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 zappaisgod
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 Re: Socialized Medicine  [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16466206 - 07/01/12 06:48 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Poor people who I have to support are bums.
Once again, you act like you're the only one who pays taxes.
I act like I'm the one who pays a far disproportionate amount .Quote:
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The proof is that Obaam said if I liked the plan I was on I could keep it. That was a lie.
You still haven't showed causative proof that it was due to "Obamacare"
You still don't get the point. The cunt said I could keep my plan and he lied. I couldn't. Quote:
You also said it was a plan you "kinda wanted" as in, you didn't have it yet?
No, I mean it had way more mandated coverage than I wanted. For instance the only policy I could buy at all included a whole bunch of government mandated shit I had no use for. Like rehab and regular doctor visits. I didn't want that. I wanted disaster coverage. That's allQuote:
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The bottom 50% doesn't pay anything in income taxes. Thanks for nothing.
Thanks for nothing? Many of those people who do not make enough to pay federal income taxes stock the shelves at the stores you frequent, check out your items at the register, cook your food when you go out to eat, wash the table you sit at, clean the bathrooms you shit in, etc.
Oddly enough I paid them for those services by participating in the free market. Quote:
Do you think that these people should just go die?
They can do what they want. I already paid them.Quote:
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I'm not extremely wealthy and everybody deserves to die
Do they deserve to die when they could be treated? Being in the 1% doesn't make you extremely wealthy? I'm sorry, do you have to bathe in 24k gold to be considered wealthy?
It took us 30+ years to get here, we finally made it and have 3 kids in university. We didn't make top 1% money our whole lives. We sweated and counted paper towels and worried. Now, and only now, do we have major income and we are getting cornholed by bums.Quote:
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I've lost money on insurance over the decades.
Of course you've lost money on insurance, you are paying for the INSURANCE, that is how the system works. The fuck ?
That is precisely why the insurance mandate is crap. If I could have taken all the money from paychecks and put it in a health savings account I would be quite well up. But those choices weren't allowed. By law.
I'm not paying for the insurance I want. The insurance I want is not allowed.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16466364 - 07/01/12 07:10 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Or does the insurance you want not exist?
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 imachavel
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16467822 - 07/01/12 11:23 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Two cancer treatments? That must have cost in the 7 figures.
Now what if you weren't extremely wealthy? Would you then deserve to die?
the concept of Obama Care isn't disgusting. The implementation of it is. People who aren't extremely wealthy don't deserve to die. People who aren't extremely wealthy also shouldn't have to pay for other people who don't deserve to die.
Communism as a government brought up the same arguments. Do you think certain people should own more then others? Why shouldn't everyone work the same and own the same? Say, I hear communist countries have some universal health care plan, I wonder how well it works. Have you considered moving to Cuba and becoming a permanent resident? Don't quote me I'm not extremely well educated on communism, simply because I DON'T BELIEVE IN SLAVERY WITH BULLSHIT GAMES IN POLITICAL MANDATES THAT CATER TO SOME IDEOLOGY THAT EVERYONE IS GETTING AN EQUAL CHANCE AT LIFE AND FREEDOM
Hmmmm, kind of re minds me of another discussion we are having, doesn't it
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: imachavel]
#16468012 - 07/02/12 12:09 AM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Then stop fucking complaining and come up with something fucking better, holy fucking shit. Whine whine whine that shit isn't good enough, when you have no solution for the problem.
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Memories
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16468017 - 07/02/12 12:10 AM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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The only solution is to stop making solutions.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: Memories]
#16468085 - 07/02/12 12:26 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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The only solution is to stop making solutions.
Amazing solution.
Where are the resources that back up this astounding claim?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: DeadHearts]
#16468157 - 07/02/12 12:40 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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You can always imagine problems and ceaselessly search for their solutions. Or you can accept shit for what it is and deal with it.
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"I noticed that the feeling from mxe is better when you refrain from masturbating a day or two before, a few times when I masturbated before usage I got this WEIRD look in my eyes and it caused me to not be able to have eye contact with people, my eyes were more squinted and my face looked more puffy, but without masterbating that day or the day before I felt great, it actually felt somewhat like a different drug.
Anyone notice this?"
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: Memories]
#16468173 - 07/02/12 12:45 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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You can always imagine problems and ceaselessly search for their solutions. Or you can accept shit for what it is and deal with it.
Interesting solution to deal with finding solutions to problems 
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: DeadHearts]
#16468199 - 07/02/12 12:50 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Interesting solution to deal with finding solutions to problems
Stop looking at the problems, and you don't need a solution 
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16468222 - 07/02/12 12:56 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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The smallest of tasks need solutions. You may not even realize you subconsciously solve
these simple problems/tasks all the time. You are doing it as you write back your responses.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: DeadHearts]
#16468272 - 07/02/12 01:11 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. 
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: DieCommie]
#16468326 - 07/02/12 01:27 AM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Unless youre in suspension
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imachavel
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16470199 - 07/02/12 03:08 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Then stop fucking complaining and come up with something fucking better, holy fucking shit. Whine whine whine that shit isn't good enough, when you have no solution for the problem.
what the fuck have you done besides whine? What solutions have you come up with? What the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16472336 - 07/02/12 10:51 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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If doctors get paid less there will be fewer doctors. See: Canada.
