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Kickle
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#16443154 - 06/27/12 12:15 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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I was given access to a book that has yet to be published. Written by an aging Buddhist scholar. Somewhere in his early years he became fascinated with Chinese and then the wisdom traditions of the East. Took the time to read all the wisdom texts that he could in their ancient Chinese forms.
Anyways, here's a snippet of some bits I've enjoyed:
"Where had all the options gone? There was no more possibility. At that moment, after crushing my imaginary cigarette, I recognized myself for the lifetime dreamer I was. My dream life depended on faith in the possibility that somehow, somewhere, sometime, the dream would come true. That was the carrot in front of the horse. As that possibility faded, my dream life came to a close. The old truck called [Al] was rambling to a full stop. Inertia propelled me onward but there was absolutely zero possibility that anything real could develop between me and nineteen- (or seventeen-) year old Irina, the girl I had just snapped the shutter on over two hundred times. In spite of the facts, if I wasn’t vigilantly mindful, I would slip back into the dream state where Irina became a possibility, a potential exception, the outlier that would escape the common world. We would nestle together, hold hands while we walked, and love each other to death. I sneered. I was so unbelievably stupid! Please try to imagine what you look like to her, you old fool. You’re a black man in the fifties, a Korean in Japan, a Japanese in China, a Muslim in America, a Jew among the Nazis, and so forth. Jo, you’re foreign, fat, and low on dough. Fuck you, old man! Wake up, bitch!"
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Kickle
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16443211 - 06/27/12 12:30 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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"“You are beautiful,” I said. “Don’t talk nonsense,” she replied. “Do you want to or not?” “I want to but can’t,” I said. “Aiya! Why did you ask a young lady here, then?” “I thought I might be up to it,” I said. “Mr. Jo,” she said, sitting up and leaning toward me as if she were going to let me in on a secret. “You are not young.” Yes, that was the damned truth. And I was not young not because I was almost seventy years old, but because I had dissipated my life-force, running full bore from fifteen onward, and had neglected my health so that rheumatism, gout, degenerated disks, weak kidneys, bad liver, twenty-five excess pounds, and an enlarged prostate had made me sick. Sickness, old age, and death. There was a reason that sickness came first in the list. Men who had been more careful were still robust at seventy. Those men had lived upright instead of profligate lives. When she said “not young,” she was being polite, for old age itself wasn’t so bad. “Not young” was a euphemism for “sick.”
“Mei, you’re right. I should turn the situation around.” I then quoted the whole line. “Don’t be turned by the circumstances, turn them around instead.” This seemed to wake Mei up. She got up, pulled on her panties and bra, took a bathrobe from a hook on the wall, and sat down in one of the padded chairs. “Mr. Jo, how about giving me a glass of tea,” she said. I selected the midpriced tea again. “Will this be okay?” “Fine,” she said. “Do you know how to make it the real way?” “More or less. I should get a little earthenware pot and the rest of the stuff. I have a set at home. Maybe I should buy another one while I’m in Taipei this time.” “Do you come often?” “It’s been around thirty years since the last time. And that was ten years after the time before that.” “Were you an American soldier then?” “No, I managed to avoid the Vietnam War by staying in college. I guess you could say I was a student. Anyway, I studied Chinese here and helped my friend Lao Zhang translate movie scripts into Chinese. I would explain the more difficult English to him, especially the slang, using both Chinese and English and then he’d translate the dialog into Chinese. We were able to earn enough to get by, that’s all. Also I taught English in several buxiban and to private students.” “You’re an ‘old China hand’ then, aren’t you,” she said, laughing. I had warmed up the two glasses with some of the hot boiled water, then shook nine or ten tightly balled up wulong tea leaves from their airtight bag into each glass. I poured on some water, swirled the leaves with it, waited a few seconds, and then emptied the wa- ter into the sink to get rid of the dross and further warm up the glasses and soften the leaves. I then poured again. If I were more careful about it, I would have made it in a pot or used the glasses as substitute pots and then after about one minute poured the tea into new glasses, thereby stopping the steeping process before the tea became too strong, saving the tea leaves for a second draft. But I was doing it the sloppy way Lao Zhang and I used in the old days when we were working on the movie translations, discussing Chinese history or politics, or scheming how to make money. Our old third-floor flat was about six blocks from where I was right now. I should see if it was still there. “What do you mean by ‘Turn the situation’ or ‘Don’t be turned by the situation’?”³⁶ she asked. I took a sip of my tea and sat down in the other padded chair. “When I was young, I studied a little bit with a Chinese Buddhist monk. He told me that. It’s probably an old Buddhist saying.” “What’s it mean?” Mei asked. I did not answer immediately. Ultimately, I didn’t know. As I got older and thought about Buddhist teachings more, I said less about them. In my twenties, I could have supplied an answer immediately, couched no doubt in pseudo-Zen-like obscurity. In my thirties and forties, I would have made a serious attempt at an explanation based on my studies. In my fifties, I tried to use the opportunity to say something that might be useful without much concern for the technically correct answer. And lately, I tended to respond from whatever insight I had at the moment, or mumble something, or say nothing— the usual case. Here I directed my focus inward. It was common sense, nothing, really nothing to turn off. “For example, I feel defeated now, because my little prick won’t stay hard,” I said. “Seeing things in these terms, and this feeling of sadness is to ‘be turned by the situation.’ But seeing the description as fake, and this feeling as fake, and telling you about it, is to ‘turn the situation.’ Like that.” “I don’t understand,” she said. We were quiet for a while.
