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 does this sound like you? 
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http://www.sahajvidya.org/SahajVidya/0_Files_SahajVidya/B/Born_Realised.pdf
let me know if the link doesn't work. try copy and pasting it into your browser. otherwise I'll take screenshots.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16467450 - 07/01/12 10:18 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Link didn't work.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16467501 - 07/01/12 10:25 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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That's... wishful thinking imo, sorry.
Spiritual ego at it's finest.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: cbub]
#16467572 - 07/01/12 10:38 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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That's... wishful thinking imo, sorry.
Spiritual ego at it's finest.
pearls before swine I suppose.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16467625 - 07/01/12 10:45 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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hardly
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16467653 - 07/01/12 10:49 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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pearls before swine I suppose.
Come on man,
The personality type he describes fits 5% of population which still makes 350 million people.
Come on, 350mil reincarnating buddhas? Even one would sound weird.
Why would one who has broken the cycles be reincarnating?
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: cbub]
#16467828 - 07/01/12 11:25 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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actually self realization happens very easily now because of Sahaja Yoga
I can't answer your last question.
it might have to do with the times and that we're at the end of a Kalpa
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#16467880 - 07/01/12 11:35 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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You picked the only answer I allowed a possibility for. Kudos.
No cynicism there.
Just careful what you take in as truth, everyone and their mother in law is a fucking buddha these days.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: cbub]
#16469202 - 07/02/12 09:15 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Well that sums me up pretty well in some respects...but I attribute that to a superior intellect, rather than the idea that I'm born with some kind of realisation. To agree to that would mean to accept reincarnation which isn't something I'm going to do right now considering at the moment I consider the concept to be an ultimate shield against death anxiety.
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everyone and their mother in law is a fucking buddha these days.
I think part of Buddhism is realising that what you said is correct 
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“Oh, I was only a private,” replied the veteran.
Diogenes rocked as if about to fall. “Ye gods!” he gasped. “At last!” Then after catching his breath he blew out his lantern and went home.
-Osho
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: cbub]
#16469452 - 07/02/12 11:14 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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cbub said:
You picked the only answer I allowed a possibility for. Kudos.
No cynicism there.
Just careful what you take in as truth, everyone and their mother in law is a fucking buddha these days.
I'm a self realized bubba. And I drink beer. 
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16470230 - 07/02/12 03:16 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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I believe Buddha was beyond self realization. I think he achieved God realization.
Being self realized is very easy to achieve in this age.
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Edited by yeah (07/02/12 03:29 PM)
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16470819 - 07/02/12 05:21 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think part of Buddhism is realising that what you said is correct
 glad you get it.
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I believe Buddha was beyond self realization. I think he achieved God realization.
and since when are the self and god different things? where did you get that idea?
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16470830 - 07/02/12 05:24 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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yeah said:
I believe Buddha was beyond self realization. I think he achieved God realization.
Being self realized is very easy to achieve in this age.
I thought the Buddha didn't believe in God? 
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: Icelander]
#16470942 - 07/02/12 05:43 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Self-realization is everywhere. Even the black guy in New Girl occasionally looks at the Self in the camera. It's cool.
There is no end to realization, of any kind, considering all is imagination. The imagination has a personality, is conscious itself, and is set in archeetypal stones that create the evolving forms. Humans are a manifestation of the Creator. You should feel utterly empowered, enthralled, and bewildered to be in a human body. You are of course, in all things, but your role is infinite as a human.
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"There never was any forgetfulness for Self."
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: circastes]
#16470971 - 07/02/12 05:48 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Really?
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16472527 - 07/02/12 11:34 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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yeah said:
I believe Buddha was beyond self realization. I think he achieved God realization.
Being self realized is very easy to achieve in this age.
I always thought Self-Realization was the same as God-Realization 
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16472648 - 07/02/12 11:58 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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It's a much higher achievement. I can't speak of it but I know self realization is just when your Kundalini awakens and you become thoughtless. There's achievements/states between self realization and God realization.
From The Advent by G De Kalbermatten:
Self Realization: thoughtless awareness, collective consciousness
- next stage: doubtless awareness, communion in collective consciousness
- further stage: complete self realization, mastery of the elements
- yet a further stage: God realization
so who knows how deep Buddha was. I believe he may have just been an incarnation, though.
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16472816 - 07/03/12 12:46 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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yeah said:
It's a much higher achievement. I can't speak of it but I know self realization is just when your Kundalini awakens and you become thoughtless. There's achievements/states between self realization and God realization.
From The Advent by G De Kalbermatten:
Self Realization: thoughtless awareness, collective consciousness
- next stage: doubtless awareness, communion in collective consciousness
- further stage: complete self realization, mastery of the elements
- yet a further stage: God realization
so who knows how deep Buddha was. I believe he may have just been an incarnation, though.
Hmm, interesting. So then by Self-Realization, they must mean like Soul-Realization? Realization of the Atman/Higher Self?
What is your understanding of God-Realization then?
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: Satyapriya]
#16472856 - 07/03/12 12:59 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yeah exactly. You now identify with your self/spirit and not the mind/body
I have no intellectual conception of God realization as I am still conceptualizing doubtless awareness.
What I understand of that is that once you achieve thoughtlessness there's still doubts about your knowledge of the divine and your divinity, and when you become doubtless all of that is removed. It's when you become a "drop in the ocean".
BTW I think you're the reason I found Sahaja Yoga (if you've ever posted about it last Summer then you probably are; I think I recognize the name). So thank you for mentioning it. Have you been to meditate with them recently (if it was you)?
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Re: does this sound like you? [Re: yeah]
#16472948 - 07/03/12 01:20 AM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yeah exactly. You now identify with your self/spirit and not the mind/body
I have no intellectual conception of God realization as I am still conceptualizing doubtless awareness.
What I understand of that is that once you achieve thoughtlessness there's still doubts about your knowledge of the divine and your divinity, and when you become doubtless all of that is removed. It's when you become a "drop in the ocean".
BTW I think you're the reason I found Sahaja Yoga (if you've ever posted about it last Summer then you probably are; I think I recognize the name). So thank you for mentioning it. Have you been to meditate with them recently (if it was you)?
Hmm, I'll have to look up doubtless awareness. It's probably one of the different levels of absorption I've read about. Not sure what that means exactly...
Haha yeah that was me. I was going for a few months last year, and got something out of it for sure, but wasn't too excited about the teacher. I like the whole idea of your own forgiveness standing in the way of the kundalini rising to the 7th chakra, and how the 7th chakra represents "integration." Felt really inspired by that chart:
Also how your energy can get caught in either the left or right channel, leading, respectively, to the right and left sides of the brain, representing the ego and super-ego. Whereas the correct path is straight up the middle, not paying attention to either the ego or super-ego, and just to allow the kundalini to arise, take you over, and bring you out of the mind and back to the present moment 
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