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 Riboflavin
 
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 Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... 
#16470190 - 07/02/12 03:06 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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I'm curious to see how this turns out, I used 15lbs of munich but am pretty sure I didn't get the best mash efficiency, my volume ended up being about six gallons and I ended up with a 1060 o.g. I mashed at 149 degrees for 90 minutes. I also used a 1lb bag of hops.
4 oz cascade 60 min
2oz cascade 30 min
3oz cascade 10 min
3oz cascade 5 min
2oz cascade 0min
2 oz cascade dry hop
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 Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16474484 - 07/03/12 12:45 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Assuming your cascades are around 6% A.A., that is going to be one helluva bitter beer... ~160 calculated IBUs. Too bitter for me.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: geokills]
#16474603 - 07/03/12 01:19 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yeah, I like a hop heavy beer, and I also really like cascade, mine were at about 6.8% alpha acids. I'm going to get some cream ale going today, maybe a double batch.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16475824 - 07/03/12 05:52 PM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Riboflavin said:
Yeah, I like a hop heavy beer, and I also really like cascade, mine were at about 6.8% alpha acids. I'm going to get some cream ale going today, maybe a double batch.
Did you use leaf or pellet hops and what source?
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16479687 - 07/04/12 12:15 PM (10 months, 10 days ago) |
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I used pellet hops, the bag said brewcraft, ordered it online. My local homebrew store finally started carrying the one pound bags from hop union, so I'll start buying them locally. I like buying the big bags, it saves a lot of money and lets me be as heavy handed with the hops as I'd like, normally I just freeze what I don't use.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16484143 - 07/05/12 09:14 AM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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Riboflavin said:
I used pellet hops, the bag said brewcraft, ordered it online. My local homebrew store finally started carrying the one pound bags from hop union, so I'll start buying them locally. I like buying the big bags, it saves a lot of money and lets me be as heavy handed with the hops as I'd like, normally I just freeze what I don't use.
Sorry to hear that. I just can't get into pellets!
Here's a cheap source of leaf (or pellets) by the pound right from the farm. Best is to FoodSaver them upon opening in smaller sizes like 4 oz. then back into the freezer in the foil (light block) bag. Doing this also compresses them to a more reasonable size.
Very nice and prompt too
http://www.hopsdirect.com/store/domestic-leaf-hops.html
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/05/12 09:16 AM)
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16484804 - 07/05/12 12:51 PM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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Those are some awesome hop prices, still want to support my local store when it's convenient and affordable since they do a lot in the way of brewing events and they're awesome folks. Though I might at some point have to order 5lbs of cascade off of that site. 
I've never actually used whole leaf hops, but have been considering it. A guy at our last brew club get together actually smoked (in a smoker) some whole leaf hops with some jack daniels smoking chips and then made a porter with them, it tasted friggin' great! The flavor of the chips really came through.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16490143 - 07/06/12 02:57 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Those are some awesome hop prices, still want to support my local store when it's convenient and affordable since they do a lot in the way of brewing events and they're awesome folks. Though I might at some point have to order 5lbs of cascade off of that site.
I've never actually used whole leaf hops, but have been considering it. A guy at our last brew club get together actually smoked (in a smoker) some whole leaf hops with some jack daniels smoking chips and then made a porter with them, it tasted friggin' great! The flavor of the chips really came through.
Once you go leaf you won't go back. Just buy a few different pounds don't get stuck on Cascade. Cascade is good don't get me wrong. I like Amarillo over Cascade and Simcoe (if you can find it) that's just heaven. I like to mix in some Tetnanger and Willamette is a good choice too. Rounds out the flavors.
A big IPA gets to be a lot of leaf but personally the sludge of pellets is not my favorite. I strain the leaf as I go and you could easily do the same with your late additions. If you don't do that you lose a lot of wort by the end. You don't notice that know cause you got the sludge.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16498290 - 07/08/12 08:37 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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When I was living on a farm with my wife, we grew hops together... Cascade, Nugget, and Willamette.
I highly recommend Nugget with the Cascade. Cascade is a favorite of mine too.  Nugget is similar, maybe a little more flowery, and a lot more bitter, can cut down on the oz used, by about half.
Do you need to add any other type of malt to the Munich, like one of the modified varieties, to get the efficiency up? I am surprised the gravity is that low, but you also have 6gals so...
I bet it will be great!
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: psillymathhead]
#16498537 - 07/08/12 10:50 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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psillymathhead said:
When I was living on a farm with my wife, we grew hops together... Cascade, Nugget, and Willamette.
I highly recommend Nugget with the Cascade. Cascade is a favorite of mine too. Nugget is similar, maybe a little more flowery, and a lot more bitter, can cut down on the oz used, by about half.
Do you need to add any other type of malt to the Munich, like one of the modified varieties, to get the efficiency up? I am surprised the gravity is that low, but you also have 6gals so...
I bet it will be great!
Nugget is a not at all like Cascade. In particular it is very herbal spicy and pungent in flavor and not flowery. Here's a link.
I have used Nugget in an all Nugget IPA and it was so different than the Cascade/Amarillo and even Willamette or Tetnanger that it wasn't well received by me or my beer buddies.
http://beerbecue.wordpress.com/tag/nugget-hop-profile/
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16498885 - 07/08/12 12:26 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I guess, they were similar when I grew them  Just much stronger. In all fairness, the cascades I grew came out a little earthier than the packaged ones I have purchased. Neither are at all like the willamette IMO.
