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Depends on the reason.
If I'm being ravaged by cancer and am in severe pain, I'm checking out.
If I have a colostomy bag, I'm checking out.
If I have a hangnail, I'll tough it out.
You're right, there are valid reasons. I overgeneralized in my annoyance at this parasite.
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#16462076 - 06/30/12 09:37 PM (11 months, 13 days ago) |
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For 40 years I had maybe two physical exams
Pretty convenient for a discussion about health care. But then again, even if true, why would YOU = EVERYONE?
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How is the free ride over when they just put more people on the ride?
Nobody is putting anybody anywhere, you are simply forced into the private market to choose a policy.
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That's right. Here's an asshole who has purposely minimized his earnings so that he can remain on the tit. Parasite.
You're looking at it from a parasite's point of view. Now that his daughter can't be denied insurance due to pre-exisiting conditions, it is a whole new ballgame. If you had the choice of "remain[ing] on the tit" or letting your daughter die, you would do what exactly?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16464190 - 07/01/12 11:19 AM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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For 40 years I had maybe two physical exams
Pretty convenient for a discussion about health care. But then again, even if true, why would YOU = EVERYONE?
I don't equal everyone. I equal the majority of men for whom regular checkups are complete bullshit.Quote:
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How is the free ride over when they just put more people on the ride?
Nobody is putting anybody anywhere, you are simply forced into the private market to choose a policy.
How is forcing people into a private market not putting them anywhere? And now everybody's rates will go up because of it. Thanks. Not only did the insurance plan I kinda wanted disappear when OBamacare was enacted ("You'll get to keep your plan", Uh no) but my rates have skyrocketed.Quote:
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That's right. Here's an asshole who has purposely minimized his earnings so that he can remain on the tit. Parasite.
You're looking at it from a parasite's point of view. Now that his daughter can't be denied insurance due to pre-exisiting conditions, it is a whole new ballgame. If you had the choice of "remain[ing] on the tit" or letting your daughter die, you would do what exactly?
His daughter wasn't a pre-existing condition issue. It was an income issue. He is choosing to earn less money so that he can stay on the tit. The government is thus encouraging people to continue to be poor.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
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yes, and not only that, but people have this CRAZY idea that because of fair regulations in health reform that come along with this bill, that somehow doctors will be able to charge less, it'll get cheaper for everyone yayy!
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16464631 - 07/01/12 01:12 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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His daughter wasn't a pre-existing condition issue. It was an income issue. He is choosing to earn less money so that he can stay on the tit. The government is thus encouraging people to continue to be poor.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: imachavel]
#16464634 - 07/01/12 01:13 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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If doctors get paid less there will be fewer doctors. See: Canada.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
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bummer. That's a pretty hard core reference btw 
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: imachavel]
#16464751 - 07/01/12 01:39 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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One of my big waiting anxiously  moments coming up is the catholic churches lawsuit against Obamacare.
If the supremes rule they must comply with the Abortion treatment requirements, the church has flat out stated IT WILL CLOSE ALL CATHOLIC HOSPITALS in the US on moral grounds.
That would be 700,000 people out of work. 
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One of my big waiting anxiously moments coming up is the catholic churches lawsuit against Obamacare.
If the supremes rule they must comply with the Abortion treatment requirements, the church has flat out stated IT WILL CLOSE ALL CATHOLIC HOSPITALS in the US on moral grounds.
That would be 700,000 people out of work.
Maybe, but anything that makes churches look bad is okay by me...
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One of my big waiting anxiously moments coming up is the catholic churches lawsuit against Obamacare.
If the supremes rule they must comply with the Abortion treatment requirements, the church has flat out stated IT WILL CLOSE ALL CATHOLIC HOSPITALS in the US on moral grounds.
That would be 700,000 people out of work.
Link? If there is an entity in the world that has enough money to not give a fuck it is probably the Catholic Church. Most American Catholics aren't Catholics anyway. They may just write us off.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16465215 - 07/01/12 03:20 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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I equal the majority of men for whom regular checkups are complete bullshit.
Bold and probably untrue.
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How is forcing people into a private market not putting them anywhere? And now everybody's rates will go up because of it. Thanks. Not only did the insurance plan I kinda wanted disappear when OBamacare was enacted ("You'll get to keep your plan", Uh no) but my rates have skyrocketed.
Everybody's rates will go up no matter what. Until the mandate comes into effect, the insurance pool is still smaller than it will be, temporarily forcing costs onto the ones that have insurance now.
What part of Obama care made your insurance plan "disappear?" Since when did correlation equal causation?
Most of the provisions haven't even been enacted yet.
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His daughter wasn't a pre-existing condition issue. It was an income issue. He is choosing to earn less money so that he can stay on the tit. The government is thus encouraging people to continue to be poor.
