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#16444404 - 06/27/12 11:01 AM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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A.M. Freyed
Infowars.com
June 26, 2012
A recent appearance by top US bureaucrat Michele Leonhart is making a stir throughout the blogosphere because of its incompetence and evasiveness. But perhaps there is a bigger story.
In fact, one might argue Leonhart’s appearance signals a turning point in the “war on drugs” … much the way an appearance in 2009 by the Federal Reserve’s Inspector General Elizabeth Coleman helped puncture Fed credibility.
In the video itself (which also accompanies various articles), Drug Enforcement Administrator Leonhart refuses to answer whether heroin is more addictive than marijuana. But her caution – caught in the crosshairs of YouTube’s merciless gaze – comes across as evasion. Her determined rephrasing would seem to present itself as reluctance to convey the truth.
Testifying at a recent House Judiciary Subcommittee hearing, she seems either woefully uninformed or maliciously determined to mislead those conducting the hearing. The entire encounter is reminiscent of a video presenting the testimony of Fed Inspector General Coleman on May 5, 2009.
This testimony has already gone down in the history of the alternative press as “The Day that May Have Ended the Fed as We Know It.” The Coleman video basically shows one of the Fed’s top officers shakily denying that she has the authority to find out where trillions of Fed dollars – money printed from nothing – were shipped during the “contagion crisis” of 2008-2009.
In the case of Coleman, her questioner is (former) Representative Alan Grayson. In the case of Leonhart, her questioner is Rep. Jared Polis. But the identity of the questioners is not so important as the appearances of their victims, eventually, on YouTube.
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There, on YouTube, they are judged by multi-millions of viewers and subjected increasingly to generalized derision. The omnipotent state that sponsors both the Fed and the “war on the drugs” can withstand almost anything, but not mockery. YouTube’s exposure and the subsequent reaction of viewers are deadly to the state’s justifications for many of its most Draconian and authoritarian policies.
Is it a coincidence that in the 21st century, much of the fear-based propaganda that elites have used to promote world government is beginning to crumble? Global warming and other scarcity-based propaganda along with the “war on terror” are all increasingly subject to corrosive popular doubt and public ridicule.
This is a trend little noted in the bought-and-paid-for media, but no less powerful for its lack of mainstream reporting. Already, the Polis/Leonhart dialogue probably has in aggregate something like a million views. The Grayson/Coleman confrontation probably has many millions more. As noted, the consequences can be severe.
Coleman’s appearance at Grayson’s hearing surely aggravated the Fed’s current troubles. The Fed has been subject to increasing scrutiny, and the latest bombshell to emerge is that top Fed board members – as a result of the ongoing “financial crisis – distributed up to US$4 trillion to various banking entities in which they had specific interests.
But at the time, Coleman’s appearance showed quite clearly that those at the top of the Fed had absolutely no idea how to operate in an era when one’s evasiveness and incompetence is not celebrated by the New York Times, but excoriated by millions on YouTube. Alex Jones, Infowars and the organization We Are Change, among others, have helped pioneer this type of exposure.
Leonhart is not Coleman, of course, but she is similarly an upper echelon person and as such speaks for the bureaucratic elites that make their leeching off the grief and blood of those captured in the web of “illegal” drug use.
The continued lack of competence when it comes to public appearances goes to show that 20 years after the ‘Nets initial public penetration, the global elites that want to rule the world still have little or no coordinated strategy (other than censorship) on how to deal with the Net’s subversive and ultimately corrosive impact.
The soft-fascism of the West’s political functionaries is increasingly under attack and every day – week, month and year – that the Internet exists, the elite’s difficulties are compounded. Many more average people understand that there is almost no justification for any of the government vaunted paraphernalia – let alone the monopoly central banking that is continuously ruining countries around the world.
Of course, censorship DOES remain an option, and it has been pointed out elsewhere that the global elites seem to be making an effort to legalize some drugs. One could argue that Leonhart’s disastrous appearance is part of this larger trend.