Edited by Kickle (06/27/12 12:32 AM)
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16443528 - 06/27/12 02:06 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thanks, looks like a good read.
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16444240 - 06/27/12 09:43 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Kickle said: I was given access to a book that has yet to be published. Written by an aging Buddhist scholar. Somewhere in his early years he became fascinated with Chinese and then the wisdom traditions of the East. Took the time to read all the wisdom texts that he could in their ancient Chinese forms.
Anyways, here's a snippet of some bits I've enjoyed:
"Where had all the options gone? There was no more possibility. At that moment, after crushing my imaginary cigarette, I recognized myself for the lifetime dreamer I was. My dream life depended on faith in the possibility that somehow, somewhere, sometime, the dream would come true. That was the carrot in front of the horse. As that possibility faded, my dream life came to a close. The old truck called [Al] was rambling to a full stop. Inertia propelled me onward but there was absolutely zero possibility that anything real could develop between me and nineteen- (or seventeen-) year old Irina, the girl I had just snapped the shutter on over two hundred times. In spite of the facts, if I wasn’t vigilantly mindful, I would slip back into the dream state where Irina became a possibility, a potential exception, the outlier that would escape the common world. We would nestle together, hold hands while we walked, and love each other to death. I sneered. I was so unbelievably stupid! Please try to imagine what you look like to her, you old fool. You’re a black man in the fifties, a Korean in Japan, a Japanese in China, a Muslim in America, a Jew among the Nazis, and so forth. Jo, you’re foreign, fat, and low on dough. Fuck you, old man! Wake up, bitch!"
This is decent shit. As you age (if wisdom is in you) you realize lots of what you have been up to is making you pretty sad and it will never work. Fixing anything is not what it's about. Accepting your life as it is, is the only way to be happy in the end.
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16444251 - 06/27/12 09:49 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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This is just a regular guy whos waking up imo.
And all those guys who took care of themselves and are vigorous into old age? First they are a minority. Second, they might have lived pretty prescribed lives.
The thing to do imo when these "realizations" come up is to turn it around by going back and really appreciating for maybe the first time what fun you had fucking your body up. You took all that fun for granted and now it doesn't seem like fun but it was and you can still remember it if you aren't stone dead frozen yet. Of course to pull it off you'll have to accept the price you've paid and realize that it was a fair price and that 70 year old is going to fall apart in the same way just further down the road. I just try to appreciate each moment as it comes, with whatever it brings, good or bad. It's all you can do imo and if you get good at it things even out pretty nicely. Getting on good terms with your death is a must.
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16444350 - 06/27/12 10:39 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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I just watched the Spanish film Biutiful last night, which is about these kinds of themes: aging and the alarming break-down of the body, and coming to grips with death. It's an extraordinary film, I recommend it.
This man's account is honest and personal, and in that sense I like it much more than when I hear younger people -- like myself -- expounding on impermanence and grasping and attachment. This man's unsatisfactoriness feels palpable and I can relate to it, it hasn't been abstracted too much between his experience of it and putting it on paper. Thanks for sharing that excerpt, Kickle.
