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#16461194 - 06/30/12 05:39 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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So this is my first official grow, but I've been haunting this site for a while now and soaking in all the info I could.
It's been 22 days since inoculation of my 12 1/2 pint jars with B+ using BRF and PF tek and 11 of them are coming along nicely. No contaminants of any kind, and the one that has no growth simply has no growth (I suspect I didn't agitate the syringe enough and this is the first one inoculated).
In fact, some of them seem to even be showing signs of early pining 
I'm going to give the few that are 95% done another week before birthing (making it 29 days from inoculation) and will be using a SGFC.
My ultimate goal is to extract and concentrate the psilocin and psilocybin without the need for drying (and thus less loss of psilocin). I've studied erowid's teks and I'm quite confident I can create a tek for long term storage ready for human consumption using only household items. I even have mayers test reagent to verify once I begin testing (I found it cheaper than to make dragendorff's reagent).
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Sounds like your on the right track bro! Let us know how the extraction works out! Good luck and good vibes 
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Well, I personally see no point in chemically extracting psilocin and psilocybin, but good luck to you either way! I'll be following the grow regardless of your end game. 
I am curious, however, you said:
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My ultimate goal is to extract and concentrate the psilocin and psilocybin without the need for drying (and thus less loss of psilocin)
If you dry your product properly, the tryptamine loss is negligible.
Like I said, your grow, your experiment, I don't see the point, but I wish you luck on your endeavors! 
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: darkliight]
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Thanks guys
The one jar is really starting to pin. It's not 100% cultivated yet, so I know I have to wait, but if they start getting to big I may have to birth pre-maturely and just cut off the uncultivated substrate. I don't even have the equipment needed for my SGFC, so I guess I'd better get on that 
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If it's pinning early, I would birth it outside and spawn it to poo or the compost heap. Early pinning is often the sign of a bacterial contamination. 1 cake is never worth the risk of introducing contaminates to your FC.
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This one is the most developed, but a number of my cakes are showing signs of pining all throughout the cake.
I don't believe it's contamination. I am at day 23 and it's been rather hot so it stands to reason they could simply be ready to birth. That being said, it certainly is possible that it could be bacteria, but it's not just one that's showing signs. And there is no smell or appear slimy.
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if the jar is 100% i say birth, dunk n roll, if its not then maybe contam
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I really don't think it's contam. several of my cakes look like this, with the pins appearing randomly. And my one cake which shows no growth still has no growth. It's sort of acting like a control.
So, I think I'm going to have to birth them, and like now. The pins are three times the size now then when I took that photo and there are countless on the cake.
I do fear birthing them early, but if it's pinning like crazy is it wise to leave them in the jars?
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it shouldnt matter...they will still grow...is the colonizing moving along any?
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The only part which appears to not be completely colonized is the very top. I've read some people have birth their cakes when this happens and simply cut off the un-colonized portion.
If the pins get too big though, would it be too late to do a dunk and roll?
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The only part which appears to not be completely colonized is the very top. I've read some people have birth their cakes when this happens and simply cut off the un-colonized portion.
If the pins get too big though, would it be too late to do a dunk and roll?
I have let pins grow in-vitro for almost a week after developing. They got to be decent sized (some 6cm+) in the jars, and I had no problem with the dunk and roll. You may get a few aborts, though.
Looks like everything is moving right along Keep it up!
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: darkliight]
#16472464 - 07/02/12 11:18 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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If u have a dry verm barrier it won't colonize. Ur jars look 100% to me.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. Anderson]
#16473774 - 07/03/12 08:10 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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I don't think it's just my verm layer left, but it's just a tiny bit left to colonize the substrate. But I think I will still wait to the weekend to birth just to be cautious if it's worked for other people. I just hope they don't get up to 6cm though
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. Anderson]
#16473785 - 07/03/12 08:17 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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If u have a dry verm barrier it won't colonize. Ur jars look 100% to me.