One theory is that the elites used the “war on drugs” to build up the penitentiary-industrial complex around the world and that they are now in the process of transferring the infrastructure to its intended destination as a resource for the “war on terror” – aimed at anyone who resists the putative New World Order.
While it is certainly true that the elites are trying to use the awesome power of the Internet for their own ends, it is equally true that the Internet remains a weapon of freedom and insight available to tens and hundreds of millions.
Video clips, freely disseminated, have the ability to undermine those shadowy few that wield tremendous power but operate in the shadows. They are exposed by their own words. Coleman and Leonhart are two such. But there are many others … and more to come.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: downlowfunk]
#16444412 - 06/27/12 11:03 AM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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I think information is crippling their illusion. They still rule though.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: downlowfunk]
#16444583 - 06/27/12 12:09 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Was decent till about halfway through, then it got REALLY, REALLY biased. Not that I don't believe what it says, but I like to see more objective articles.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: 36fuckin5]
#16444853 - 06/27/12 01:19 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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The fed is not dead. This will not kill off the DEA either. These guys at infowars are constantly certain that this event or that event means the libertarian viewpoint is taking over when in reality nothing has changed. Hell, 30% of Americans don't even have access to the internet.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: 36fuckin5]
#16444891 - 06/27/12 01:27 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Was decent till about halfway through, then it got REALLY, REALLY biased. Not that I don't believe what it says, but I like to see more objective articles.
it was more about the FED issue years back then it was the DEA 
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16444916 - 06/27/12 01:31 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said:
The fed is not dead. This will not kill off the DEA either. These guys at infowars are constantly certain that this event or that event means the libertarian viewpoint is taking over when in reality nothing has changed. Hell, 30% of Americans don't even have access to the internet.
Yeah that is sad the part about the Libertarian movement. They believe they are free. They make their own license plates and inspection stickers, make their own driver's licenses, coin and print their own money etc.
At the end of the Day Federal, state and/or federal and state contractors take them down. The Federal Reserve may not be Federal but they hold enforcement contracts with the federal government?
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: downlowfunk]
#16444943 - 06/27/12 01:40 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yes it turns into an infowars rant about the FED and the usual message from them.
. Here is my conspiracy theory:
If you watch the video you feel empowered.
This was designed to do that.
Everyone points at everyone else, people feel the truth has arrived. Then they all say save the children and the drug laws stay on the books.
Just like Obama agreeing with everyone about Marijuana, just so he could get elected. The he goes right back to the FUDge.
You don't need to be on the internet to know Marijuana laws are ridiculous.
Edited by downlowfunk (06/27/12 01:41 PM)
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: downlowfunk]
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on the contrary.. the drug war is working remarkably well...remember ..the war is not meant to be won.. it is meant to be continuous...
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: Annapurna1]
#16446546 - 06/27/12 07:36 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Nah, at this point they're failing and flailing.
Like many others have said, it's already over really. The money has won. We just so happen to also be experiencing an unprecedented decline in fiat currency worldwide.
So many games are unravelling.
The only way they could win would be to crack down hard. Things can't remain as they are and there still be a hope or a prayer of the government walking away whole.
Overextension of the military, world history record high deficits, imprisoning of 743 out of every 100,000 Americans (Russia being next highest at 577), state supervision on every 1 out of 32 Americans, corrupt corporate welfare schemes that far outweigh the dangers and budget expenditures of equally unjust, yet infinitely more dramatized poverty welfare schemes
A police state where the laws that are clearly supposed to govern are not being enforced or are being interpreted illegally and corruptly, a place where any of us, even city governors can be awoken at 3:30 in the morning with the sound of battering rams and rifle rounds being fired, to learn moments later that one of our family pets, or perhaps much more tragically, one of our human family members has been injured or even fatally wounded. Where we KNOW that there will be NO repercussions for such actions and that we'll count ourselves lucky to have escaped with our very own lives.
