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So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster.
#16438841 - 06/26/12 02:40 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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There is no such thing as mystical super powers you can use to effect the material world, but there are ones that can affect it. I decided to determine for myself if there could be such a thing, and I found from that experience that there wasn't any evidence of any super powers anywhere! That is because they are only within.
We make our reality, what those spiritual guys are doing is simply becoming aware and utilizing the autonomous system and calling is different things!
Anyway thought I'd let you guys tell me I told you so 
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439442 - 06/26/12 09:01 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: There is no such thing as mystical super powers you can use to effect the material world, but there are ones that can affect it. I decided to determine for myself if there could be such a thing, and I found from that experience that there wasn't any evidence of any super powers anywhere! That is because they are only within.
We make our reality, what those spiritual guys are doing is simply becoming aware and utilizing the autonomous system and calling is different things!
Anyway thought I'd let you guys tell me I told you so 

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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16439473 - 06/26/12 09:20 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I have seen what can maybe be called a super power (albeit a shit one). I knew people that can roll 3-5 die of different colours and tell you beforehand what number each colour will come up as. They start by rolling the dice repeatedly until they sort of warm up without calling anything, then they start calling it getting exactly what they call around 80+% for 3 dice and similarly abnormal amounts for higher numbers. This can be repeated for hours if drunk and stoned enough. Smoking weed and opium according to these people gets you more in tune with the dice and helps a lot but is not necessary. They also have great luck in dice games in general. All of their rolls are legit rolls and not someone putting effort on a physical level into making the die turn up that way, nor are there loaded die involved.
Don't know if that really counts but it's the closest thing I can think of to one. After meeting them I have tried to do these sorts of things and appear to have increased my luck in general dice games, but not nearly to their level and I can not call the die by their colour with more than 2 consistently, sometimes I get a decent number in a row with 3, but nothing amazing... and it's bound to happen eventually so I think that's just luck for me 
Dice and cards are funky things like that - you can feel something in them that tells you, I swear... mine's just not fine-tuned at all.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Infinitys Minute]
#16439509 - 06/26/12 09:37 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yah , I don't believe you unless it is documented . . source?
Nothing John Chang does can't be explained. Sodium ignites with water, they have portable zapper devices that could be concealed. He pretends that catching an air rifle pellet is a big deal . . . The table already could have had a hole under the table, that's why he went throguh the bottom of it. The other examples of him pushing chopsticks in wood, the wood is painted over the holes.
The only magic is within, and it is utilizing awareness to understand the autonomous system, imho. I have figured out things like raising my body temperature to mass producing tcells.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439516 - 06/26/12 09:41 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Watching John Chang perform isn't too much different then watching a street magician on the strip in Vegas imo.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Infinitys Minute] 1
#16439519 - 06/26/12 09:42 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Infinitys Minute said: I have seen what can maybe be called a super power (albeit a shit one). I knew people that can roll 3-5 die of different colours and tell you beforehand what number each colour will come up as. They start by rolling the dice repeatedly until they sort of warm up without calling anything, then they start calling it getting exactly what they call around 80+% for 3 dice and similarly abnormal amounts for higher numbers. This can be repeated for hours if drunk and stoned enough. Smoking weed and opium according to these people gets you more in tune with the dice and helps a lot but is not necessary. They also have great luck in dice games in general. All of their rolls are legit rolls and not someone putting effort on a physical level into making the die turn up that way, nor are there loaded die involved.
Don't know if that really counts but it's the closest thing I can think of to one. After meeting them I have tried to do these sorts of things and appear to have increased my luck in general dice games, but not nearly to their level and I can not call the die by their colour with more than 2 consistently, sometimes I get a decent number in a row with 3, but nothing amazing... and it's bound to happen eventually so I think that's just luck for me 
Dice and cards are funky things like that - you can feel something in them that tells you, I swear... mine's just not fine-tuned at all.
Oh OC or Diploid where are you.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix] 1
#16439522 - 06/26/12 09:43 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: Watching John Chang perform isn't too much different then watching a street magician on the strip in Vegas imo.
Well good on you dude. Most people aren't honest enough to learn.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Infinitys Minute]
#16439528 - 06/26/12 09:45 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Infinitys Minute said: I have seen what can maybe be called a super power (albeit a shit one). I knew people that can roll 3-5 die of different colours and tell you beforehand what number each colour will come up as. They start by rolling the dice repeatedly until they sort of warm up without calling anything, then they start calling it getting exactly what they call around 80+% for 3 dice and similarly abnormal amounts for higher numbers. This can be repeated for hours if drunk and stoned enough. Smoking weed and opium according to these people gets you more in tune with the dice and helps a lot but is not necessary. They also have great luck in dice games in general. All of their rolls are legit rolls and not someone putting effort on a physical level into making the die turn up that way, nor are there loaded die involved.