This is not true, I had 3/4" of verm on top of all my pftek glasses and when I went to birth, the verm had been sucked down 1/2" and the mycellium was colonizing right thru it.
I even had some arial mycellium about 1/2" tall almost touching the foil lid. Looked pretty sick.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. Anderson]
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If u have a dry verm barrier it won't shouldn't colonize. Ur jars look 100% to me.
Better?
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: SimpleFarmer]
#16473800 - 07/03/12 08:31 AM (10 months, 11 days ago) |
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Seems like cubes mycellium is really resilient once it's established
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Dude it shouldn't, it happens but it doesn't for the most part.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. Anderson]
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Taken today:
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looks 100% and ready to birth, do it now cause the more you wait the more it'll be a bitch to get it out.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Synth Ethics]
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So I'm strongly considering birthing tonight to avoid in-vitro fruits, but I want the pros opinions. The pins are already getting rather large, but it hasn't been consolidating for more than a few days.
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You can birth now or let your in vitro pin set get a little bigger first. I'd just birth it now and watch those pins just explode with growth over the next 4-5 days. Just be careful when you dunk that you don't knock any off and when you go to do the roll just sprinkle vermiculite around the cake and pat it on rather than rolling. Make sure you put a nice pile of vermiculite on the top of the cake too.
Once that bad boy is in the SGFC and you start to mist it hard like a boss it's going to start pinning for you like crazy.
GL and good looking grow, keep us posted.
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Cool. Looks like I'm birthing some cakes tonight then
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Cool. Looks like I'm birthing some cakes tonight then
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So I'm strongly considering birthing tonight to avoid in-vitro fruits, but I want the pros opinions. The pins are already getting rather large, but it hasn't been consolidating for more than a few days.
Suggestions?
if you let the "pins" grow too much the dunk will abort/kill them.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Synth Ethics]
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waiting for the final results...
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: tomoceusz]
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Well...I'm glad I didn't wait any longer. These things were just bursting to get out. All of them had myc growing through the verm layer, and two of them had this: 
One jar didn't make it. I had put the cake under a lot of trauma, and blueing was almost instant on the pins. These were a bitch to get out (I was worried my jars weren't good, but it was all I could find at the time.)
After birthing, this is the one that forced the jar breakage: 
Now, they are in a pot, submerged (after I had to use 3 dinner plates for weight) and in the fridge. Now... making my SGFC
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I told you they'd be a bitch but you chose to wait an other 24hrs. 
about the one that "didn't made it" if it's only heavy blueing and still in one piece give it a go, I had extremely blue cakes and pins that performed well.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Synth Ethics]
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It looked as though it wasn't 100% colonized, but it was in fact the verm layer that had settled and not substrate. Oh well... know for next time.
And as for the cake, it's fine. I meant the jar is toast. I had to bust it to get it out. But the cake itself is fine. Some pins got bruised, and the biggun on the top did a bit too, but I hope it'll recover ok.
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Bump for the day crowd
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Alright... SGFC is all set up. It's a 110 QT tub that should easily hold my 11 cakes. I soaked the perlite and drained it, then placed my cakes on small pieces of foil after a dunk and roll.
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I woke up this morning to see this: 
It looks to me like the veil is already torn. Should I help peel it off the cake (since it was smooshed in the jar), pick it, leave it?
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pick and cut/trim any shroom matter that's left on the cake
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Synth Ethics]
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ok, thanks. I expect by the time I get to it tonight, it'll be even bigger, but I'll pick it. I'm going to have to do some major shopping tomorrow for lab gear. This was faster than I anticipated.
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Once the pins pop up the shrooms can get fully grown in 24 hrs. 
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I just got home, and I see this:
Two others are well on their way. Might have to pick this evening:
I've heard some discrepancy over harvesting before or after the veil tears. So... I'm just going to wing it.
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You want to harvest just as the veil starts to tear if you aren't going to take prints. The mushrooms stop producing alkaloids once the veil tears.
