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Jaegar said:
I am wondering where the connection between spiritual and drugs is.

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Diploid said:
I'd like to know what some of you think about using mushrooms on a spiritual level in the context of marriage and family

Be aware that if you get caught, not only will you spend years in prison with people convicted of murder and rape (these are equally heinous crimes as eating a mushroom), but your family will be at an end, your children removed to protective services and foster care, and your career will be over with a felony conviction that will make finding even a janitor job difficult.

And the odds of you getting caught go up with the number of people involved in your drug use. Family, especially talkative kids, and drugs are a recipe for disaster.

My advice: if you're doing to have kids, make them your priority. They don't mix with serious felony-level drugs (which mushrooms and acid are). I'm not talking right and wrong here, I'm talking realistic legal and not legal. Your kids deserve more security than a drug using father who might get caught at any time and tear the family apart.

This is one big reason why I don't have kids. Drugs are a big part of my life and I don't feel it's possible or fair to make a commitment to both kids and drugs at the same time in our current culture.

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I agree with this. I think it's fucked, that as he said, in 2012, people who use mushrooms can still be thrown in jail with rapists and murderers. But it's true, you gotta face the facts, and consider if it's worth it, for you. Most of the times, though, I'd say it isn't. I also don't plan on having kids. Drugs aren't a reason for that though - who knows if I'll still be burning or taking acid 5-10 years down the line (though, I suspect I will), my reasons are more monetary and freedom based. Kids are a fucking anchor and a drain on your money. I wanna enjoy myself and do everything I want to do before I ever even CONSIDER having kids. Honestly, the earliest I could see myself having a kid is like 35 - and that's old. I'd be 53 at the kid's high school graduation. So, in all honesty, it probably won't happen. Family name dies with me

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How do some of you feel from the social standpoint that it is unacceptable and irresponsible? Besides of course from all your friends that do drugs too. Normally it isn't something you post on facebook, or even talk seriously of amongst educated adults. As an adult, with a family to care for, and certain values that are in place (I don't applaud or encourage recreational drug use), I am having a difficult time finding peace within myself, particularly when I set time aside to "do my own thing." It is not something most cultures will have anything to do with. I respect the culture wherein which I live, and it is my personal belief that, to be most beneficial, the rules of one's culture should be followed (besides Ghandi and Dr. King and their causes, for example). I for one certainly enjoy the benefits of my own culture and government. At the same time, I feel mushrooms are among the most unique, powerful, and mysterious things I have encountered, something I, particularly having come from a rich and tremendously real Christian background, wish to explore and discover more of. I don't doubt most people on the shroomery are into drugs recreationally, are kids, or young adults, have little respect for authority, little appreciation for culture, have little responsibility, and are still submerged in either the party scene, one that involves a social system that boasts their drug use, or another that involves a lot of smoking pot. Maybe I am being critical, but I can no longer relate to this position anymore. I would like to hear from hard working adults with families, cultural and spiritual values, who find themselves drawn to magic mushrooms for far more than the fun of kinking around with the body's mechanics and rebellion, but feel it is something along the lines of sacred or unimaginably numinous.

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With regards to rules, they don't appear to be very important to you, but to me they are. Sure I have seen through my cultural programming, as you say, but on the other hand, I appreciate all that has come through my own heritage and culture. I must say I enjoy many comforts and pleasures without all the necessary work. I appreciate the clothes I do not have to make, the house and vehicle I did not build, the electricity I did not produce, so on and so forth. Also, the more one understands and respects culture, the more kindness they will receive from those in that culture, and the more influence they will have as well. If you are rebellious, that is just a sub-culture you are paying homage to. As much as you like, you will never escape--it's important to respect and appreciate culture on many levels, and not hate it, though there are other things you are free to dislike and defy. That balance is up to you.