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Lion]
#16444539 - 06/27/12 11:51 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Thanks for the responses guys. Does anyone mind if I pass along the commentary to this guy so he can hear some of the reactions to his work? Just quoted text, no names or any identifying marks.
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16444592 - 06/27/12 12:12 PM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Tell him to PM me. I'm the worlds greatest philostopher you know and might be of some help to this poor guy.
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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Kickle
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sure thing
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16444684 - 06/27/12 12:40 PM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Us old farts should stick apart.
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Lion]
#16445826 - 06/27/12 04:54 PM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Lion said: I just watched the Spanish film Biutiful last night, which is about these kinds of themes: aging and the alarming break-down of the body, and coming to grips with death. It's an extraordinary film, I recommend it.
Looking forward to checking it out, good to come across this kind of film man
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16449482 - 06/28/12 07:20 AM (11 months, 13 days ago) |
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I liked it. Wouldn't mind reading more.
-------------------- "I'm just a soul whose intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood"
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Kickle
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Lion said: I just watched the Spanish film Biutiful last night, which is about these kinds of themes: aging and the alarming break-down of the body, and coming to grips with death. It's an extraordinary film, I recommend it.
Looking forward to checking it out, good to come across this kind of film man
Yeah, well I just watched a new Spanish film that recently came out, its called casa de mi padre... its not really relevant at all here , only that it has Spanish dialogue. Will Ferrel is hilarious in more then one style of comedy.Interest-ante!
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#16990283 - 10/08/12 01:41 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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Figured I'd update this post with some personal anecdotes. Here's a few stories from my personal interactions with this author.
1.) I am a young boy, likely no more than 12 years of age. My father is taking me to meet a friend of his who lives out in the forest. We arrive to a partially collapsed barn and several wooden buildings amidst many acres of forest. It's sunny. I see a few cats and later learn that there are at least 10 roaming the premises. They feed primarily off rodents and are fed only occasionally by the homeowner while never actually entering the home.
After my father meets and greets with his old friend we wind our way behind the home to split some wood for the fire. A large stack of logs is available and we grab one to split. The wood is tough and unyielding, not ideal for splitting at all. I'm not sure if it is too moist or whether the tree was knotted, but it wasn't splitting. So the two older men just let me have my fun burying an axe into it over and over. As I begin to fatigue we start to rotate attempts. My father who has spent most of his life gathering wood and splitting it for our home takes his turn. Occasionally he has success with a log but more often than not the wood remains whole. Now here is what really stands out to me about this. After we've labored for a while to very poor gain, my father's friend goes "ok, time to go Zen on it". So he takes the axe and makes his swing. It isn't an overly labored swing and the log does nothing but let out a low thump as the axe connects. So I say, "where was the Zen?" To which he responds "There it was, didn't you see?" And at that moment I was filled with elation and started giggling. This is a feeling I have rarely had replicated in my life and feel very inadequate in being able to fully describe.
2.) Fast forward ~13 years, I'm now 25. I have rarely seen my father's friend as we don't often go to visit and neither does he. But on this day he is in the city on the hunt for a present for a friend. My father brings him in to my place of work. He wants a particular pen, a fountain pen that costs just shy of $40. I have a display of the pen in Blue, Black, or Purple. He insists that the purple will be best as it is a present for a 70th birthday and Purple is the color best suited for a 70th birthday. I go hunting but only have the black or blue version. I try to go a step farther, checking other stores to see if they have the purple. I'm turning up empty. So I check to see if I can order one in from the warehouse, nothing. So he goes with the blue one. Nothing out of the ordinary here at all. He and my father leave, I continue about my daily tasks.
About 5 minutes later they return. They decided to pick up some refill cartridges for the pen. A wise move I think. We're short staffed so I'm at a register now cashiering. I direct them to the refills. They eventually arrive at the register and I ring them out. My father's friend has poor vision so it takes a while to get the credit card the correct direction and everything moving along through the electronic system. By the time the transaction is finished, there is a decent line forming. I hand him his goods and they are off again. But the next person in line goes "is this his?" and I look down. There is a wallet sitting on the counter. I grab it and shout out to him. He turns back around. The customer also holds up his hat, which he also left. She asks, "is this yours?" He walks back towards us and says "yea, it's all me". This was my second Zen experience with this gentleman. Again, elation and a sense of wide-open spaciousness. And it didn't seem to affect just me. The customer holding the cap was giddy too and after he had grabbed his items and left, I had one of the most truly wonderful interactions with her. It was very light, very relaxed, and very joyful.