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Yeah, I figured I harvested that one a bit too late, but I was working.
The other two 'big' ones I'm going to watch and try to catch before they tear out like the first one did. I would like to just eat these fresh, but not tonight. So... I need to dry them. Picking up a dehydrator tomorrow, air dry for now. Also picking up equipment to extract and concentrate. Thought I had more time.
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Harvested one JUST before the veil tore.
It's a pain to just have the odd one, but I see a bunch of pins coming in on a few cakes, so should have a nice influx soon. Not sure when to sample, but sure is tempting...
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Sample when you get 4 dry grams of those bad boys
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So some of my cakes have already finished their first flush and are currently being dunked. I must say, I was expecting a larger flush. I have 7 cakes birthed, 1 not showing any pins, another looks like it has aborts (though, they still seem to be growing)  , and the other still have a few shroomies to go. But all and all, this is all I harvested from those 5 cakes 
I'm also a bit unsure as to when to harvest. I've been waiting till when the veil just tears, but this often only produces a shroom no bigger than my thumb. If I have neglected to pick them right away, they double in size overnight. Is it still better to pick them smaller?
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When the veil tears, they stop producing the psychoactive alkaloids. If you have a mushroom that weights 10 grams, and just dropped it's spore load, it will be about half as potent as a mushroom that weighs 5 grams, but has only just begun to tear it's veil (the difference between potency is how much weight was added to the mushroom after the veil tore).
Potency is just as much about what stage of growth the shrooms are harvested in as it is about weight.
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So I've been hearing. Makes sense. I just want bigger shrooms, but not without loss of alkaloids 
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Bigger shrooms without loss of potency are created through nutritious substrates with proper lighting, misting, and fanning technique. And good genetics of course
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IMO size isn't dictated by those things. Those are great ways to get great pin sets which is only going to give you more mushrooms that are smaller in size.
Mushroom size is more relevant to the depth of your substrate and the amount of pins that are on it. You could pick every pin off of a cake but one and that one will grow in size a substantial amount more than it would have. This is because the substrate is able to focus its energy into one fruit.
The moral of the story though is size doesn't really matter, what matters the most is yield and getting that large yield in the fewest amount of flushes possible.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: VaeVictum]
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IMO size isn't dictated by those things. Those are great ways to get great pin sets which is only going to give you more mushrooms that are smaller in size.
Mushroom size is more relevant to the depth of your substrate and the amount of pins that are on it. You could pick every pin off of a cake but one and that one will grow in size a substantial amount more than it would have. This is because the substrate is able to focus its energy into one fruit.
The moral of the story though is size doesn't really matter, what matters the most is yield and getting that large yield in the fewest amount of flushes possible.
VV
A valid point. It's not about bigger, but more. This first run for me was to work out any hickups I might come across, but I think I'm following the tek well and am getting a good pin count (on most my cakes). I will either go to bigger cakes, or case for my next attempt.
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Thanks
Haven't tried them yet; I'm a little nervous to. It's been years since I have done them, and I have a low tolerance when it comes to meds/drugs. I've got to find the right place, time and people to do it with.
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So far 5 cakes of 11 have gone through their first flush and have given up aprox. (some are still drying) 20g dry weight. That averages to around 4g per cake. Not great, but not bad.
I still have 2 cakes producing fruits for their first flush (one of them producing what appears to be mutants. Pics to come), and another 4 cakes to birth still. It's amazing how much differing amounts of spores can change the growth rates.
I need to go to the boarder soon and pick up some everclear. I can't get alcohol over 70% where I am and I need as high a concentration as I can get for my extraction experiment. I'm also still waiting on my mayer's reagent (tests for the presence of alkaloids), so once I have those last two items I can begin testing.
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In 8 hrs (while I was at work) my mutant looking cake went from this: 
To this:
I was surprised to see some blackening on the tops of the heads, but after a quick wash it was gone.
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Mayer's reagent just arrived (very toxic material). I may have to perform tests with 70% alcohol until I am able to go to the boarder.