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With regards to rules, they don't appear to be very important to you, but to me they are. Sure I have seen through my cultural programming, as you say, but on the other hand, I appreciate all that has come through my own heritage and culture. I must say I enjoy many comforts and pleasures without all the necessary work. I appreciate the clothes I do not have to make, the house and vehicle I did not build, the electricity I did not produce, so on and so forth. Also, the more one understands and respects culture, the more kindness they will receive from those in that culture, and the more influence they will have as well. If you are rebellious, that is just a sub-culture you are paying homage to. As much as you like, you will never escape--it's important to respect and appreciate culture on many levels, and not hate it, though there are other things you are free to dislike and defy. That balance is up to you.

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I respect the rules of nature because they are real.  The rules of man are arbitrary, artificial and often don't make sense.  My husband and I have been getting involved in homesteading.  We raise chickens, turkeys, rabbits, goats and have 2 large gardens.  Everything is organic at our place.  We cook from scratch 5 or 6 nights a week.  We don't make our own clothes but we often buy from thrift stores or yard sales.  In the winter we heat with a woodburning stove using the wood from our trees.  In the summer we use a few window unit air conditioners.  My husband built this place with his own hands, including the 2 barns.  We drive vehicles with well over 100,000 miles.  We are not some spoiled yuppie couple with every modern convenience.

Yet, you're going to tell me that YOU are more in touch with the sacredness of nature than me?  I doubt it.  You write very eloquently; obviously you are very intelligent.  That doesn't make you superior to me, nor does it give you the right to lord yourself over me or anyone else.  Get over yourself.

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If such a place were found, it might be accidentally found by someone having a good time rafting the jungle's rivers, but once it is found, men who take such things more seriously will be called for. You can surf on the waves of California and have fun, "HippieChick", it's for everyone, but Pipeline on the North Shore is not. Surf that, and you may die.

The above statement, I mean really there is no need to explain by as you seem at such a loss...
These men that take such things seriously(I'm assuming you mean a class of men such as yourself out of sheer context clues) -- these men are superior in that " they " are called to handle such things?
Haha come on. Idk where exactly you get that flamboyant idea but who the hell actually believes that it is the "serious ones" responsibility to what? Figure out spirituality through mushrooms... "use" them as thy are meant to be "used"? This idea alone is recognizable as quite a folly in itself let alone all the other foolishness you bring up with such an idea. The best spiritual advice I believe most of us can hear- "lighten up" how does that sound family man.
And to finish this excerpt off, the statement made to hippiechick regarding California waves And such, yeah just a trifle condescending, moreso considering the preceding lines of complete bs.

And here instead of repeating myself upon the idea you have of culture, I'll jus give you a few questions/..
Do you realize there is quite a difference between society and culture
Do you even know about your true heritage/culture?
Do you even think for a second that today's society(anywhere except tribal communities) even remotely resembles what culture from which it was sprung?
I'll make it easier the question to that last one is hardly.
So when you say all this about laws and abiding them bc of your respect for your "culture" yadda yadda you are effectively making a fool of yourself. And icelander answered that in the first response to this thread... I'm going to go ahead and assume he's older and more experienced than you in quite a few areas which we are presently discussing. Maybe that means you should appreciate his comment slightly more.
While I have no family as of yet, I feel I can elaborate just as much as the stay a home dad on this subject. Would I allow my use(whatever I may be using it doesn't matter) to cause harm to my family? No never, it would be either concealed correctly by me or openly accepted by my family. Either way it would be to not cause any detriment whatsoever to them specifically, depending on my given relationships with them. And as for the "law" :
1. It shouldn't be any issue if you aren't a moron(don't sound to be) as far as growing/procuring/taking any magic mushroom
2. If you are seriously that worried about law enforcement that you would forego the "spiritual" experiences you are speaking of... Well then maybe you should either do some priority checking within yourself as to what is important. Your spirituality vs. the ever looming Long arm of the law.
Or alternatively, you would do well to smoke some grass and not be so paranoid.
All that is asked of you as a man with a family is to act in a way which respects that family. That doesn't mean you can't have a few beers sometimes, or even take of the sacred ayahuasca l really get to that spiritual side.


As for having kids and doings drugs, I think it is foolish, and yeah your humble opinion sucks.
Yes, being a heroin addict and having/caring for children  clearly not cool.
Smoking herb at evening times and occasionally partaking in even narcotic drugs, no problem, so long as you can keep it from adversely effecting

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