This isn't going to continue like it is. They can't afford it, literally, financially. There is no more credit.
The only way to do this though is non-violently. Violence won't work. Fighting fire with fire won't help us. Killing them or even being openly armed while supporting drug reform clouds the issue, although I fully agree with being armed and enjoy psychoactive substances.
We can win by living our lives JUST as we would otherwise; by learning the laws that they'll punish us with, understanding from reading news stories and court opinions what the likelyhood of being convicted is and what the sentences will be, and then by living up to the limits that we can afford ourselves to given our relative risks.
Don't be afraid to live your life freely! At the same time, be wise and make smart decisions so that they can only hurt you as much as they can. Under all circumstances avoid violence or confrontation.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: Humility]
#16447547 - 06/27/12 10:48 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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I completely agree with your sentiments. It still infuriates me that so many people blindly follow the government's propaganda. They get down on all fours and munch the grass without even knowing they are sheep. That in itself is okay by me but when their ignorance affects me through massive fines and incarceration, that is not cool.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: Humility]
#16449389 - 06/28/12 06:35 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Nah, at this point they're failing and flailing.
Like many others have said, it's already over really. The money has won. We just so happen to also be experiencing an unprecedented decline in fiat currency worldwide.
So many games are unravelling.
The only way they could win would be to crack down hard. Things can't remain as they are and there still be a hope or a prayer of the government walking away whole.
Overextension of the military, world history record high deficits, imprisoning of 743 out of every 100,000 Americans (Russia being next highest at 577), state supervision on every 1 out of 32 Americans, corrupt corporate welfare schemes that far outweigh the dangers and budget expenditures of equally unjust, yet infinitely more dramatized poverty welfare schemes
A police state where the laws that are clearly supposed to govern are not being enforced or are being interpreted illegally and corruptly, a place where any of us, even city governors can be awoken at 3:30 in the morning with the sound of battering rams and rifle rounds being fired, to learn moments later that one of our family pets, or perhaps much more tragically, one of our human family members has been injured or even fatally wounded. Where we KNOW that there will be NO repercussions for such actions and that we'll count ourselves lucky to have escape
Don't be afraid to live your life freely! At the same time, be wise and make smart decisions so that they can only hurt you as much as they can. Under all circumstances avoid violence or confrontation.
Your fear oozes from this post. Standing up and opposing this murderous oppressive system takes courage. This idea that you can "live freely and ignore the system" as a strategy is just a cowardly failed strategy. Educate, organize, resist and defend yourself and others being abused by this vile despicable murderous, racist capitalist system.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: dondoodle]
#16449427 - 06/28/12 06:54 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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I was with you until you deprecated the capitalist system. The problems aren't with the capitalist system but with the artificial governmental system.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: All We Perceive]
#16451352 - 06/28/12 04:15 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Just like Obama agreeing with everyone about Marijuana, just so he could get elected. The he goes right back to the FUDge.
I still do not understand why everyone thought Obama was going to be so kind towards cannabis  . He said ONE SENTENCE during his 8 years in the senate about how he "MAY favor" decriminalization. Then, during his campaign, ONE interviewer, with a handheld camera at a rally event, HAPPENED to get the question in, and if you watch the video, he VERY RELUCTANTLY, staggering mid sentence, said that he would let the states govern medical laws. Obama NEVER, EVER made ANY "promises" to ANYONE about cannabis. All that talk was, and still is, nothing but pure fantasy.
(anyone who can prove what I said is wrong, please do so, I would like to know, with evidence, if I am wrong)
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You don't need to be on the internet to know Marijuana laws are ridiculous.
Now THAT is 100% true 
edit- I hope no one thinks that I am DEFENDING Obama by saying this. I am not. I am simply pointing out how stupid people are, even TOYING with the notion that Obama was ever friendly towards cannabis decriminalization in any SUBSTANTIVE way. That point says nothing positive about Obama.