I'm anxious to start though. Should be rather interesting to see what method works best for extraction.
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Cool stuff man, congrats on your success so far!
I'm new around here as well, and it seems like we have semi-paralell first grows going on. Same strain, started about the same time, same number and size jars, same tek... well, once I got turned on to the SGFC at least. I got off to a bit of a slow start mainly due to lack of time. I'm probably a few days behind you with finishing up my first flush, so its kind of a glimpse into the future for me. 
Some of these guys might give you a hard time about your extraction, I noticed where a tek for doing it was actually removed from the reference part of the site because the whole idea was so looked down on.  But I think its really interesting and am looking forward to seeing what you can figure out. You've obviously got some chemistry/lab type experience, which I'd imagine should be a huge advantage to you with this hobby. Best of luck to you!
Edit: BTW Breaking Bad is a great show, really been looking forward to the new season.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
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deeeeeeyum very very nice results MrBB. read the entire thread, from spore to fruit this was a cool thread to read.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
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Cool stuff man, congrats on your success so far!
I'm new around here as well, and it seems like we have semi-paralell first grows going on. Same strain, started about the same time, same number and size jars, same tek... well, once I got turned on to the SGFC at least. I got off to a bit of a slow start mainly due to lack of time. I'm probably a few days behind you with finishing up my first flush, so its kind of a glimpse into the future for me.
Some of these guys might give you a hard time about your extraction, I noticed where a tek for doing it was actually removed from the reference part of the site because the whole idea was so looked down on. But I think its really interesting and am looking forward to seeing what you can figure out. You've obviously got some chemistry/lab type experience, which I'd imagine should be a huge advantage to you with this hobby. Best of luck to you!
Edit: BTW Breaking Bad is a great show, really been looking forward to the new season.
Thanks. It's been coming along pretty well. I was expecting more fruits when I had first started, but really I have only birthed half my cakes so far. It's more of a steady stream of mushrooms rather than a bumper crop.
As for the extraction... well, I do understand how the mushroom enthusiasts would frown upon it as I am effectively removing all elements of mushroom. But extraction is the ultimate form of storage.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: fatchillin]
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deeeeeeyum very very nice results MrBB. read the entire thread, from spore to fruit this was a cool thread to read.
Thank you, but the best is yet to come. Not sure when I'm going to have time, but I am eager to begin extraction experimentation.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
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Some of these guys might give you a hard time about your extraction, I noticed where a tek for doing it was actually removed from the reference part of the site because the whole idea was so looked down on. But I think its really interesting and am looking forward to seeing what you can figure out. You've obviously got some chemistry/lab type experience, which I'd imagine should be a huge advantage to you with this hobby. Best of luck to you!
Edit: BTW Breaking Bad is a great show, really been looking forward to the new season.
No matter how much crap a small group of people give you, don't give up on an idea based on opinions. If the idea doesn't work out, just let it rest in peace, if it does work out though, enjoy serving the feast of crow Allow others to influence your decisions when they support your goals, leave them behind when they try to tear you down.
Now that the philosophy paragraph is out of the way, I'm looking forward to seeing the process and results of this experiment Take pictures of the whole process for me please
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Some of these guys might give you a hard time about your extraction, I noticed where a tek for doing it was actually removed from the reference part of the site because the whole idea was so looked down on. But I think its really interesting and am looking forward to seeing what you can figure out. You've obviously got some chemistry/lab type experience, which I'd imagine should be a huge advantage to you with this hobby. Best of luck to you!
Edit: BTW Breaking Bad is a great show, really been looking forward to the new season.
No matter how much crap a small group of people give you, don't give up on an idea based on opinions. If the idea doesn't work out, just let it rest in peace, if it does work out though, enjoy serving the feast of crow Allow others to influence your decisions when they support your goals, leave them behind when they try to tear you down.