Don't know if that really counts but it's the closest thing I can think of to one. After meeting them I have tried to do these sorts of things and appear to have increased my luck in general dice games, but not nearly to their level and I can not call the die by their colour with more than 2 consistently, sometimes I get a decent number in a row with 3, but nothing amazing... and it's bound to happen eventually so I think that's just luck for me 
Dice and cards are funky things like that - you can feel something in them that tells you, I swear... mine's just not fine-tuned at all.
I used to full on be able to do that with dice. Cards is similar when my mojo is good I am rewarded. When my mojo is bad I am typically not rewarded. I mean sure playing right, pot odds, implied odds, etc help. But really you can flat make it happen if you get into it I swear.
Here's an example. Week before last I go in to play and feeling great thinking I win $300+ tonight. Hit four of a kind four times that night. Also hit big runner pot on a blind raise straddle under the gun to get everyone in $16 up front then keep piling on. And I NEVER do that in past 2 years. The last time I had hit four of a kind in there was three months ago. The cards had gotten flat the mojo was gone. But it was ME! Obviously.
Anyway you gotta believe in your luck and making good things happen at the table for it to happen. If you are a skeptic it won't happen. And the worst is for someone like me who CAN make either good or bad happen to think I will get a bad result going in is
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Icelander]
#16439551 - 06/26/12 09:56 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: Watching John Chang perform isn't too much different then watching a street magician on the strip in Vegas imo.
Well good on you dude. Most people aren't honest enough to learn. 
Well if I took your word for it, then I would still be just believing someone else :P
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16439554 - 06/26/12 09:57 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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How you know it isn't just a coincidence when you do good?
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439558 - 06/26/12 10:00 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: Watching John Chang perform isn't too much different then watching a street magician on the strip in Vegas imo.
Well good on you dude. Most people aren't honest enough to learn. 
Well if I took your word for it, then I would still be just believing someone else :P
thanks.
of course, I don't even take my word on anything anymore.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Icelander]
#16439560 - 06/26/12 10:01 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Lol, It's good to be able to look back on ignorance imo 
To look back on ignorance, a misconception would have to be revealed.
Like, the waves of energy you feel course through your entire body, is stimulating oxytocin release. You can develope awareness of the pituitary gland to stimulate it. Same thing can happen during prayer. People think it's mystical because they don't work to understand it, and instead accept beliefs built around it.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439573 - 06/26/12 10:11 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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bingo! It's amazing how much all of humanity tends toward this. Even the best do it to some degree.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: Icelander]
#16439580 - 06/26/12 10:17 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I think a big cause for it is Death anxiety.
People don't want to have to die. Pretty much all religions promise a sort of immortality I think. So thes belief structures are created to prey on fears. Yet pragmatically, is it good or bad?
Like say for instance, a holistic healer convinces you to heal yourself with the placebo effect. He doesn't really have any super powers yet there may have been no effect had you not had an open mind in that regard.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439594 - 06/26/12 10:28 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Here is some documented research on the oxytocin effect:
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An Interview with Kerstin Uväs-Moberg, M.D., Ph. D
If you suffer from stress, high blood pressure, elevated cortisol in the blood, or other stress-related symptoms, you will be interested in oxytocin—a hormone which Dr. Kerstin Uväs-Moberg calls the calm and connection hormone.
How can you bring greater calm and connection into your life and the life of your children?
Kerstin Uväs-Moberg, M.D., Ph. D, author of The Oxytocin Factor, is a recognized world authority on oxytocin. Her research took place at the famed Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in Uppsala, where she is Professor of Physiology. Influential in obstetrics, psychology, pediatrics, child development, physical therapy and other fields, Dr. Uväs-Moberg has authored over four hundred scientific papers and lectures widely in Europe and the USA.
1. In your book, you state, “There are many scientific conferences on the topics of stress and pain, but very few conferences deal with calm, rest, and wellbeing.” What does oxytocin have to do with calm, rest, and wellbeing?
