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#16413079 - 06/21/12 09:52 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/364865/
18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose
EAST GRAND FORKS, Minn. – What began as a drug-filled night for five teenage friends here has now led to a murder charge for one and the death of another from what appears to be an overdose.
On Wednesday, Polk County prosecutors charged Adam Taft Budge, an 18-year-old from East Grand Forks, with murder in the third degree, second-degree manslaughter, selling a controlled substance to a juvenile and selling a controlled substance.
Taft said he had meant to buy some marijuana when he went to visit his dealer a couple of weeks ago, but he ended up paying $100 for a white powder he thought was an extract of hallucinogenic mushrooms, according to the court complaint filed Wednesday.
Police say it was that white powder that killed his friend Elijah Stai, a 17-year-old from Park Rapids, Minn., six days ago.
Witnesses told police Stai was “shaking, growling, foaming at the mouth” and he “started to smash his head against the ground,” acting as if “possessed.”
Budge declared that it was just a “bad trip,” and he had seen it before. In fact, he had overdosed in April and had to be taken to Altru Hospital, the complaint said.
Stai ultimately passed out, never to wake again. He was taken off life support at 9:05 p.m. Friday at the same hospital.
If Budge is convicted of murder, the most serious charge, he could face up to 25 years in prison and a $40,000 fine.
The tragic series of events started the night of June 12, just before 10 p.m.
Budge, Stai and his foster brother Justin Rippentrop were at Budge’s home, mixing the white powder with melted chocolate, according to the complaint. Later, they would eat the drug-laced candy before going out to pick up two girls police identified as “C.K.” and “J.E.S.” because they are minors. J.E.S. was identified as Budge’s girlfriend.
Budge’s father, Richard Taft Budge II, was at home at the time. After the three teens left, his son called and asked him to let J.E.S.’s mother, Peggy Stai, know that he would be home and that the five could hang out there. The elder Budge did so.
In the meantime, the complaint said, the teens had gone to McDonald’s, where Stai said he didn’t feel good. By the time they got their food and got home at around 11 p.m., Stai was “freaking out.”
This was when he began acting as if possessed. His breathing and heart rate were “extremely fast.” The boys eventually took him to a bed. Budge placed a wet towel to cool him down.
Richard Budge told police that, upon returning, his son and Rippentrop told him that Stai was on a “bad trip” and that he just needed a place to “come down.”
After checking on Stai several times, he sent Peggy Stai a text message telling her that Stai was very tense and hyperventilating at times but then calmed down. He mentioned C.K. may have ingested the drug as well. Rippentrop later said the girls didn’t consume the drug.
Around 11:45 p.m., Peggy Stai replied to the text message, saying she was coming to pick up the two girls. Richard Budge checked on Elijah Stai again and found him in a catatonic state. Using his iPad, Budge looked up information about mushroom overdoses. He figured it was not fatal but wanted to take Stai to the hospital.
Adam Budge said he was only having a “bad trip” and would sleep it off, so the two left the room; he would check in on Stai occasionally. Richard Budge then went to bed.
By around 1:30 a.m., Adam Budge realized Stai was no longer breathing. Soon Richard Budge had called 911 and, along with his son, peformed CPR on Stai while Rippentrop waited in the driveway.
Police recovered a small baggie containing chocolate from Stai’s pocket and Adam Budge gave police an empty baggie labeled “25iNBOMe,” which were sent to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. Forensic scientist Amy Granlund identified that the psychedelic substance was indeed “25i-NBMOe,” otherwise known as 2C-I.
In the bedroom where Stai was, police found a marijuana one-hitter, an empty bottle of malt liqor, an empty bottle of rum and two prescription pill bottles with J.E.S.’s name on them.
Prosecutors charged Budge with third-degree murder because he caused Stai’s death, though he did not intend to, by giving him a drug, according to the complaint.