Now that the philosophy paragraph is out of the way, I'm looking forward to seeing the process and results of this experiment Take pictures of the whole process for me please
Very well put
And I will take as many photos as I can. I may need to bring in someone to be my camera man...
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Anybody feel like enlightening me on how i go about favoriting this thread?
Edit: Interesting.. looks like its already been done. But I have no idea how I did it. 
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
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If you've posted in a thread, it should appear in your thread list (below your mood setting)
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Right but there is also a list of "Favorite" threads in my account tab. when I post in this thread I get the option to add it to favorites at the bottom of the edit box (where it says add a poll, add sig etc.) but when I post in other threads I don't see that option there. Odd.
Sorry to jack your thread over such triviality, just trying to figure out the controls on this dam thing. *gear grinding sounds*
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I support your efforts, regardless of extraction. You grew them so do whatever you desire.
I still think that the best form of extraction, for me, is the digestive tek.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: darkliight]
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I should also mention I will be testing the presence of alkaloids in the cakes themselves after 3-4 flushes to see if extraction is worth while. I'd like to have no waste, if possible.
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This is what happens when you can't get back to your shroomies in time:
I just birthed my other 4 cakes. And, once again, I mis-judged how developed they were. 2 of the 4 had to be busted out of their jars, and ironically, one of the other two, who was coming out nicely, ripped in two in my hands. So... what else could I do but put it back together and stick them in my dunking jars. Someone help me on this... do they ever fuse back together or do I effectively have two smaller cakes now?
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: SimpleFarmer]
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They do look pretty awesome. But, they're too mature. Lots of spores. Still very edible, but not ideal. And I've decided, at least at this point in time, not to make spore syringes. It's just easier to buy, and not very expensive.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: SimpleFarmer]
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just so you know you can rotate your picture before uploading......
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: jboredone]
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All my pics from my phone are sideways... not sure why. I suppose I could rotate them
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When you upload them here there's a little checkbox thingy that can straighten them out for you if your camera supports it, or sometimes it just messes them up and needs to be UN checked for them to load straight. I like it, usually works with my camera, and much easier than going through whatever graphics program to do it by hand.
Even if they're a little over-ripe, congrats on your successful crop!
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
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When you upload them here there's a little checkbox thingy that can straighten them out for you if your camera supports it, or sometimes it just messes them up and needs to be UN checked for them to load straight. I like it, usually works with my camera, and much easier than going through whatever graphics program to do it by hand.
Even if they're a little over-ripe, congrats on your successful crop!
Yeah... that feature does nothing for me...
And thanks. That's the last of 5 for the first flush. I have 4 new guys out there, and the 2nd flush on some are pinning already. Shromalicious
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That shit looks truly amazing dude, I wouldn't mind eating them all!
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: usnXe6K]
#16535935 - 07/15/12 07:37 PM (9 months, 30 days ago) |
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Phase 1 extraction experimentation:
I took one mushroom I had and decided to test extracting. Afterwards, I was able to prove that after two soaks I was able to get virtually all the alkaloids removed from the mushroom. (I will write up a tek once I have completed my testing)
This is my set up: 
And afterwards, these are my test results. It's difficult to see, but the first 3 test tubes have precipitate, and the last one does not (first two are duplicates).
Now it's a matter of seeing how well evaporation works, and examine the final product.
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I had left my sample to evaporate at room temp last night, and this morning it's still quite a bit more than I had hoped it would be. It seems that water is proving to be a bigger problem than I had hoped.
I could probably reduce the volume used to submerge the mushroom, but not by very much. Concentrating may need a low heat to help evaporation along, which was something I was really hoping to avoid since we don't know the temp at which psilocin denatures (though we know it's unstable).
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: stoneded420]
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Inoculated 10 more jars today. 1 pint, with Z spores. I actually had a bit left from my B+, so I ended up doing a mixed jar. We'll see what happens.
I used a glove box this time, which proved a bit cumbersome. I expected that though. I just hope I was able to keep contamination out as well as I did last time...