Dr. Uväs-Moberg: Oxytocin, which was first noticed during birth labor and in nursing mothers in 1906, acts as both a hormone and a neuropeptide. It triggers a complex series of reactions that enhance your body’s relaxation and calmness. This is important in two ways. The first (1) is the immediate health benefit of lowering stress-related symptoms and the second (2) is that repeated dosages of oxytocin seem to convert the immediate benefit into a long-lasting effect. In our studies, animals who received as little as one dose per day for 5 days needed little additional oxytocin to stay calm for up to 3 weeks. This suggests that oxytocin can offer stressed human beings a way to open up new pathways, to help them relax and restore calm immediately and across long term situations. I stress oxytocin’s ability to grow or develop people’s relaxation and restoration capacity. (read more:)http://lifesciencefoundation.org/cmoxtyocin.html
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439613 - 06/26/12 10:42 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: I think a big cause for it is Death anxiety.
People don't want to have to die. Pretty much all religions promise a sort of immortality I think. So thes belief structures are created to prey on fears. Yet pragmatically, is it good or bad?
Like say for instance, a holistic healer convinces you to heal yourself with the placebo effect. He doesn't really have any super powers yet there may have been no effect had you not had an open mind in that regard.
You're preaching to the Quire here.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439617 - 06/26/12 10:44 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: Here is some documented research on the oxytocin effect:
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An Interview with Kerstin Uväs-Moberg, M.D., Ph. D
If you suffer from stress, high blood pressure, elevated cortisol in the blood, or other stress-related symptoms, you will be interested in oxytocin—a hormone which Dr. Kerstin Uväs-Moberg calls the calm and connection hormone.
How can you bring greater calm and connection into your life and the life of your children?
Kerstin Uväs-Moberg, M.D., Ph. D, author of The Oxytocin Factor, is a recognized world authority on oxytocin. Her research took place at the famed Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences in Uppsala, where she is Professor of Physiology. Influential in obstetrics, psychology, pediatrics, child development, physical therapy and other fields, Dr. Uväs-Moberg has authored over four hundred scientific papers and lectures widely in Europe and the USA.
1. In your book, you state, “There are many scientific conferences on the topics of stress and pain, but very few conferences deal with calm, rest, and wellbeing.” What does oxytocin have to do with calm, rest, and wellbeing?
Dr. Uväs-Moberg: Oxytocin, which was first noticed during birth labor and in nursing mothers in 1906, acts as both a hormone and a neuropeptide. It triggers a complex series of reactions that enhance your body’s relaxation and calmness. This is important in two ways. The first (1) is the immediate health benefit of lowering stress-related symptoms and the second (2) is that repeated dosages of oxytocin seem to convert the immediate benefit into a long-lasting effect. In our studies, animals who received as little as one dose per day for 5 days needed little additional oxytocin to stay calm for up to 3 weeks. This suggests that oxytocin can offer stressed human beings a way to open up new pathways, to help them relax and restore calm immediately and across long term situations. I stress oxytocin’s ability to grow or develop people’s relaxation and restoration capacity. (read more:)http://lifesciencefoundation.org/cmoxtyocin.html
I'll take a dozen.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: teknix]
#16439624 - 06/26/12 10:48 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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teknix said: How you know it isn't just a coincidence when you do good?
You know when you are controlling the dice when you can call out a specific double and hit it when you need it. I used to be able to do that quite often. Seriously though I don't need some skeptic asking me about coincidence. You will never have the ability we are talking about in part because you are a skeptic. No offense of course.
As for the cards, I am not to the same level nowhere near what I used to do at dice. But if anyone at that card table can affect the outcome or predict it that would be me. One of the dealers there is a great one to channel that energy through to impact results positively and I have started using that with good result. The proof is in the pudding in terms of gambling and results. I have played games thousands of games and I have seen it. Backgammon and craps mostly but cards some.
As for James Randi who gives a crap. I hate skeptics anyway regardless of the "prize" they profess to offer (scam scam scam).
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16439670 - 06/26/12 11:15 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Yeah the guy who complains about having to rent houses doesn't care about a free million bucks.
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Re: So you were right John Chang is a hoaxster. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#16439682 - 06/26/12 11:19 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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I used to be able to do that quite often. 
Yeah, sure. 
And yet you're not a millionaire even though you could have won the JREF million dollar prize on a cakewalk. Or gotten rich off the casino for that matter if you could do this.
You wouldn't even have to do it "quite often". Just more often than random chance. But somehow instead of getting rich, you prefer to post on Shroomery and not get rich. Splain me this cuz me no get it.
BTW, I offer my standard invitation to anyone in this thread. I'll pay all your expenses and put you up in a foofy South Beach ocean view hotel room when you come down here to take the JREF formal test. I'll even drive you around while you're here. And when you win the prize, I'll be your first groupie.
Note to audience: Not one single taker will step up. They'll just tell us about what they can do without actually doing it.
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