He is charged with second-degree manslaughter because “he created an unreasonable risk and consciously took the chance of causing death or great bodily harm to another,” the complaint said. The maximum penalty is 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine.
The charge of selling a controlled substance to a juvenile carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The charge of selling a controlled substance carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison and a $100,000 fine
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16413111 - 06/21/12 10:04 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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otherwise known as 2c-i? what fucking idiots.
why don't we charge every liquor store and convenience store with murder everytime some moron kills themselves wih alcohol? sounds like the kid may have been misrepresenting the drug though
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16413127 - 06/21/12 10:09 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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whats with the bit about the selling a controlled substance? at best its an analogue to 2C-I (is 2ci controlled in the states now?)
also, would be nice to know the quantities. a $100 bag of the stuff that was empty in the end couldve been anything from 10-1000mg of powder in a variety of forms.
also, they ATE it? I thought it wasnt orally active, particularly in powder form which inicates either HCL salt or freebase.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: klondike_bar]
#16413135 - 06/21/12 10:11 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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thats unfortunate for everyone involved. its a shame, if they had actuallly got powdered mushrooms like they thought that kid would be fine right now. 
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16413165 - 06/21/12 10:22 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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 don't get how they all got the chem into their bloodstream though because 25i isn't orally active and they mixed it with chocolate. I suppose they could let the chocolate sit in their mouths for 30 mins. That and if it was synthetic mushrooms they would have all just ate the powder i'm pretty sure. Maybe just talking out of their asses ha.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16413181 - 06/21/12 10:28 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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JacksonMetaller said:
why don't we charge every liquor store and convenience store with murder
Bartenders can be charged for letting people drive drunk.
And drug dealers who kill somebody with their product have been charged with murder for years.
It might not be fair but it's the way things are.
Dunno what's going on in the underlying story though.
Maybe it was 2c-I that they had? Or zombie powder?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Doc_T]
#16413204 - 06/21/12 10:37 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
And drug dealers who kill somebody with their product have been charged with murder for years.
It might not be fair but it's the way things are.
i know this, but plenty of people OD on alcohol but the only ones they blame are the morons themselves. but when it comes to drugs, the victim is never to blame  anyways, idk if this batch was misrepresented as psilcybin extract... but nobody should be selling noobs 25i in powdered form. for those saying it's not orally active, im sure if you took 100 dollars worth some would slip under your tongue or something of the sort. or it would become active at that point. idk
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Doc_T]
#16413232 - 06/21/12 10:47 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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oops forgot what i was going to say LOL
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lucid Dreaming]
#16413306 - 06/21/12 11:14 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Oh, I have no idea what it was or what possible reactions might be.
There was mention of 'synthetic mushrooms'. Could have been utter BS, none of us knows.
Could be zombie powder. I dunno.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Doc_T]
#16413453 - 06/21/12 11:41 AM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Off topic
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Doc_T]
#16413538 - 06/21/12 12:02 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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I was just about to say that Uber. I would have given you a rating for being on the ball but I'm not old enough yet 
The article clearly says that a forensic scientist identified the substance as 25i-NBMOe
READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE BEFORE POSTING!!!
Especially considering these threads will eventually become archives for future 18 year old kids to look up on their iPad when they think they're friend is just having a bad trip on psilocybin or psilocin extract.
Please do not let speculative information be confused for fact.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: uber_aj]
#16413539 - 06/21/12 12:02 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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People can be allergic to anything right? maybe this kid was the 1 in a million that happened to be allergic to 25i?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#16413547 - 06/21/12 12:04 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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People can be allergic to anything right?
Not really, it's usually just proteins that trigger allergies, and usually after repeated exposure.
Not saying it's impossible though.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#16413568 - 06/21/12 12:10 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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People can be allergic to anything right? maybe this kid was the 1 in a million that happened to be allergic to 25i?