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Usually with mixed spore jars they take longer to colonize and don't fruit quite as well due to the struggle of genetics fighting for their spot on your substrate.
Keep us posted though.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: VaeVictum]
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That makes sense. I probably should have just tossed the B+, but I'd hate to waste spores.
I'm also on my 3rd or fourth flush on some of my cakes (I've kinda lost count due to them being a bit mixed up) but I'm still getting good flushes on them. Some are still on their first flush. I suspect that by the time these are all spent I'll have a bit of a break before my new 1 pint jars are ready.
As for my experimentation, I've reached a bit of an impasse. I need to remove some of the water from the mushroom, but without exposure to air, heat or light. I am going to try silica gel to see if I can't remove some of the water while minimizing loss of psilocin, then extract.
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You could try microwaving rock salt until it stops popping, put your test tubes in a sealed container with the salt and it will suck up the moisture pretty fast. You should be evaporating under vacuum. You can make vacuum from two hoses of different diameter. Google tap water to create vacuum and you should pull up plenty. Vacuum or dry air will remove water faster than room temp/ ave humidity air.
Very interesting though I'm excited to see what you find...
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: spiritlands]
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You could try microwaving rock salt until it stops popping, put your test tubes in a sealed container with the salt and it will suck up the moisture pretty fast. You should be evaporating under vacuum. You can make vacuum from two hoses of different diameter. Google tap water to create vacuum and you should pull up plenty. Vacuum or dry air will remove water faster than room temp/ ave humidity air.
Very interesting though I'm excited to see what you find...
A very good suggestion. I did want to do the drying in a vacuum, but I didn't want to have to invest much more money in the set up (I've already spent quite a bit on my set up as it is). If I can do it in an inexpensive way, I will. Otherwise, I was simply going to use a tupperware container, place the silica gel on the bottom, a rack over it and the mushrooms on the rack.
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Basically you hook a garden hose to your faucet. Drill a hole in the garden hose just smaller than 1/4 in rubber hose. Shove the rubber hose in the hole in the garden hose and turn on cold water. The running water creates a venturi effect creating at least a few atmospheres of vacuum. Connect the other end of the rubber tubing to a vessel containing liquid to be evaporated. So under ten bucks or you prob have the stuff laying around...and really you only need a foot of garden hose
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: spiritlands]
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That is pretty ingenuous. But I don't have a hose, or an outdoor faucet, and I wouldn't want to have to run water continuously for over a day.
I had thought about just drilling a hole in a tupperware container, gluing in a hose (I have some from my filtration set up), and use my vacuum. Once it's free of air, pinch off the tube. Not sure it'll work, but I'll try. Even if it's not a perfect vacuum, it should help.
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So more harvesting done. For a B+, I think this is quite impressive:
I'm also trying a descant trying tec with tupperware, a vacuum and silica gel. After, I will try to extract the partially dry mushroom:
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Update:
I have tested my extraction tek using a mostly dried mushroom using a desiccator box, but am still having an issue with water content. I suspect that the 75% alcohol I'm using is just not a high enough concentration for this procedure to work well. So, I will have to put it on hold until I can get to the States or Quebec.
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I don't know how to get it to you but I have 99% pure IPA
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: spiritlands]
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Oh, I can get 99% isopropanol no problem. But drink that and it will probably kill you, or at least make you very sick. Methanol would actually be the best to use; it's been reported to have the most success in extraction methods. But I need it to be done with human consumable products, which is why ethanol is needed.
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I guess I assumed you were trying an actual extraction where the end product is only psilocybin. In which case the solvent you use is irrelevant. Ethanol would be my last choice considering its less efficient than other solvents and doesn't vap as fast. I don't consider teas and tinctures an extract. That's like saying coffee is caffeine extract.
If the goal is just to transfer the actives to something less suspicious to dose on, they say honey will absorb it well and it preserves it forever. As for the alcohol, even with the most home brew of labs you should be able to distill your 140 proof booze and get at least 180/190 proof.