That is some twisted, twisted logic. If his daughter wasn't sick, you think he would be turning down raises and promotions?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16465262 - 07/01/12 03:28 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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I equal the majority of men for whom regular checkups are complete bullshit.
Bold and probably untrue.
It is certainly true of everybody I knowQuote:
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How is forcing people into a private market not putting them anywhere? And now everybody's rates will go up because of it. Thanks. Not only did the insurance plan I kinda wanted disappear when OBamacare was enacted ("You'll get to keep your plan", Uh no) but my rates have skyrocketed.
Everybody's rates will go up no matter what. Until the mandate comes into effect, the insurance pool is still smaller than it will be, temporarily forcing costs onto the ones that have insurance now.
Temporarily? I think not. Rates never go down.Quote:
What part of Obama care made your insurance plan "disappear?" Since when did correlation equal causation?
I don't know. They just dropped my entire policy classQuote:
Most of the provisions haven't even been enacted yet.
Do you know why businesses succeed and fail? By being proactive with an eye to the future. Quote:
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His daughter wasn't a pre-existing condition issue. It was an income issue. He is choosing to earn less money so that he can stay on the tit. The government is thus encouraging people to continue to be poor.
That is some twisted, twisted logic. If his daughter wasn't sick, you think he would be turning down raises and promotions?
Why do you think it is good that government meddling compelled him to make an economic decision to earn less money so that he could continue to force me to pay for his child? Do you think he would have had a child in the first place if he didn't think the government tit was there? I didn't have a child until after I owned a house and a successful business. Why should I be stuck for his irresponsibly generated bills?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16465312 - 07/01/12 03:38 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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It won't come down to the catholic church closing because before it gets to that they will get an exemption. They are suing though over the abortion issue.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16465326 - 07/01/12 03:40 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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It is certainly true of everybody I know
I'm sure you would keep saying that until the day you die (hopefully at an Obama death clinic)
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Temporarily? I think not. Rates never go down.
Weird, did you miss my first sentence "Everybody's rates will go up no matter what"
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I don't know.
You don't know, yet you will still tout "Obamacare" as a causative fact?
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Why do you think it is good that government meddling compelled him to make an economic decision to earn less money so that he could continue to force me to pay for his child? Do you think he would have had a child in the first place if he didn't think the government tit was there? I didn't have a child until after I owned a house and a successful business. Why should I be stuck for his irresponsibly generated bills?
1) There is no government meddling. There was a failure of the private market.
2) You aren't paying for his child's health care.
3) Do you think he would have had a child if he knew they would be in for a lifetime of suffering?
4) This is America, we aren't going to let 7 year old children with chronic illnesses (it is disgusting that you call it an "irresponsibly generated bill") waste away. If you don't like it, you can go to any of the grey countries (image was before PPACA enacted)
You see all those nice third world countries you could go live in?
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: 4-AcO-MET]
#16465515 - 07/01/12 04:21 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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It is certainly true of everybody I know
I'm sure you would keep saying that until the day you die (hopefully at an Obama death clinic)
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Temporarily? I think not. Rates never go down.
Weird, did you miss my first sentence "Everybody's rates will go up no matter what"
Bums who pay nothing didn't have their rates go up.Quote:
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I don't know.
You don't know, yet you will still tout "Obamacare" as a causative fact?
I have my suspicions since it occurred right after the bill was passed which mandated that shit I didn't want covered be covered. Hence the edn of my policy.Quote:
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Why do you think it is good that government meddling compelled him to make an economic decision to earn less money so that he could continue to force me to pay for his child? Do you think he would have had a child in the first place if he didn't think the government tit was there? I didn't have a child until after I owned a house and a successful business. Why should I be stuck for his irresponsibly generated bills?
1) There is no government meddling. There was a failure of the private market.
There was no failure of the private marketQuote:
2) You aren't paying for his child's health care.
Yes I am. Every taxpayer is. Some taxpayers a lot ore than others. Quote:
3) Do you think he would have had a child if he knew they would be in for a lifetime of suffering?
Do you think he would have had a child if he knew he would be 100% responsible for it? Fucking bums breeding. Yay.Quote:
4) This is America, we aren't going to let 7 year old children with chronic illnesses (it is disgusting that you call it an "irresponsibly generated bill") waste away. If you don't like it, you can go to any of the grey countries (image was before PPACA enacted)
You see all those nice third world countries you could go live in?
The US still doesn't have universal health care and I will stay right here and fight it, thank you very much. I have had two potentially fatal cancers that the odds of me surviving both in Britain were about 9 in 16. Here? Over 95% You can take your universal health care and shove it up your ass.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16465554 - 07/01/12 04:30 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bums who pay nothing didn't have their rates go up.