 
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: dondoodle]
#16451512 - 06/28/12 04:41 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Nah, at this point they're failing and flailing.
Like many others have said, it's already over really. The money has won. We just so happen to also be experiencing an unprecedented decline in fiat currency worldwide.
So many games are unravelling.
The only way they could win would be to crack down hard. Things can't remain as they are and there still be a hope or a prayer of the government walking away whole.
Overextension of the military, world history record high deficits, imprisoning of 743 out of every 100,000 Americans (Russia being next highest at 577), state supervision on every 1 out of 32 Americans, corrupt corporate welfare schemes that far outweigh the dangers and budget expenditures of equally unjust, yet infinitely more dramatized poverty welfare schemes
A police state where the laws that are clearly supposed to govern are not being enforced or are being interpreted illegally and corruptly, a place where any of us, even city governors can be awoken at 3:30 in the morning with the sound of battering rams and rifle rounds being fired, to learn moments later that one of our family pets, or perhaps much more tragically, one of our human family members has been injured or even fatally wounded. Where we KNOW that there will be NO repercussions for such actions and that we'll count ourselves lucky to have escape
Don't be afraid to live your life freely! At the same time, be wise and make smart decisions so that they can only hurt you as much as they can. Under all circumstances avoid violence or confrontation.
Your fear oozes from this post. Standing up and opposing this murderous oppressive system takes courage. This idea that you can "live freely and ignore the system" as a strategy is just a cowardly failed strategy. Educate, organize, resist and defend yourself and others being abused by this vile despicable murderous, racist capitalist system.
And you believe the country with the most powerful military in the world is just gonna let a bunch of pothead redneck types threaten them? Even if a million Americans formed a militia and said enough is enough, the government would put them down as 'seditious anti-American radicals' and the masses would be glad they did. By living your life how you chose the government is eventually forced to realize that by fighting their own people, politically, they are doomed to lose their jobs
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#16451558 - 06/28/12 04:48 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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I'm not sure if this is the video you are referring to but he says straight up, "What I'm not going to be doing is using justice department resources to circumvent state laws on [medical marijuana] this issue." There is a flag in the background indicating it wasn't some random reporter who "happened to run into him."
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: All We Perceive]
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No that is NOT the video I was talking about, I have never seen that!
But, to be wholly fair, he says his concern is with home growers / dispensaries, and that is exactly who the feds are "hitting" by raiding dispensaries. He has not tried to call these laws unconstitutional, or take them off of the books in any state. And yea it is back handed; he says he would be for prescribing, but of course that CANNOT happen through "legitimate" channels as cannabis is schedule 1, UNTIL that changes.
So, once again, I must ask; why the fuck did anyone, ever, think he was SUPPORTIVE of medical cannabis? He never said that, did he? No, he did not, and he definitely did not say that in the video above . That video is an example of how he has never given substantive support to medical cannabis.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
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Just like Obama agreeing with everyone about Marijuana, just so he could get elected. The he goes right back to the FUDge.
I still do not understand why everyone thought Obama was going to be so kind towards cannabis . He said ONE SENTENCE during his 8 years in the senate about how he "MAY favor" decriminalization. Then, during his campaign, ONE interviewer, with a handheld camera at a rally event, HAPPENED to get the question in, and if you watch the video, he VERY RELUCTANTLY, staggering mid sentence, said that he would let the states govern medical laws. Obama NEVER, EVER made ANY "promises" to ANYONE about cannabis. All that talk was, and still is, nothing but pure fantasy.
(anyone who can prove what I said is wrong, please do so, I would like to know, with evidence, if I am wrong)
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You don't need to be on the internet to know Marijuana laws are ridiculous.
Now THAT is 100% true
edit- I hope no one thinks that I am DEFENDING Obama by saying this. I am not. I am simply pointing out how stupid people are, even TOYING with the notion that Obama was ever friendly towards cannabis decriminalization in any SUBSTANTIVE way. That point says nothing positive about Obama.