I don't know what to make of it, I don't know what the deal is, but those two experiences are very uncommon in my life. And if you have any interest in supporting such a man based on my experiences, I urge you to do so by buying his book. I'm sure he'll be fine if you don't but I think it's a nice way to say "thanks".
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16993863 - 10/08/12 10:26 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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Kickle said: Figured I'd update this post with some personal anecdotes. Here's a few stories from my personal interactions with this author.
1.) I am a young boy, likely no more than 12 years of age. My father is taking me to meet a friend of his who lives out in the forest. We arrive to a partially collapsed barn and several wooden buildings amidst many acres of forest. It's sunny. I see a few cats and later learn that there are at least 10 roaming the premises. They feed primarily off rodents and are fed only occasionally by the homeowner while never actually entering the home.
After my father meets and greets with his old friend we wind our way behind the home to split some wood for the fire. A large stack of logs is available and we grab one to split. The wood is tough and unyielding, not ideal for splitting at all. I'm not sure if it is too moist or whether the tree was knotted, but it wasn't splitting. So the two older men just let me have my fun burying an axe into it over and over. As I begin to fatigue we start to rotate attempts. My father who has spent most of his life gathering wood and splitting it for our home takes his turn. Occasionally he has success with a log but more often than not the wood remains whole. Now here is what really stands out to me about this. After we've labored for a while to very poor gain, my father's friend goes "ok, time to go Zen on it". So he takes the axe and makes his swing. It isn't an overly labored swing and the log does nothing but let out a low thump as the axe connects. So I say, "where was the Zen?" To which he responds "There it was, didn't you see?" And at that moment I was filled with elation and started giggling. This is a feeling I have rarely had replicated in my life and feel very inadequate in being able to fully describe.
2.) Fast forward ~13 years, I'm now 25. I have rarely seen my father's friend as we don't often go to visit and neither does he. But on this day he is in the city on the hunt for a present for a friend. My father brings him in to my place of work. He wants a particular pen, a fountain pen that costs just shy of $40. I have a display of the pen in Blue, Black, or Purple. He insists that the purple will be best as it is a present for a 70th birthday and Purple is the color best suited for a 70th birthday. I go hunting but only have the black or blue version. I try to go a step farther, checking other stores to see if they have the purple. I'm turning up empty. So I check to see if I can order one in from the warehouse, nothing. So he goes with the blue one. Nothing out of the ordinary here at all. He and my father leave, I continue about my daily tasks.
About 5 minutes later they return. They decided to pick up some refill cartridges for the pen. A wise move I think. We're short staffed so I'm at a register now cashiering. I direct them to the refills. They eventually arrive at the register and I ring them out. My father's friend has poor vision so it takes a while to get the credit card the correct direction and everything moving along through the electronic system. By the time the transaction is finished, there is a decent line forming. I hand him his goods and they are off again. But the next person in line goes "is this his?" and I look down. There is a wallet sitting on the counter. I grab it and shout out to him. He turns back around. The customer also holds up his hat, which he also left. She asks, "is this yours?" He walks back towards us and says "yea, it's all me". This was my second Zen experience with this gentleman. Again, elation and a sense of wide-open spaciousness. And it didn't seem to affect just me. The customer holding the cat was giddy too and after he had grabbed his items and left, I had one of the most truly wonderful interactions with her. It was very light, very relaxed, and very joyful.
I don't know what to make of it, I don't know what the deal is, but those two experiences are very uncommon in my life. And if you have any interest in supporting such a man based on my experiences, I urge you to do so by buying his book. I'm sure he'll be fine if you don't but I think it's a nice way to say "thanks".

Pulp Enlightenment.
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16993902 - 10/08/12 10:33 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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I don't know why I'd want to buy a book just because you make some claim about feeling something that makes no sense to me.
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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Kickle
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It might make sense to others 
you should buy it because you old wise guys need to show some love to one another
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Re: Sneak Preview [Re: Kickle]
#16994005 - 10/08/12 10:46 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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Kickle said: It might make sense to others 
you should buy it because you old wise guys need to show some love to one another
Beach reading for Hippies
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Icelander said: Us old farts should stick apart. 
-------------------- "People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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