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 Switching from BRF to WBS tek 
#16440196 - 06/26/12 01:37 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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As my first official post here I would like to say "Hello"!
Now to my topic. I have never grown any kind of mushrooms prior to this experience. Upon doing some research it seemed as if you should start with the BRF TEK. I didnt have a PC so I tried to steam sterilize my jars. I then injected the 10 jars with my two cultures, amazons and treasure coasts. With the jars ready to start forming the mycelium I made a day by day log of the activity. Today is day 20 for this project. I have 3 jars with some colonization and 6 without(one molded). I am going to just let them all go and see what happens. All of the colonizing jars are the tc strain. I understand I may have put my jars into some harmful conditions such as too high of temperature when adding the spores, and adding a heat pad and temps nearing 95 in the bin they are in. So I decided to retry and do them more spec to tek.
I now have a pc. I cleaned my wild bird seed and PC'd it for 60 min at 15psi. waited 12 hours and injected a Golden Teacher strain into the jars and today is the start of day 1!
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 Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16440321 - 06/26/12 02:04 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Welcome to shroomery!
First off let me say that i am like right behind u...i have knocked up 10 glasses of brf on may 16th...5 with GT and 5 with Z-Strain....They no contams so far and all but 2 are 100%...i am about to mix with bulk coir/verm. However i have recently realized that the 5 glasses i have only = 2.5 quarts which would make my ratio very low for doing bulk...so i have 2 choices i could put all 10 GT and Z into one monotub and hope for big fruits or i can do 2 seperate test grows with a low spawn ratio. Havent quite decided yet
In the mean time i have been reading on how easy WBS is so i bought a 20lbs bag of it last night.
23 Quuart Pressure is next on the list.
Did u use Gypsum in ur mix?
Good Luck and feel free to check out my grow, there are links in my sig... sorry to hear about your first contams.
EDIT: also a heating pad isnt needed...this was my mistake too.....leave them on a shelf at room temp getting ambient/indirect light
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I did not use gypsum for either batch. For the WBS I just followed DOC's WBS TEK to a "T'. link here: http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16440644 - 06/26/12 03:18 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Also I am not an expert what-so-ever, but I would advise not to just mix the colonized and uncolonized jars into bulk. I see it as you are only as good as your weakest link... I plan to let my three remaining cakes run their course, Dunk, and place in fruiting chamber, count my losses and concentrate on the new TEK I switched to. 
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16440653 - 06/26/12 03:20 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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o im definatley waiting for 100% on all of them...i was talking about putting both strains in one tub once colonized
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WBS: So seven days have passed and some good signs of growth are appearing. I have them sitting on a shelf now which stays about 81 degrees all the time. Hopfully in a week or so I can add them to my coir/verm.
BRF:
Very little signs of growth in my three remaining BRF jars. I moved them near the WBS jars last night for a better climate. At most a quarter of an inch has grown out.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16475443 - 07/03/12 04:31 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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what teks are you following for the entire thing?
WBS tek
substrate tek
and monotub tek
any chance you could link me to em
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: PowerOfOne]
#16475721 - 07/03/12 05:30 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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All in my signature, my friend.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Project]
#16475732 - 07/03/12 05:32 PM (10 months, 14 days ago) |
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If you don't want to do horse manure, which is very easy and effective by the way, then just do a search for the 50/50 coir tek. There are lots of bulk recipies.
The bullet point ideas are to
1.) create jars of spawn (WBS) and let them colonize
2.) prep your bulk substrate (horse manure, coir, or whatever)
3.) mix your spawn with your bulk in your monotub or tray or whatever and then let that colonize and consolidate
4.) introduce your tub or tray into fruiting conditions
That's pretty much the idea.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Project]
#16485182 - 07/05/12 02:39 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Yep!! like project said!! I like the WBS tek way better. It just seem like they are already more successful than my BRF TEK.
Here Are my favorite links to the tek's I am using.
- http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek
- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595/fpart/1/vc/1
UPDATE on the project!