It was the way he flat-out admitted doing weed and coke back in his youth. Made it seem like the political scene had changed, or would change with him.
Also that whole "Hope" thing.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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You should not have extrapolated "hope" to mean support for any single issue  . That is your bad dude~
And so what if he admitted doing it in the past? You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
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No that is NOT the video I was talking about, I have never seen that!
But, to be wholly fair, he says his concern is with home growers / dispensaries, and that is exactly who the feds are "hitting" by raiding dispensaries. He has not tried to call these laws unconstitutional, or take them off of the books in any state. And yea it is back handed; he says he would be for prescribing, but of course that CANNOT happen through "legitimate" channels as cannabis is schedule 1, UNTIL that changes.
So, once again, I must ask; why the fuck did anyone, ever, think he was SUPPORTIVE of medical cannabis? He never said that, did he? No, he did not, and he definitely did not say that in the video above .
Yeah, I have to agree with you to some extent. Still, what did he think would happen? That the wal-greens pharmacy would start selling it? All the same, DOJ is shutting down dispensaries, not because they are overtly concerned with the open door policy of dispensaries, but because they are "close to schools." This seems much more contrary to what Obama said given that schools is a state issue.
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You should not have extrapolated "hope" to mean support for any single issue . That is your bad dude~
And so what if he admitted doing it in the past? You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
You asked why there was a popular conception out there, I gave an answer. Don't get your jimmies all rustled.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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No that is NOT the video I was talking about, I have never seen that!
But, to be wholly fair, he says his concern is with home growers / dispensaries, and that is exactly who the feds are "hitting" by raiding dispensaries. He has not tried to call these laws unconstitutional, or take them off of the books in any state. And yea it is back handed; he says he would be for prescribing, but of course that CANNOT happen through "legitimate" channels as cannabis is schedule 1, UNTIL that changes.
So, once again, I must ask; why the fuck did anyone, ever, think he was SUPPORTIVE of medical cannabis? He never said that, did he? No, he did not, and he definitely did not say that in the video above .
Yeah, I have to agree with you to some extent. Still, what did he think would happen? That the wal-greens pharmacy would start selling it? All the same, DOJ is shutting down dispensaries, not because they are overtly concerned with the open door policy of dispensaries, but because they are "close to schools." This seems much more contrary to what Obama said given that schools is a state issue.
What did he think would happen? Probably that nothing would change, and he would be allowed to continue to do the same shit Bush did, except changing the verbiage. What he did in that video you posted was very skillfully give NO answer to the question. The man knows how to speak!
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You should not have extrapolated "hope" to mean support for any single issue . That is your bad dude~
And so what if he admitted doing it in the past? You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
You asked why there was a popular conception out there, I gave an answer. Don't get your jimmies all rustled.
I did not mean to sound angry at all, sorry . I am just trying to point to those who supported Obama (like me, but I understand this) that the "hope/change" nonsense was bullshit FROM DAY ONE. NO ONE should have EVER bought that, it was a political ploy! I still think he is a much better president than, say, GW Bush Jr, and also much more sane than Romney...but this is not the first time in History a president has pulled a move such as this~
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"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#16452029 - 06/28/12 06:05 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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In fact, its a political norm. Sadly  always has been and probably always will~
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Nothing I say or do is factual; every single thing I write is a work of fiction. Got no idea what I'm talking about here~
"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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All We Perceive
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#16452033 - 06/28/12 06:06 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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You should not have extrapolated "hope" to mean support for any single issue . That is your bad dude~
And so what if he admitted doing it in the past? You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
Then are we to interpret "hope" as the amorphous non-entity that it was? It does not logically follow that because someone does drugs, they also support drug legalization. For example, someone could think that legalizing LSD would be a bad idea due to the risk of awakening underlying psychological dispositions. I don't personally believe this, but it's a reasonable view.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: All We Perceive]
#16452064 - 06/28/12 06:10 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yup.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16452097 - 06/28/12 06:14 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah. I'm greatly disappointed with how things are turning out in general. Oh well. Such is life. 
