrooms said:
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DeadHearts said:
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Enlil said:
If you were king...what would the law be? When would you allow the use of deadly force in defense of self?
Speaking in terms of this case alone. If a person is followed runs away only to find that person
following them again should be grounds for self defense in my opinion. That is a reasonable cause
for bodily harm. No I dont think that should warrant killing that person unless further evidence shows
reason enough to do so.
So self defense against someone following you... is OK.
But self defense against someone pounding your head... is not.
Hey there's the pounding the head argument again. Anyways I didn't
Say that. If Martin attacked first then of course Zimmerman had the right to
Defend himself. We don't know who attacked who first that's all there is too it.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts] 2
#16491255 - 07/06/12 07:05 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
Walking is not tiring. He was an athletic young man. It would be no problem to shake the fat guy. No problem at all.
I am athletic and even more so when I was his age.
Sprinting is strenuous on the body and fear / adrenalin can
Really get that heart rate up. Him being tired is understandable.
What, in your deranged mind, equates sprinting with walking?
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#16491772 - 07/06/12 09:03 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I just finished watching Zimmerman's video interrogation and lie detector test. It is worth a watch but the interrogation doesn't start until more than 20 minutes in. This does flesh out some of the inconsistencies I noticed during the reenactment.
I finally have a free day to catch up on some of this stuff. Woohoo!
Some thoughts.
Zimmerman DOES mention being told by the dispatcher that he didn't need to follow Martin. He states he stopped following at that point. This differs slightly from his reenactment (it seems he did keep looking, sorta' in his reenactment) but since he doesn't mention it at all during the reenactment, I may be wrong in my time line.
Zimmerman states he reached for his pants pocket to get his phone, then realized it was in his jacket. What was between his pants pocket and his jacket pocket? His holstered gun. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin after twice reaching TOWARDS (not necessarily FOR) his gun.
Whenever he mentions reaching for his phone, Zimmerman gestures in a very similar way as compared to whenever he mentions reaching for his gun.
The lie detector test consisted of nine questions. Only two of the questions concerned the shooting. The first, did he fear for his life at the time of the shooting? Yes, he said he did. The other question was did he confront Martin? No, he said he did not. The rest of the questions were about other stuff. Is his name George? Is it Monday? Yes to both. Two questions were supposed to be answered falsely. Are the walls green? Have you ever gone over the legal speed limit? The answers to both questions were yes but he was instructed to answer no. One question was intentionally meant to confuse Zimmerman. Am I wearing a watch? The interrogator was not wearing one, Zimmerman guessed correctly but clearly did not know for sure.
Here is where things get interesting. After the test, Zimmerman is informed that the test will now be repeated. The first test does not count. That taking a lie detector test is stressful (the test basically looks for signs of extra stress) so he will get to answer all the questions again, in the same order. Then, and THIS IS WHAT BLEW MY FUCKING MIND, the officer conducting the test tells Zimmerman not to elongate or stutter his answers (N-no) because it makes him sound uncertain. Now I'm no expert, but that sure seems like a tip from the investigator, in how to sound more honest to the machine which was using his voice to measure stress levels... before THE TEST was finished. I also don't know if it is protocol to conduct the same test twice or if tests commonly contain only two important questions. I am starting to see why such tests are unreliable and inadmissible.
Only two questions? How 'bout, "Were you reaching for your gun when he attacked you?"
So according to Zimmerman, he was walking back to his vehicle when Martin appeared "Out of nowhere." - Zimmerman's own words. Zimmerman is asked if he has a problem. He states that he does not. Zimerman is then informed by Martin that yes, indeed, he does in fact, have a problem now. Zimmerman does what any law abiding, armed, Neighborhood Watchman would do at that point. Instead of going for his gun, he goes for his phone which just so happens to be right next to his gun. First he tries his pants pocket. Nothing. Then he remembers he put the phone in his jacket pocket, right outside his holstered weapon. At this point, he has to break eye contact with Martin in order to find his phone, not his gun (Martin does not learn about the gun until later). Irrationally, Martin attacks Zimmerman, the lawful Neighborhood Watchman who is innocently reaching for his phone, because making a call when you are face to face with a teen you just called the cops about, is what armed people do in these situations. I mean, this suspicious teen just came from nowhere and then threatened the armed Zimerman so he fumbled around for his phone, I guess Zimmerman figured THAT would show Martin not to threaten him. Why run or back away from the threat? Instead, Zimmerman decided THAT was the perfect time to make a phone call.