This is not the only report going around about bad things happening to those who ingest 251. I am waiting for a toxicology report to be posted on another open case right now that may be regarding this drug. I have seen in articles say that the 25i compounds are also called 2c-i, so this leads me to believe that even another case where someone od on 2c-e was actually 25i. This is of course speculation until the tests come back.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16413604 - 06/21/12 12:19 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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otherwise known as 2c-i? what fucking idiots.
why don't we charge every liquor store and convenience store with murder everytime some moron kills themselves wih alcohol? sounds like the kid may have been misrepresenting the drug though
the ppl at the liquor store are selling legal, regulated alcohol, not a research chem...
thats like charging mcdonalds with murder because some guy ate to many big macs and had a heart attack....
take responsibility for your own actions, if you dont know wtf kind of drug it is, dont put it in your body...
simple...
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: wortiesbo] 1
#16413869 - 06/21/12 01:19 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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VERY interesting...
so nbome does NOT carry the same safety profile as LSD, in this case...
which is scary. Think of all the nbome being passed as LSD, anda ll of the people that sometimes take heroic doses of LSD (15+ hits).
Fuck the scene right now.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Doc_T]
#16413873 - 06/21/12 01:20 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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People can be allergic to anything right?
Not really, it's usually just proteins that trigger allergies, and usually after repeated exposure.
Not saying it's impossible though.
Wrong, drugs are well known for inducing allergy and severe autoimmune reactions. Its not impossible for the 25i to expose some 5HT2A polymorphic epitope and trigger autoimmune serotonin syndrome. I suspect 25i gets converted into 2ci once ingested.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16413987 - 06/21/12 01:50 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Sounds like he had a seizure. People need to stop taking and selling all RC's, period. Stupid ass kids
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: MaxFresh]
#16414389 - 06/21/12 03:00 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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there is nothing dumber than an american teenager! They tend to overdose on anything.They dont do reaseach,are impatient,and impulsive.Because of things like this.25i and others stuff are going to be banned ASAP.25i is not a subsitute for LSD and so easy to OD. I think this kid took waaaay to much and had seizure and later profound CNS depression and died.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Cyrusthegreat]
#16414417 - 06/21/12 03:07 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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The real criminal here is the scumbag that sold the 25i-nBOMe as "mushroom extract", while knowing that it actually was an RC.
The other real criminals that should be charged for murder are the politicians that refuse to regulate and control the drug market, while knowing that prohibition causes deaths to many innocent people. Yet I guarantee you that they will never see a cell from the inside.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: MaxFresh]
#16414446 - 06/21/12 03:14 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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100$ can get you a LOT of 25i and it seems like they mixed it all up with chocolate and ate it, just like people do with shrooms
this is a very sad story and i could never facepalm myself enough over the charges they are putting on this kid when the death is clearly the dealer's fault for selling 25i as shrooms extract.
prohibition at it's finest.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Synth Ethics]
#16414750 - 06/21/12 04:01 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah assuming a hit costs less than one dollar that would be a lot of doses.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
#16414791 - 06/21/12 04:06 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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In case anyone missed this quite possibly very important line:
"In the bedroom where Stai was, police found a marijuana one-hitter, an empty bottle of malt liqor, an empty bottle of rum and two prescription pill bottles with J.E.S.’s name on them."
..it is very possible that this person did not die from 25I-NBOMe, but rather a combination of alcohol and prescription drugs. The 25I-MBOMe and the pot may have played a minor role there, but I'm putting my money on a combination of alcohol and pills is what killed this young man, not the psychedelic.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Synth Ethics]
#16414821 - 06/21/12 04:11 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah guys watch out. Chocolates, powders, and pills are becoming incredibly dangerous. RCs have completely overtaken the market.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16414966 - 06/21/12 04:32 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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25i is orally active in the milligram range. It's just an enormous waste to take it in that range when you could be taking it in the microgram range. If someone took 30+mg, I would not be surprised if they died. However, there was alcohol and other drugs involved. It's a tragedy regardless. It's also really stupid that the bag was labelled 25iNBOMe, yet these kids completely ignored that.