My WBS is looking phenomenal. Great thick spots of mycellium are growing uniformly throughout the jars. Today I gave the jars a shake to get everything mixed up well.
And for my BRF jars that are still going:
The one jar that was the closest to being fully colonized had some pinning around the bottom of my jar yesterday(see pics). This was to be expected but i was not expecting it this soon. When I got up today the pins had over doubled in size. What is my best option? I am planning on letting it finish colonizing, give it a couple extra days to consolidate, dunk it and throw it into the FC. good plan?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16485220 - 07/05/12 02:50 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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More then likely those pins won't make it, but yes, wait until your cake has finished colonization.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16485269 - 07/05/12 03:03 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Ok good!! but IF the pins do decide to stay what should I do with them for fruiting? pull them off before the dunk or leave them?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16485351 - 07/05/12 03:19 PM (10 months, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Leave them.
This ^^ if the mushies do survive up until you're ready to dunk, then try and be gentle with your cakes throughout and if you get lucky you may have a couple mushies already on their way.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16499132 - 07/08/12 01:29 PM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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So I got a chance to make this gem yesterday.
 It didnt really cost anything and all the equipment i.e. the cardboard , gloves, and 4 mil bags came from my work new.
I also decided to say piss on my BRF cakes. I am dunking the one fully colonized cake now and I noted a really sour smell out of the other two jars I had for this. WBS still going strong. I am planning a larger grow in bags. I plan to spawn form my WBS jars. I will use my new glove box to try to colonize new WBS jars from the colonies with the bad smell. I figure the smell is coming from the soured verm and flour. So I plan on washing the verm off of what is colonized and cutting a section out to colonize a new WBS jar. My best reasoning is to retain spawn of this strain. Plus its fun watching and learning how this fungi works(or doesn't work in some cases)
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16499224 - 07/08/12 01:50 PM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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Here is how she stands. 34 hour dunk and roll. Pins still look in tact and not too discolored. The largest one has a very light blue hue but I hope it will be fine.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16499443 - 07/08/12 02:41 PM (10 months, 9 days ago) |
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If it smells sour, then chuck it, that is contamination.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16504091 - 07/09/12 03:47 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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The two that smelled sour were chucked. I will just make a spore print from from the results of the remaining cake.
Update On the WBS.
 My Jars are booming with growth. Maybe tonight I will make my bulk coir/verm and inoculate tomorrow morning.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16504182 - 07/09/12 04:12 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Also My pins looked fine tis morning. I sprayed them and fanned them and they are starting to shrivel a little. What did i do wrong?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16504532 - 07/09/12 05:34 PM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Pictures?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16507913 - 07/10/12 05:04 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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this is what it looks like now.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16507919 - 07/10/12 05:10 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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man you need to pull those dark ones off..
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Are they no good then? It seems from what I have read I am too wet. But my cake seems and feels dry... When fanning do I fan all of the mist off the cake and walls of chamber?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16507945 - 07/10/12 05:28 AM (10 months, 8 days ago) |
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Yeah those black ones are abhorts, it's not a big deal if you leave them for a short time, but you want to remove them before they start rotting. Try and keep the verm casing on your cakes semi damp, you want to cause evaporation from the surface of your cakes, which induces pinning. This is the reason before your cakes pin, you mist and fan much more heavily, but when your cakes start fruiting, you mist less but more frequently, and fan.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16514408 - 07/11/12 03:31 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I have been spraying and fanning like crazy. How should the cake feel to the touch? It feels dry to the touch before I spray and the very bottom is moist... how I imagine the wrest of the cake should feel. What are peoples opinions? Also I made my coir TEK monotub. It is bagged and I will post Pictures once
I induce FAE and light.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16515250 - 07/11/12 06:31 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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It sould feel damp, that is the reason you case it with verm after you dunk, so the verm holds water and keeps the cake semi moist. It provides a sorta microclimate to induce pinning as it evaporates.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16515280 - 07/11/12 06:37 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Should I add another verm layer?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16515297 - 07/11/12 06:40 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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If your verm layer is no longer there, then I would. Are you using a sgfc? If so are you running a fan or have and current of air in the room?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16515613 - 07/11/12 07:49 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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Thats typical of mushrooms that got cold or wet shocked.. like after putting a cake back in the fridge (with a mushroom on it) and then pulling it out after a few days.. could be infrequent fresh air exchange too not sure.. ive seen that similar thing before but only on cakes i dunked for like 2-3 days.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: boneynerd]
#16517000 - 07/11/12 11:57 PM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I just have it in a box lined with a bag with verm and some hydroballs. I didn't feel the need to devote a big FC for the only cake I have.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16517066 - 07/12/12 12:09 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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I did not pit the cakes in the fridge for the soak. They couldn't have been below 72f at any point in their life. Soak was for about 34 hours. I feel i may have some infrequent air exchange.What would be a good spray/fan cycle? Should I have my fan going all the time or just a few minutes to evaporate the water droplets?