Neat link, has a lot of details. If I ever grow them again I will have to get some more varieties 
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: psillymathhead]
#16503240 - 07/09/12 12:03 PM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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LunarEclipse said:Once you go leaf you won't go back. Just buy a few different pounds don't get stuck on Cascade. Cascade is good don't get me wrong. I like Amarillo over Cascade and Simcoe (if you can find it) that's just heaven. I like to mix in some Tetnanger and Willamette is a good choice too. Rounds out the flavors.
A big IPA gets to be a lot of leaf but personally the sludge of pellets is not my favorite. I strain the leaf as I go and you could easily do the same with your late additions. If you don't do that you lose a lot of wort by the end. You don't notice that know cause you got the sludge.
That sounds like a darn good idea for my ipa's, though from my understanding, to get the same amount of ibu's one needs to use more leaf hops than they would pellets.
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psillymathhead said:
When I was living on a farm with my wife, we grew hops together... Cascade, Nugget, and Willamette.
I highly recommend Nugget with the Cascade. Cascade is a favorite of mine too. Nugget is similar, maybe a little more flowery, and a lot more bitter, can cut down on the oz used, by about half.
Do you need to add any other type of malt to the Munich, like one of the modified varieties, to get the efficiency up? I am surprised the gravity is that low, but you also have 6gals so...
I bet it will be great!
Nope, no other malts, from my understanding the diastatic power in munich should be plenty to get a good conversion, that and the hour and a half mash should have given them enough time to do their work and make some short chain sugars for a dry beer. I also pitched three 6 gram packets of coopers, my favorite for making a dry crisp beer (works awesome in cream ales) so I hope I can get it down to about 1.004 for around a 7% abv. Not sure what's going on with my process but my spidey sense tells me I need a finer grind, I batch sparge because I'm lazy, but usually get better efficiency than this.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16513228 - 07/11/12 09:50 AM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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LunarEclipse said:Once you go leaf you won't go back. Just buy a few different pounds don't get stuck on Cascade. Cascade is good don't get me wrong. I like Amarillo over Cascade and Simcoe (if you can find it) that's just heaven. I like to mix in some Tetnanger and Willamette is a good choice too. Rounds out the flavors.
A big IPA gets to be a lot of leaf but personally the sludge of pellets is not my favorite. I strain the leaf as I go and you could easily do the same with your late additions. If you don't do that you lose a lot of wort by the end. You don't notice that know cause you got the sludge.
That sounds like a darn good idea for my ipa's, though from my understanding, to get the same amount of ibu's one needs to use more leaf hops than they would pellets.
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psillymathhead said:
When I was living on a farm with my wife, we grew hops together... Cascade, Nugget, and Willamette.
I highly recommend Nugget with the Cascade. Cascade is a favorite of mine too. Nugget is similar, maybe a little more flowery, and a lot more bitter, can cut down on the oz used, by about half.
Do you need to add any other type of malt to the Munich, like one of the modified varieties, to get the efficiency up? I am surprised the gravity is that low, but you also have 6gals so...
I bet it will be great!
Nope, no other malts, from my understanding the diastatic power in munich should be plenty to get a good conversion, that and the hour and a half mash should have given them enough time to do their work and make some short chain sugars for a dry beer. I also pitched three 6 gram packets of coopers, my favorite for making a dry crisp beer (works awesome in cream ales) so I hope I can get it down to about 1.004 for around a 7% abv. Not sure what's going on with my process but my spidey sense tells me I need a finer grind, I batch sparge because I'm lazy, but usually get better efficiency than this.
Maybe use pellets for the first addition because any hops boiled that long contribute mostly bitterness. Then add leaf later...
1.004 seems too low to reach given 1.060 starting. Maybe 1.010?
Don't grind finer than you need to just to try to hit unrealistic efficiencies. Adds to stuck sparge possibilities and cereal notes. We have a brewery here that grinds superfine then mashes then filters the mash through a press! Cheap bastards losing their market share with their crap beer is the result. I won't mention their name they are pretty big though.
Munich is a good malt. Make a Kolsch with it! And for god sakes don't add wheat. No no no. The pils malt in kolsch isn't traditional either. Malts were typically darker in earlier times...
Munich works great as a color darkener without the cloy of crystal.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/11/12 09:56 AM)
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16513618 - 07/11/12 12:02 PM (10 months, 3 days ago) |
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I guess that's the nice thing for us homebrewers, a couple more pounds of grain won't hurt our bottom line as much as it will a big brewer's, from what I've heard, a lower efficiency with more grain will result in a higher quality wort.
I think your right about my potential finishing gravity, it will be a bit higher. Cooper's ale yeast generally has an attenuation of 73-77%, so plugging some numbers tells me that even if I get it down to 1.013, I'm already at an apparent attenuation 76.83% with an ABV of 6.22%, hopefully the healthy yeast pitch combined with the low mash temp/long mash will help me out as I think that'll be a good range.
I originally picked up the sack of munich because I want to experiment with maibock recipes for a contest next year, I just haven't gotten the fridge and external temperature controller for lagering yet.
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16544059 - 07/17/12 12:54 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Well, it came out tasting damn good! Not overbearing for me at all, it's like I can't go wrong with cascade. I haven't taken gravity reading yet, seems dry though, can't seem to find my hydrometer however.....
Not exactly a pale ale though
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Edited by Riboflavin (07/17/12 01:01 PM)
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Re: Made a cascade munich ipa the other day.... [Re: Riboflavin]
#16783480 - 09/03/12 09:30 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Brewed this up for the 3rd time today, last time I used us05 yeast which didn't dry it out nearly as much, it gives it a sweeter backbone that helps support the grapefruit taste of the cascade hops, this beer tastes just like grapefruit. Unlike a lot of IPAs I've made I can turn this one around in about 10 days and has been a hit at homebrew club. I want to try this with citra hops
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