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I'm here to enlighten you.
#16455935 - 06/29/12 02:50 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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If you want to be enlightened I am going to help you. The procedure is simple, ask questions in regards to a "spiritual" or "mystical" experience and I will begin to systematically eliminate any beliefs that are surrounding this phenomena, bringing you closer to the truth. Many experiences that one has are often stretched into the realm of belief. If one is following a belief system and that experience has been described, then that experience can be used to justify and enforce the beliefs that have been attached to that experience. The experience is not what you are saying it is or what you are told it is, because those are just idea's existing in the mind.
Every belief system uses actual experiences and try's to own them in a particular way, generally used for power and sometimes only to try to point at the phenomena. The experiences are very real, the idea's attached to the experience are generally false.
To get to the bottom of this you start with experiences and then explain what you think it means or were told it means, and I will try to tell you if you have stretched an experience to tie with connotations presented illiciting the belief.
I want to help you uncover that little morsel of truth that is like a diamond surround in millennia of dead and decaying matter. The diamond remains unchanged under the debris, we just have to get rid of the debris to find it.
I am going to do this for free for you, because I really do love you all.
Step right up!
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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Here is an example. Someone describes an experience and tells you what that experience means, then that experience happens. So is what they told you it means also true?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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You can also ask question about a wide range of processes such as kundalini, MCO, qi-qong, buddhism, internal alchemy etc. and how they correlate to one another if you would like.
I feel that I have mastered these, and would like offer you my assistance if possible.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Rev. Morton]
#16456137 - 06/29/12 03:34 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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He's stuck within Buddhism, I am not. By being within no boxes you can see within all boxes. -teknix
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
#16456173 - 06/29/12 03:38 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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i don't think he's stuck anywhere tbh
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
#16456180 - 06/29/12 03:39 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yes, that is a belief def. Very good.
How can one subjective experience know another?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
#16456185 - 06/29/12 03:42 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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you can't know anything - hence why i said 'i think' - just a guess based on his behaviour
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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So we can use probability to determine the likely hood of fact or fiction?

IE; it seems most likely that he works within Buddhist tradition as it was presented to him and understood (or realized) by him. Is that an erroneous assumption?
Behold the box.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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even that no imo - i mean we can try - but there's always (i think hehe) fundamental uncertainty with any assertion. if this were a dream, then all my theories and assertions would be nonsensical in hindsight upon awakening - and i have many dreams that resemble this.
that said, we make do with what we have - and in order to function it's useful to make guesses and weigh things with assumed probabilities
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
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Do his actions accord to buddhist tradition? This really isn't as complicated as you are trying to make it imo.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: So we can use probability to determine the likely hood of fact or fiction?