This is how I have been spraying and fanning. from 12:00 pm-3:00 I spray my mushrooms about 4-6 times(fan running this whole time. Light goes off. I get home from work at 12:30 am and spray another 5-6 times until 4:00 and light goes on.(usually a little less light)
I feel as if the excess fanning might be my demise at the same time I need adequate air exchange.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16517432 - 07/12/12 01:17 AM (10 months, 6 days ago) |
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First off don't use a fan, fans collect gunk which you spray onto the cakes. Only dunk your cakes for 24 hours, that is long enough to hydrate them. If you are mid flush and cakes starts drying, place it in a plate of water for 6 hours. Only fan with the lid of your FC. Spray until the verm on your cakes appears moist before your flush, and then fan for about two minutes. Keep a 12/12 cycle with your lighting with a 6500k light. After your cake begins pinning, mist less but more frequently, I like to fan about every two hours while I'm home and awake (that is contstantly, before and after pinning is triggered). It takes some practice to get the right cycle with your cakes. If you can't keep FAE properly, I'd suggest using a fan (on it's lowest setting) pointing at an indirect wall to keep air slightly moving in the room, if you cannot be home to fan often.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16519925 - 07/12/12 03:20 PM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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I will set my cake on a plate tonight then. I am confused on this part though: "Spray until the verm on your cakes appears moist before your flush, and then fan for about two minutes." What do you mean before I flush?
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16520224 - 07/12/12 04:04 PM (10 months, 5 days ago) |
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Flush is when your cakes goes into reproductive mode, where is sprouts a bunch of pins. The reason you fan heavily is to cause evaporation from the cake, which is a trigger for the cake to pin.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16541669 - 07/16/12 10:58 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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BRF cake is still fairly dormant.I added some verm, now I am just waiting it out.
I checked my WBS monotub today for a 5 day check. Looks good!
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16541966 - 07/16/12 11:42 PM (10 months, 1 day ago) |
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did u open it up before 100% to check it? openning a monotub b4 100% colonization leads to contaminations, never introduce FAE(Fresh Air Exchange) until 100%...
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Quote:
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did u open it up before 100% to check it? openning a monotub b4 100% colonization leads to contaminations, never introduce FAE(Fresh Air Exchange) until 100%...
Never peek.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: Mugnath]
#16546182 - 07/17/12 08:15 PM (10 months, 16 hours ago) |
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Ooops! I Hope it will stay contaminant free! My cake has begun to pin. I resolved my dry cake issue by piling some verm on the lower half of the sides and I am keeping a thick patch on top also.
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Re: Switching from BRF to WBS tek [Re: slick20]
#16568455 - 07/22/12 03:50 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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So my cake finally pinned off and started taking off. I have been noting how fat and full the stems are up until today....
The stems turned very hollow and light looking. I know this can be common, but it seems like this will definitely reduce overall growth. if I had to gather an assumption I would say my FC could be too wet. However When I searched about this it seemed as if rapid temp fluctuation (of extremes which could not have really happened and doesn't seem that likely)
and LOW humidity which does not seem to factor as my FC is very moist.
....Or am I just worrying too much? I still see new pins have formed and more growth on a lot of the smaller mushies.
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