Same with Finland. Massive shortage of specialists. If you have cancer it takes months to see the specialist.
If you pay them less then they won't pursue training in specialized fields, because what's the point if 3-4 more years of vigorous training means no extra pay?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: Enlil]
#16472337 - 07/02/12 10:51 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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starfire_xes said:
One of my big waiting anxiously  moments coming up is the catholic churches lawsuit against Obamacare.
If the supremes rule they must comply with the Abortion treatment requirements, the church has flat out stated IT WILL CLOSE ALL CATHOLIC HOSPITALS in the US on moral grounds.
That would be 700,000 people out of work. 
Maybe, but anything that makes churches look bad is okay by me...
it's less access to affordable health care for lower income families
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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what the fuck have you done besides whine? What solutions have you come up with? What the fuck are you talking about?
The only thing I've "whined" about is that people are more worried about every single possible piece of shit reason why this entire piece of legislation sucks, instead of talking about why it is great in some aspects and terrible in others. I don't like the fucking mandate. I think it is stupid. But, I'm not going to sit here and let something that is the biggest step in improving the general welfare of this country since... Since I've been alive at least, get lambasted by people that either don't know what they're talking about, or know enough about what they're talking about to be dangerous (as in manipulative).
Yeah, it isn't the right way to do it, but what is then? I like two-tier, so the fat cats on the top like zappaisgod can buy all the cancer treatment he wants out of pocket, and the poor man he calls an irresponsible bum for staying poor to prevent his daughter from dying, can take a promotion and still save his daughter. ut also so that if you're sick and you need a fucking $.50 bottle of penicillin you can go to the doctor, free of charge, or completely at cost, and get the care you need before the $.50 bottle of penicillin becomes a $50,000 ER visit for a severe condition that could have been prevented.
Then all these New CON tools start bitching about every tax that is bundled in the package. Guess what, tough fucking luck. The people making huge amounts of money every fucking year sucking money out of the average guy's pockets for hidden fees... Think about it. WalMart pays their employees shit, prevents them from getting any benefits, and discriminates against women workers. Then what do they do to all their employees that they've already boned once? Convince them to shop at their store ( to save 8 cents on a tomato, or 3 cents on a can of sauerkraut), so they in effect, pay them even less.
I tip 25% for average service, more for good service. When somebody asks me to donate a dollar for something I don't even think about it, I say yes. I don't make that much fucking money, right around average for my area for a single male of my age, but I realize that being a selfish greedy bastard who says "fuck you" to everyone who needs help doesn't benefit anybody. We wouldn't need a socialist government if people were raised to be empathetic and compassionate, but instead, they're raised to think if you don't make money, you don't mean shit.
You want someone to fucking whine? I'll whine. I'll whine about all the ignorant MF's in this country that would rather make something political and divisive instead of working together in a democratic process.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: DeadHearts]
#16475813 - 07/03/12 05:50 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Interesting solution to deal with finding solutions to problems
Stop looking at the problems, and you don't need a solution
That emoticon is quite convincing, but I will hold to my original position.
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DeadHearts said:
The smallest of tasks need solutions. You may not even realize you subconsciously solve
these simple problems/tasks all the time. You are doing it as you write back your responses.
You are right, so let me refine my previous statement. I ignore problems that aren't within my control. Obviously the line as to where something is considered 'within my control' will be rather shaky.
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"I noticed that the feeling from mxe is better when you refrain from masturbating a day or two before, a few times when I masturbated before usage I got this WEIRD look in my eyes and it caused me to not be able to have eye contact with people, my eyes were more squinted and my face looked more puffy, but without masterbating that day or the day before I felt great, it actually felt somewhat like a different drug.
Anyone notice this?"
- Chowder963
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16476788 - 07/03/12 09:16 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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I agree, helping sick dying Americans is very nice. However, this doesn't address the issue. The issue is it's too expensive, and the government doesn't pay for our health care.
Now they still don't, we are getting taxed extra, to give hand outs to insurance companies. And we pay more. Most people who can afford the tax can already afford Medicare. Well I'm glad Obama care truly does take care of the sick and unhealthy, because with all the families in the streets, there are going to be a lot of sick and unhealthy. Let's hope when they are admitted, that cost is going to be paid for. So in all fairness, benefit well sick ones. Now to question #2
How about putting more competent doctors into hospitals. How many surgeries have you heard of that interns have fucked up, that people need to pay the hospital for surgery, but the interns get no beneficial payment, so the surgery is cheaper. Then people die in the operating room. Will health care also become more qualified? Or is this obama mandate going to end up creating VA type treatment centers, if you've been to the va before, you know that if you are a veteran, and almost died for your country, they are going to give you the absolutely most shitty treatment you could ever get
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: imachavel]
#16476844 - 07/03/12 09:28 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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The more profit based medicine is, the more efficient and cut-throat it will be. The owner won't let some fuckwit keep messing up incisions.
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"I noticed that the feeling from mxe is better when you refrain from masturbating a day or two before, a few times when I masturbated before usage I got this WEIRD look in my eyes and it caused me to not be able to have eye contact with people, my eyes were more squinted and my face looked more puffy, but without masterbating that day or the day before I felt great, it actually felt somewhat like a different drug.
Anyone notice this?"
- Chowder963
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: Memories]
#16476861 - 07/03/12 09:30 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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I don't know if I like the idea of medicine being "cut-throat."
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