IE; it seems most likely that he works within Buddhist tradition as it was presented to him and understood (or realized) by him. Is that an erroneous assumption?
Behold the box.
i'd say it's a good assumption that he's very knowledgeable about buddhism - but to say buddhism is a box he's stuck in is a guess on your part, and one i don't agree with tho he may be, i dunno. buddhism is (when practiced properly) a box that destroys itself (and other boxes in the process) - which means a realized being who used buddhism to 'get' his/her realization no longer needs buddhism, and is no longer defined by it.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
#16456219 - 06/29/12 03:51 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Buddhism is not the box, the box is the beliefs surrounding buddhism. You can get stuck there, and develop a bias due to continuous affirmation of experience combined with beliefs attached to that experience.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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that's definitely possible, it's just my guess that the Dalai Lama is smart enough to avoid that trap.
anyways i don't want to derail your thread any further about the DL
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
#16456236 - 06/29/12 03:54 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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How many buddhist have shown evidence of avoiding that trap in the history of buddhism? Why is it divided into so many interpretations and sects? You think they can all be correct?
Only one could be correct in reality, and it is likely to coincide with others that are also correct, so consider this.
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lol, you're going to enlighten someone? You might want to work on your arrogance if you're truly serious... Also, its kind of funny how you're talking about boxes while boxing yourself in.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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there's different mental dispositions requiring different antidotes in the forms of teachings, hence why there's such a wide range of teachings. also, different minds understand the same idea in different ways, using different descriptions, etc - so there's natural variation in that too.
there's a common saying in buddhism that the finger is not the moon. the finger is the teachings, and the moon is realization. while there is only one moon as you say, there can be many different fingers pointing to it based on where people are relative to the moon. if people get stuck on the finger part that's a problem, the goal is to see the moon and then forget the finger.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Byrain]
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That is your belief, which gives insight into your very perspective. With your eyes I can see how jealous you must be. Mistaken my confidence for arrogance to shit on me.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
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deff said: there's different mental dispositions requiring different antidotes in the forms of teachings, hence why there's such a wide range of teachings. also, different minds understand the same idea in different ways, using different descriptions, etc - so there's natural variation in that too.
there's a common saying in buddhism that the finger is not the moon. the finger is the teachings, and the moon is realization. while there is only one moon as you say, there can be many different fingers pointing to it based on where people are relative to the moon. if people get stuck on the finger part that's a problem, the goal is to see the moon and then forget the finger.
Yes, but amongst the sects there are obvious irreconcilable contradictions are there not? So you think to know only one path?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: That is your belief, which gives insight into your very perspective. With your eyes I can see how jealous you must be. Mistaken my confidence for arrogance to shit on me.
Lol, no, that's not a belief, just an observation. And I'd prefer if you didn't try to guess what my perspective is when you really haven't a clue.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Byrain]
#16456282 - 06/29/12 04:05 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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What do you know of Love Byrain?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
#16456313 - 06/29/12 04:15 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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In reality awareness is too big to stuff into any one of these boxes, one must choose these boxes, whether it is a conscious decision or not.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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IMO either there is no box in the first place or everyone is in a box of some form
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Kickle]
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Well, maybe it depends on how real you believe the beliefs built around the diamond to be.
Nice point 
The box is as imaginary as you believe the residual self-image to be.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
#16456362 - 06/29/12 04:29 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Did you know that these sort of realizations can lead to the finer aspects of being? We can choose how we feel for instance, we can choose to feel love instead of anger or frustration.
We can become more in tune with our physical bodies and discover what some call forms of energy. Which is actually realizing that awareness is not fixated to the place that the eyes see, it can transverse the entire body.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: deff]
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If that were true he'd be wearing shorts and a tee shirt on hot days.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Icelander]
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If that were true he'd be wearing shorts and a tee shirt on hot days.
Or nothing at all! Such a false dichotomy you present!
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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I thought OP was on track to something good, just my 2c.
Enlightenment is just recognising yourself, if only for a split second. It is more likely a split-second experience is valid than one existing drawn-out in time.
"I _HAVE_ the state!" - two ideas, I, and ownership, separate from the experience. Can't be valid.
a more valid reaction would be "Wow!", and never speak of it earnestly to anyone, knowing it is only you who can accept or reject it.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: circastes]
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Yeah dude, sounds like you got that much, but is there still a will in there?
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What do you know of Love Byrain?
Little, but then I'm not the one claiming to be enlightened and then getting stuck on boxes and imagined jealousy.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Byrain]
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I can not be enlightened. I know what it is and understand the mechanism for this very real subjective experience. You however can be enlightened from that perspective which you hold.
Here is your first lesson, there is not a way to know if another is enlightened. For me to say I am enlightened would lead you to belief while I would be condoning for you to believe that for whatever reason.
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#16457880 - 06/29/12 10:03 PM (10 months, 16 days ago) |
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Only you can find the truth, to release the hold you have on the truth.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
#16461513 - 06/30/12 06:50 PM (10 months, 15 days ago) |
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Do I still have a will? Yeah. In my psychotic reliving of childhood I fantasise about killing cops, my brother, children, slamming on the brakes in front of a family car on the highway.
I'm not going to do any of it, but I'm going to make sure karmically, my father cannot handle what comes back his way. It's ALL his fault, and I see him everywhere and want to split him open.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: circastes]
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Eh? What is the difference between will and willpower circastes?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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Hello teknix.
What is the difference between qigong and meditation?
How is Kundalini methods practiced, and how does it correlate to a serpent that resides within?
What does MCO stand for?
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Jessel]
#16467902 - 07/01/12 11:40 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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Hi Jessel,
How about one question at a time Whichever one you would like answered first.
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What is the difference between qigong and meditation?
How is Kundalini methods practiced, and how does it correlate to a serpent that resides within?
What does MCO stand for?
Meditation is when you sit in a way that feels good, qi gong is when you stand in a way that feels good.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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Microcosmic orbit is a Taoist internal alchemy and directly related to the kundalini system, but it is looking from a different angle. Here you See the microcosmic orbit:

And here you see the chakra system:

Hopefully you can see a different look at a similar phenomena.
Meditation is an important part of ever system, including qiqong. Qiqong focus has a different look at the energy system as well and includes meditation, exercise, and focus breathing. Breathing plays a very important role in qiqong and really does have medical benefits due to increasing the oxygen in your blood which translates to better efficiencies of oxidative phosphorylation which synthesis ATP (useable energy for the body). They use abdominal breathing to aid the process because:
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It is really just different looks and connotations of similar phenomena. Some are wrapped in more belief than others which is a more creative approach for some.
What experience do you have with any of these?
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Teknix,
I have experience with the general idea of meditation. I am familiar, and have performed, many variations including mantra-repeating and chanting. But I particularly favor the simplest, which is simply sitting, nothing else, focusing on the neutral breath as an anchor.
The reason I inquired about Kundalini and it's correlation to the serpent has to do with my interest in the history of spiritualism and it's correlation to serpents in general, i.e. Kundalini serpent vs. Serpent in Garden of Eden vs. Egyptian's worship of serpents, etc. But this topic is a slight detour, as it deals with historical notions rather than the present now.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Jessel]
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It's ok, those are more teachings that carry the truth that it may be perpetuated imo. I personally haven't found any snakes or anything, yet pure awareness without the contructs built around the truth of this freeness. Awareness is formless and can form to whatever mold there is for it really, yet it has to be chosen to fit that mold. You could refer to it as a snake or dragon or whatever, it doesn't make any difference if it is a good pointer towards the actual phenomena, imho.
It is basically about how you choose to go about it, some like a scientific approach while others use fiction to entice the imagination from the looks of it 
I don't think any of them are necessarily wrong unless for instance; they say they are only right.
It is a way to interpret self-evident and subjective phenomena, each time the interpretation is original it wouldn't be the same as something else. So maybe some of these idea's came from the same source, or maybe they just are true. If you accept the prior notions and beliefs wrapped around the phenomena then the beliefs attached could also inadvertantly be chosen by you to be true, if you are not alert.
The beliefs don't really seem necessary to uncover the objective phenomena and see the truth, articulating it is just a way you can interpret it to pass it on to someone. If there are beliefs present in the articulation those too could be passed on with the truth.
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I think one should always reconsider the first idea's they have about any subjective phenomena, and attempt to look at it from another angle so one doesn't inadvertently construct a box and choose to be in it.
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These quotes are showing how small intestine can absorb oxygen which helps to prevent the cells having to rely on lactic acid fermentation, or synthesizing ATP without oxygen :
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If oxygen is present in the cell, many organisms will bypass fermentation and undergo cellular respiration; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid_fermentation
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Most of the bacteria that would grow there are anaerobic, they don't use oxygen, so that is another possible reason for the benefits of abdominal breathing.
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Some bacteria and yeasts organisms are unable to cope with the presence of oxygen. These organisms use fermentation as a method of obtaining energy in the form of ATP. Because the production of lactic acid frees up NAD+, the process of glycolysis can continue.[3]
Lactic acid fermentation also occurs in animal muscle cells under conditions when oxygen is low. Extreme exercise would be an example of this. In this situation, the lactate is carried away by the circulatory system to the liver, where it is converted back to pyruvate through the Cori cycle.[2]
Fermentation, however, is far less effective than cellular respiration, producing only two ATP molecules per glucose molecule consumed. The typical yield from cellular respiration is anywhere from 34-38 molecules of ATP. Thus, it is typically seen only in small organisms, such as bacteria and yeast, that can survive on this low energy yield.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid_fermentation
So abdominal breathing has pretty good evidence for why it does work imo.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: teknix]
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The thing is, you don't really need to know how it is working for it to work, do you?
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Er sorry about my outburst, I don't think I even answered the question.
I think my schizophrenia and my manic depression ends today.
Whatever you do guys, don't open doors then let yourself go. You gotta keep your shit together if you're going to scale those heights.
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: circastes]
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I think my schizophrenia and my manic depression ends today.
I won't be so hasty. You might just need them before the year is out.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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circastes
Being too serious


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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: Icelander]
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I think the schizophrenia was settle a little while ago, I just noticed a few hours ago though. The trauma is almost healed, I can feel it, I feel utterly revivified and renewed. I made momma a cuppa coffee and turned her bedside lamp on for her because she has work today.
Gonna fix this house up today, in style.
Awwwyeah.
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she said there's good men
that there's God in everyone
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The Minstrel in the Gallery



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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: circastes]
#16470907 - 07/02/12 05:37 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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bake her a pie with blackbirds in it. 
4 and 20 to be exact.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: I'm here to enlighten you. [Re: circastes]
#16471129 - 07/02/12 06:23 PM (10 months, 13 days ago) |
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circastes said: Er sorry about my outburst, I don't think I even answered the question.
I think my schizophrenia and my manic depression ends today.
Whatever you do guys, don't open doors then let yourself go. You gotta keep your shit together if you're going to scale those heights.
Assumption can be extremely detrimental to the psyche at those heights. I say you may be right, contain the blight, then fight for whats right.
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