The only good thing that came out of this is that the police think it's 2CI...
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: supernovasky]
#16414971 - 06/21/12 04:32 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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This is a tragedy, but I hope it's also a lesson to any who may be selling RC's on the street, especially passing it off as another drug, like shroom chocolates.
Want to face fucking murder charges?
Not too smart.
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The real criminal here is the scumbag that sold the 25i-nBOMe as "mushroom extract", while knowing that it actually was an RC.
The other real criminals that should be charged for murder are the politicians that refuse to regulate and control the drug market, while knowing that prohibition causes deaths to many innocent people. Yet I guarantee you that they will never see a cell from the inside.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Magick]
#16415050 - 06/21/12 04:44 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Magick said:
In case anyone missed this quite possibly very important line:
"In the bedroom where Stai was, police found a marijuana one-hitter, an empty bottle of malt liqor, an empty bottle of rum and two prescription pill bottles with J.E.S.’s name on them."
..it is very possible that this person did not die from 25I-NBOMe, but rather a combination of alcohol and prescription drugs. The 25I-MBOMe and the pot may have played a minor role there, but I'm putting my money on a combination of alcohol and pills is what killed this young man, not the psychedelic.
Yeah, I have heard reports of people taking very large doses of 25i but never like this. I am willing to bet it was due to some combination but we'll probably never know.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: The_Aviator]
#16415552 - 06/21/12 05:48 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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why dont they just make these fucking drugs illegal already? Thats obviously what they are trying to do
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: danlennon3]
#16415592 - 06/21/12 05:55 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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This chem war isn't going to end until either chemistry as a whole is made illegal or all drugs are made legal. Either way I feel like BIG change is coming.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Jvells]
#16415695 - 06/21/12 06:13 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Lets not bash 25i too much here folks. If you actually take a safe dose in mcg's on blotter you can have a safe and fun time.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Sally D]
#16415782 - 06/21/12 06:29 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Lets not bash 25i too much here folks. If you actually take a safe dose in mcg's on blotter you can have a safe and fun time.
This.
I personally believe it's doing more good than bad being on the streets. IMO
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Sally D]
#16415812 - 06/21/12 06:36 PM (10 months, 23 days ago) |
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Forensic scientist Amy Granlund identified that the psychedelic substance was indeed “25i-NBMOe,” otherwise known as 2C-I.
WRONG. First off, it's NBOMe, secondly, 25I = 2C-I-NBOMe, not 2C-I. Jesus these reporters must be pretty spaced out not to realize this.
It's interesting that it's the same story we would have expected. Some idiot who thinks 25I-NBOMe is magic mushroom extract eats a ton of it and dies. And the kid selling it is 18, so he gets charged with selling it "to a minor." Boo-fucking-hoo. And murder on top of that.
It's funny because that synthetic drug ban is moving along now. But the NBOMes aren't included. Go figure.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: 5-HT2A]
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I wouldnt be too suprised if that reaction was from the 25i alone and not a mixture of alcohol and pills. I have had a few good times on 25i but it has the potential to do very ugly things, IMO its not even worth it. One of my friends took just 2 blotters of 25i and became what I would call "possessed". He went into a violent screaming rage flailing his arms trying to punch me and rip my hair out. Then he would become incapacitated, writhing on the ground in agony crying and vomiting at the same time. He kept going from being extremely aggressive to not even able to control his body on the floor. That went on for 7 hours. He was overheating and steam was literally rising from his body. FUCK 25i
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: 5-HT2A]
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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I have found 25i to be a very worthwhile chem for responsible use.