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: All We Perceive]
#16452105 - 06/28/12 06:15 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Then are we to interpret "hope" as the amorphous non-entity that it was?
Absolutely.
Think about what was going on. Bush jr stole the election away in 2000 and then won 4 more years after his first term. Those of us who LOATHED GW Bush (like myself) REALLY wanted a "change", some "hope" that our president would not act like some rouge criminal on the stage of world politics. He knew exactly what buttons to press. If you believed that line, you got caught hook, line, and sinker. BUT, he is not the monster that Bush was, nor the monster I believe Romney would prove to be. I STILL am VERY VERY VERY happy, x1000000000, that Obama is our president.
For ME, personally, I did not vote for him because I thought the country was going to change overnight. I voted for him because I thought Mccain and Palin would be a death sentence for our country, especially after the preceding 8 years of our country looking like an amalgamation of hick ass country farmers. Me nor the world could stand us.
I do think cannabis will be legalized one day, but that push is going to have to come from OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AMONGST OUR POPULACE, before ANYTHING "real" happens. I also think that we are on our way there, right now 
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Nothing I say or do is factual; every single thing I write is a work of fiction. Got no idea what I'm talking about here~
"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: All We Perceive]
#16452139 - 06/28/12 06:21 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah. I'm greatly disappointed with how things are turning out in general. Oh well. Such is life.
Don't be. As far as cannabis goes, we are winning. Support grows and grows. The fallacies used by the federal government look more and more ridiculous to more and more people everyday. Before you know it, more and more politicians will jump on the bandwagon, aside from the tokin supporters we have represented in our government (coughcough Ron Paul / Barney Frank coughcough). Luckily we have TRUTH on our side.
What needs to happen is politicians need to be FORCED to see it this way; I can give my support to the lobbying powers that keep cannabis illegal, or I can get THE VOTES OF MY CONSTITUENTS. THEN, it will change~
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Nothing I say or do is factual; every single thing I write is a work of fiction. Got no idea what I'm talking about here~
"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: dondoodle]
#16452488 - 06/28/12 07:33 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Your fear oozes from this post. Standing up and opposing this murderous oppressive system takes courage. This idea that you can "live freely and ignore the system" as a strategy is just a cowardly failed strategy. Educate, organize, resist and defend yourself and others being abused by this vile despicable murderous, racist capitalist system.
Dondoodle - I am not afraid. I am wary and cautious, but I am not afraid.
I don't support violence or coercion or even confrontation against corrupt government workers hurting people because as I said, it cloud the issue.
If the state are the only forces using violence, it makes it THAT much easier for people to understand that what we're doing by living freely isn't hurting anyone. If they try to arrest us or what have you, and we arm up and kill one or two, cause a standoff and then get killed ourselves, that does nothing but hurt the movement and add fuel to the "they're all nutjobs" fire.
As All We Perceive mentioned, I am not against capitalism. People have to come to understand that there is VERY LITTLE "capitalism" going on in the United states. Between the regulation, taxation, massive corporate welfare and ties drawn between government and business, what we have now most accurately represents a socialist-fascist system.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#16452536 - 06/28/12 07:46 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
Surely such a creature cannot exist!
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
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LongStrangeTrip said:
You have never heard of a Hypocritical POLITICIAN?!?!
Surely such a creature cannot exist!
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Re: ‘Drug War’ Not Working So Well Thanks to Internet Video and Alternative Media [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16453636 - 06/28/12 11:57 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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^^....there is no way that movie is real.
Omg....its real (googled)
Now I really want to
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Nothing I say or do is factual; every single thing I write is a work of fiction. Got no idea what I'm talking about here~
"Once in awhile, you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right"~ (Grateful Dead)
"o puer, qui omnia nomini debes"; "You, boy, who owe's everything to a name"~ Mark Anthony
"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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