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: spiritlands]
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Ah, yes. I guess I didn't clarify that. I suppose it would be more of a tincture, with crystals suspended in it. But the difference in my method opposed to other methods is I wanted to extract, concentrate and preserve psilocin as well as psilocybin. That is the real challenge.
I could achieve a crystalline extraction using toxic chemicals, then resuspend it into some form of consumable solution. But the goal is to also be able to do this using common house hold items. Most people don't have access to a full lab :p.
As for the honey preservation method, I've considered it. But it requires the drying step which destroys the psilocin, and does not fully remove all traces of mushroom. My sister, who loves shrooms, is badly allergic to penicillin, and has had allergic reactions to eating more than a gram of shrooms. I don't know if being allergic to penicillin actually has any relation to her allergic reaction to the shrooms, or if extracting will even remove what it is that causes her reaction, but I'd like to try and see.
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Ok I gotcha. That's pretty cool-
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As for the honey preservation method, I've considered it. But it requires the drying step which destroys the psilocin, and does not fully remove all traces of mushroom. My sister, who loves shrooms, is badly allergic to penicillin, and has had allergic reactions to eating more than a gram of shrooms. I don't know if being allergic to penicillin actually has any relation to her allergic reaction to the shrooms, or if extracting will even remove what it is that causes her reaction, but I'd like to try and see.
I'm allergic to penicillin too, and just last weekend harvested some shrooms from a couple of cakes that looked to possibly be contaminated with penicillium. I was pretty sketchy about eating them but ended up deciding to cook them into a spaghetti sauce, which I kept at about 130f for 30 minutes (which is supposed to be enough to kill penicillium, and most other things too). No bad reactions here at all.
Not that this is necessarily a better way to go than extracting, but it might give her a safer method to try while you get the tek worked out. But if she's having reactions to shrooms that are definitely not contaminated, there might be something else going on. Can she eat regular mushrooms like on pizza or whatever? If you want to try it I'd keep an epipen around too, just in case.
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MrBreakingBad
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
#16579384 - 07/24/12 01:41 PM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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I don't know if the mushrooms she had were contaminated or not. She's had mine, which I know are not, but only 1 gram. As for button mushrooms and other edibles, I don't know if she has allergic reactions to those or not. I think she avoids them if at all possible.
So you are ok with mushrooms normally and you're allergic to penicillin?
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Mr. E
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So you are ok with mushrooms normally and you're allergic to penicillin?
That seems to be the case. If you do a search for penicillin on this site you'll find others who say the same. Although while researching it I read an opinion that penicillin allergies are ridiculously over-diagnosed. Apparently if you have an allergic reaction to anything at all while you're taking penicillin, they just assume it's the penicillin without testing it further. So who knows maybe I've just always thought I was allergic because the dr told me so when I was a kid, but it was really something else. I do have allergies to other things, but never had any problem eating any kind of mushrooms, love them actually.
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I could achieve a crystalline extraction using toxic chemicals, then resuspend it into some form of consumable solution. But the goal is to also be able to do this using common house hold items. Most people don't have access to a full lab :p.
nice thread btw
sad i hadnt seen it sooner
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: k00laid]
#16632385 - 08/02/12 08:15 AM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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Update:
Due to the fact that I am still limited with 71% alcohol, I had to resort to a double boiling method to reduce the amount of water present in my tincture, which is contradicts this entire experiment. I still has as of yet to sample it, but it was 20g wet, dried for 8 hrs in a desiccator chamber, soaked for 24 hrs in alcohol (I found that using acetic acid actually inhibited alkaloid extraction), filtered then double boiled down 2ml.
I don't know what to expect from it; is it stronger than consuming 2g of dried shrooms, or did the process cause it to break down? So, I need the right time to test it out.
I have also decided to do a mono-tub for my next grow. I have nearly 2 oz of dried from my 11 1/2 pint cakes so far, but I was expecting a higher yield so this will likely give a lot more.