The fight was on. Zimmerman was punched in the face. They struggled and moved down the path and away from Zimmerman's vehicle. His head felt like it was going to explode. Eventually, Martin pinned Zimmerman. Zimmerman's body was on grass and his head was on concrete. Martin hit Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk. Ouch. Then, and only then did Zimmerman's jacket come up exposing his concealed weapon. At this point, Martin conveniently informs Zimmerman of his intent to kill him. Furthering the convenience, only then does Martin reach for Zimmerman's gun. Zimmerman is too fast for Martin though, and since he has patiently waited for Martin to explain his intent to kill and for Martin to reach for Zimmerman's own weapon, Zimmerman does what any law abiding Neighborhood Watchman would do in that situation. He reached for his phone. Kidding. He draws his gun, shoots and ultimately kills Trayvon Martin.
Which brings me back to the two questions Zimmerman was asked during the lie detector test. Did Zimmerman confront Martin? Did Zimmerman fear for his life? He could have answered both questions honestly (even without coaching) and still be a murderer.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: zappaisgod]
#16492206 - 07/06/12 10:52 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
Walking is not tiring. He was an athletic young man. It would be no problem to shake the fat guy. No problem at all.
I am athletic and even more so when I was his age.
Sprinting is strenuous on the body and fear / adrenalin can
Really get that heart rate up. Him being tired is understandable.
What, in your deranged mind, equates sprinting with walking?
Zimmerman said he ran and martins GF said he ran.
What else do you want me to think
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts]
#16492586 - 07/07/12 12:04 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
Walking is not tiring. He was an athletic young man. It would be no problem to shake the fat guy. No problem at all.
I am athletic and even more so when I was his age.
Sprinting is strenuous on the body and fear / adrenalin can
Really get that heart rate up. Him being tired is understandable.
What, in your deranged mind, equates sprinting with walking?
Zimmerman said he ran and martins GF said he ran.
What else do you want me to think
The context of the discussion was the distance (two miles?) from the store where Martin made his purchase to the residence where Martin was staying. It seems unlikely that Martin ran/sprinted the entire distance, as it would be difficult to talk to his girlfriend at the same time. Also, there is no evidence that Zimmerman started following Martin at the store.
Given that Zimmerman was on the phone, and the distance involved, it is most likely that Martin walked from the store until the encounter with Zimmerman. Speculation on my part, but it seems reasonable.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Seuss] 1
#16492740 - 07/07/12 12:35 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I don't think anybody suggested he had been running to and from the store.
I brought it up because Pris mentioned the girlfriend at one point saying he said he was near his father's house, using that as evidence that he had reached his father's house, when, in fact, the spot where he was killed was near his father's house.
There has yet to be any evidence that Martin turned around and approached Zimmerman.
Not that it matters much, since even if he did, it was not illegal for him to do so.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: DeadHearts]
#16493099 - 07/07/12 01:53 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Diploid said:
WHat happens when the flight aspects doesnt work?
It DID work. He got home. Girlfriend confirms this. Then, as has been pointed out to you, he ended up 200 meters from home sitting on Zimmerman.
Source?
as has already been pointed out dozens of times, the girlfriend's statements
confirm it. he told his girlfriend that he was next to his fathers home,
should we now assume that she lied?
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frylock91 said:
Adrenaline would actually help you run longer.
I did not say it wouldnt but it gets the heart rate up which would explain
The GF testimony of the heavy breathing. Which one of you doesn't breathe hard after running?
n athlete making a 100 yard sprint, he could be winded which leads us back
to the question of "how did trayvon martin end up shot where his body was
when he'd sprinted the 100+ yards AWAY from zimmerman and ended up at his
father's house?"
well, care to speculate on why he went back to assault zimmerman
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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