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
I have witnessed people act like that on mushrooms and lsd. All psychedelic drugs can be dangerous.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: The_Aviator]
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LSD has been so weak for so long that people forgot what it has the potential to do
25i is definitely more dangerous though
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
Insufflation is 100% active, no complexing needed. 2mg insufflated is 4x a good psychedelic dose. That would be like taking 80mg of 2C-I instead of 20mg.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
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This is why it is far, FAR safer to grow or extract your own party favors.
Mis-communication, and/or mis-identification of the RC resulting in massive overdose killed that poor young man. The same mistake is now threatening to incarcerate another young man for the balance of his life.
Double tragedy. 
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: nooneman]
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
Insufflation is 100% active, no complexing needed. 2mg insufflated is 4x a good psychedelic dose. That would be like taking 80mg of 2C-I instead of 20mg.
I've done it, its not worth it imo. The negative effects outweigh the desired effects.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
Dude take some fucking responsibility, 2mg railed is going to be WAY strong. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?!
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: urbanwolf]
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All the "stupid ass kids" and "nothing is dumber than the American teenager" talk is a little harsh, IMO. Yes, kids/teenagers aren't the brightest bulbs out there. I'm not in disagreement. But weren't most of us there at some point? I don't know, maybe some of you we're absolutely brilliant and years of maturity beyond your time, but I wasn't one of you.
I too was a dumb fuck tard kid of biblical proportions. Looking back I cringe at some of the things that I did, and in retrospect am glad to be alive today. But man...this is a frightening story. The kid was expecting a good night of tripping and ended up dead before he could even buy his first beer.
Sometimes you're just young and extremely naive and are willing to believe what anyone tells you. It's a shame that he didn't at least get a chance to "grow up". I got lucky and was given that chance, but man, this could have been me 10 years ago.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Niffla]
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It wouldn't surprise me if this substance gets an emergency scheduling this summer.
I've read a lot of the reports and it seems a fair number of people are having issues with it. One guy on bluelight took a large dose and had such bad seizures that he broke his arms and had serious Rhabdomyolysis (had such bad seizures that his muscles shredded and entered his blood stream).
this stuff probably isn't like lsd where you can eat a sheet and have no physical problems. seems it gives seizures more frequently than other psychedelics.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: morrowasted]
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LSD has been so weak for so long that people forgot what it has the potential to do
25i is definitely more dangerous though
Care to elaborate on the lsd comment. Do yo umean there are drugs out there that are stronger? or that its hard to find a well made pure blot? I have never taken it before but would like to. How do i know i'm getting the real stuff then?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: deelo89]
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LSD has been so weak for so long that people forgot what it has the potential to do
25i is definitely more dangerous though
Care to elaborate on the lsd comment. Do yo umean there are drugs out there that are stronger? or that its hard to find a well made pure blot? I have never taken it before but would like to. How do i know i'm getting the real stuff then?
He means finding enough real L in one hit today vs back then is a joke, and many people are just jotting it off as a good experience when if that one hit was 200ug each people would be experiencing the other side it has to offer (ego dissolution, etc.).
It's sually $10 a hit, and taste like nothing. You should  try it if you know your source is legit. You will KNOW when you have it, that's for sure. I've tried so many different psyches and have tripped 100+ times, nothing has still come close to my L experiences.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: supernovasky]
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VERY interesting...
so nbome does NOT carry the same safety profile as LSD, in this case...
which is scary. Think of all the nbome being passed as LSD, anda ll of the people that sometimes take heroic doses of LSD (15+ hits).
Fuck the scene right now.
This is what I've been saying but of course it carries more health risks, its a phenethylamine not a tryptamine. Phens have stronger stimulative properties that can be dangerous but yea ive told my friends about this shit and they're still eating their "L". I'll stick to mush thank you.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Jvells]
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wow this is sad because this guy was doing what we in the psych community consider the smart thing to do in that situation which is to let them come down and ride the bad trip out and not go to the hospital..but the kid actually ended up dieing! damn...murder charge so fucked up for this
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Led Zeppelin]
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25i in powder form in the hands of the inexperienced is (as proven here) potentially lethal. This is why it needs to be laid on blotter BEFORE distribution.