I have 10 1pint jars colonizing and should be ready in a few weeks. At that time, I'll toss the cakes I have (half of them are already pretty worn out), and convert my SGFC into a mono-tub. I will use a coconut coir/verm (50/50+) substrate, but because crushed oyster shell is impossible to find here I thought calcium sand (used for in terrariums for lizards and hermit crabs) would be an ideal substitute. It's in essence the same thing; calcium carbonate in granulated form. So, we'll see how it works.
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Mr. E
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Update:
Due to the fact that I am still limited with 71% alcohol, I had to resort to a double boiling method to reduce the amount of water present in my tincture, which is contradicts this entire experiment.
I'd have to disagree with that, double boiling is definitely something people can do at home without special equipment. At most they'd have to buy a little electric hotplate if their stove is gas. It's required for DMT extracting too and doesn't seem to be stopping anyone.
Congrats on getting a result, I hope it turns out to be what you wanted. I'm interested in this as a way to extract the goodies in mycelium cakes, rather than just tossing them after a few flushes.
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but because crushed oyster shell is impossible to find here
I found crushed oyster shell in the bird feed area of a pet store, jic you are going there anyway for the sand might as well take a quick peek for it as well
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
#16632481 - 08/02/12 09:10 AM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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Mr. E said:
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Update:
Due to the fact that I am still limited with 71% alcohol, I had to resort to a double boiling method to reduce the amount of water present in my tincture, which is contradicts this entire experiment.
I'd have to disagree with that, double boiling is definitely something people can do at home without special equipment. At most they'd have to buy a little electric hotplate if their stove is gas. It's required for DMT extracting too and doesn't seem to be stopping anyone.
Congrats on getting a result, I hope it turns out to be what you wanted. I'm interested in this as a way to extract the goodies in mycelium cakes, rather than just tossing them after a few flushes.
It's not a matter of people being unable to do double boiling. It's that psilocin is too unstable (so evidence suggests) to be subject to heat, light or oxygen, and I wanted to be able to capture it as well as psylocybin. That's what has made this experiment unsuccessful thus far. I need to find a way to remove water without heat, light or air...
As for breaking down the mycelium cakes, I will be testing this next. Since my method isn't yet quite what I want it won't be perfect. But, if I can still get some use from them it's better than tossing them. I can at least test and see if I am getting alkaloids.
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but because crushed oyster shell is impossible to find here
I found crushed oyster shell in the bird feed area of a pet store, jic you are going there anyway for the sand might as well take a quick peek for it as well
I thought the same thing. I was at the pet store for the sand and looked in the bird section first for crushed oyster shell. No such luck...
So, I'll try what I have access too and see if it works
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It's not a matter of people being unable to do double boiling. It's that psilocin is too unstable (so evidence suggests) to be subject to heat, light or oxygen, and I wanted to be able to capture it as well as psylocybin. That's what has made this experiment unsuccessful thus far. I need to find a way to remove water without heat, light or air...
Ohhh ok thanks for clearing that up, I totally misunderstood your concern.
So is there a reason why getting the Psilocin out is so important? I admitedly don't have a very deep knowledge of chemistry, but isn't psilocybin broken down into psilocin in your body after taking it anyway?
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: Mr. E]
#16634413 - 08/02/12 05:10 PM (9 months, 12 days ago) |
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You're right, psilocybin is broken down into psilocin by the body and that's what gets you high. But you're losing all that psilocin that is already there in the mushroom. Plus, ingestion of psilocin causes a faster reaction than psilocybin (or they say). So, I wanted to capture it all, with no waste.
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Any way you could distill the alcohol yourself?
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Re: Breaking Bad... 's first grow [Re: cloudpersona]
#16638282 - 08/03/12 08:03 AM (9 months, 11 days ago) |
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Any way you could distill the alcohol yourself?
I could, but then I'd have to invest in a whole distillation set up where I could just drive a few hours and get everclear from the US. It's just a matter of actually going
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