And now they will.
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I have my suspicions since it occurred right after the bill was passed which mandated that shit I didn't want covered be covered. Hence the edn of my policy.
See, I have no problem with you stating this, as it would be good to look into. But, as of right now, there is no proof "Obamacare" did anything to your plan, and that it wasn't going to be phased out no matter what.
There was no failure of the private market - obviously not, since he couldn't get insurance in the private market.
Yes I am. Every taxpayer is. Some taxpayers a lot ore than others. - So, YOU aren't walking into the hospital and paying the bills? So you really AREN'T paying for her medical bills? If anything, you're paying only the smallest of fractions of the bills.
Do you think he would have had a child if he knew he would be 100% responsible for it? Fucking bums breeding. Yay.
- What would you do in his situation?
"I have had two potentially fatal cancers" -- good thing you had insurance.
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#16465571 - 07/01/12 04:36 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Bums who pay nothing didn't have their rates go up.
And now they will.
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I have my suspicions since it occurred right after the bill was passed which mandated that shit I didn't want covered be covered. Hence the edn of my policy.
See, I have no problem with you stating this, as it would be good to look into. But, as of right now, there is no proof "Obamacare" did anything to your plan, and that it wasn't going to be phased out no matter what.
Why doncha.Quote:
There was no failure of the private market - obviously not, since he couldn't get insurance in the private market.
Yes I am. Every taxpayer is. Some taxpayers a lot ore than others. - So, YOU aren't walking into the hospital and paying the bills? So you really AREN'T paying for her medical bills? If anything, you're paying only the smallest of fractions of the bills.
Pardon me but I am in the 1% that pays 40% of the billsQuote:
Do you think he would have had a child if he knew he would be 100% responsible for it? Fucking bums breeding. Yay.
- What would you do in his situation?
"I have had two potentially fatal cancers" -- good thing you had insurance.
I paid for the insurance out of pocket and I paid to go out of network out of pocket. That would be illegal in Canada.
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#16465622 - 07/01/12 04:48 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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No, they won't
Yep. Unless you're simply calling all poor people bums. I consider the bums the ones who can pay for it, but choose not to.
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Why doncha.
The burden of proof is on you, and I'm gonna keep asking for that proof.
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Pardon me but I am in the 1% that pays 40% of the bills
And I am part of the 50% that pays for the other 50%. Am I whining?
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I paid for the insurance out of pocket and I paid to go out of network out of pocket
Two cancer treatments? That must have cost in the 7 figures.
Now what if you weren't extremely wealthy? Would you then deserve to die?
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#16465970 - 07/01/12 06:11 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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No, they won't
Yep. Unless you're simply calling all poor people bums. I consider the bums the ones who can pay for it, but choose not to.
Poor people who I have to support are bums.Quote:
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Why doncha.
The burden of proof is on you, and I'm gonna keep asking for that proof.
The proof is that Obaam said if I liked the plan I was on I could keep it. That was a lie.Quote:
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Pardon me but I am in the 1% that pays 40% of the bills
And I am part of the 50% that pays for the other 50%. Am I whining?
The bottom 50% doesn't pay anything in income taxes. Thanks for nothing.Quote:
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I paid for the insurance out of pocket and I paid to go out of network out of pocket
Two cancer treatments? That must have cost in the 7 figures.
Actually the bills sent to the insurance companies were less than $100,000. The insurance companies have made money from me even with the cancers.Quote:
Now what if you weren't extremely wealthy? Would you then deserve to die?
I'm not extremely wealthy and everybody deserves to die. I paid. Everybody should have to pay for their own shit. I've lost money on insurance over the decades.
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Re: Socialized Medicine [Re: zappaisgod]
#16466076 - 07/01/12 06:27 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Poor people who I have to support are bums.
Once again, you act like you're the only one who pays taxes.
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The proof is that Obaam said if I liked the plan I was on I could keep it. That was a lie.
You still haven't showed causative proof that it was due to "Obamacare"
You also said it was a plan you "kinda wanted" as in, you didn't have it yet?
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The bottom 50% doesn't pay anything in income taxes. Thanks for nothing.
Thanks for nothing? Many of those people who do not make enough to pay federal income taxes stock the shelves at the stores you frequent, check out your items at the register, cook your food when you go out to eat, wash the table you sit at, clean the bathrooms you shit in, etc.
Do you think that these people should just go die?
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I'm not extremely wealthy and everybody deserves to die
Do they deserve to die when they could be treated? Being in the 1% doesn't make you extremely wealthy? I'm sorry, do you have to bathe in 24k gold to be considered wealthy?
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I've lost money on insurance over the decades.
Of course you've lost money on insurance, you are paying for the INSURANCE, that is how the system works. The fuck ?
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