This kid is NOT the first to suffer this fate. Properly administered with the correct ROI (sublingual) at the right dose (1/2 - 1.25mg) 25i is a very enjoyable experience.
It has been said a thousand times: The ONLY difference between a drug and a poison is the dose!
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Nature Boy]
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25i in powder form in the hands of the inexperienced is (as proven here) potentially lethal. This is why it needs to be laid on blotter BEFORE distribution.
This kid is NOT the first to suffer this fate. Properly administered with the correct ROI (sublingual) at the right dose (1/2 - 1.25mg) 25i is a very enjoyable experience.
It has been said a thousand times: The ONLY difference between a drug and a poison is the dose!
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True. But some drugs become poisons at much lower relative doses than others.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: supernovasky]
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Irresponsible dealers, Kids with no proper mg scales, and a steep response curve in dose and negative effects is really a bad mix. This shit is obviously too fucking dangerous for the majority of idiots in the drug scene to handle. We will see it banned/scheduled within the next two years in the US most likely. Unfortunately that wont do a thing to stop this garbage from tainting the LSD circuit. Another adulterant for wooks to sell and eat on paper...just what we needed right?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: ShroomDoom]
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wow this is sad because this guy was doing what we in the psych community consider the smart thing to do in that situation which is to let them come down and ride the bad trip out and not go to the hospital..but the kid actually ended up dieing! damn...murder charge so fucked up for this
That's why good Samaritan laws and charge free drug checking venues are so important. But yes, not calling an ambulance was a terrible mistake. 
Unless drugs become legal or someone decides to flood the market with high quality low priced LSD, these psychedelic RC incidents will continue.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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...or someone decides to flood the market with high quality low priced LSD, these psychedelic RC incidents will continue.
And we all know this ain't gonna happen. Lets face it, 25i is going down likely it will be scheduled by the end of this year. No one is going to flood the market with LSD. So both 25i and acid will be illegal but since 25i is much easier to produce it will be illegal and sold as acid.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
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My problem with the bar tender analogy, is that you're talking about serving a drunk, who has no more judgment left.
According to the story, the substance is correctly labeled and given to someone with a still-functioning intellect.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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But yes, not calling an ambulance was a terrible mistake.
Maybe...maybe not. Not everyone is salvageable even with an immediate recognition of the true nature of the problem - which would NOT have happened here since the substance ingested was mis-identified by the victim. The same poor quality information would have been supplied by any available historian or witness to the event to come to the ER, so its a shot in the dark.
Not all treatment and/or supportive care has a positive outcome. Sadly, I have personally presided over many a poor outcome in an ER setting - both young and old - so I speak from experience.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Nature Boy]
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Yeah, they might have given him benzos or antipsychotic drugs, which could have trigged dangerous pharmacological interactions (who knows?). However, I'm pretty sure that they would have managed to keep him alive.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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Yeah, they might have given him benzos or antipsychotic drugs, which could have trigged dangerous pharmacological interactions (who knows?). However, I'm pretty sure that they would have managed to keep him alive.
They would of definitely prescribe a benzo, and in this case it might of been all he needed to live.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lucid Dreaming]
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I disagree. Without knowing the precise chemical ingested the treatment would have been (read SHOULD have been) purely supportive. IV, IV fluid, vital sign measurements q 15 minutes, continuous blood pressure monitoring, and a MAYBE a vasodilator for starters. Medicating/sedating this patient would be dangerous and could precipitate further unforeseeable crisis. A better plan is to simply restrain the individual if they are thrashing around. Better have an anesthesiologist sitting around in case you need to intubate the kid, too.
In this case of a massive overdose of what we NOW KNOW was 25i-NBOME, the emergency personnel would have been faced with a patient with severe, persistent vasoconstriction and hypertensive crisis. The administration of a benzodiazepine would not help that one bit. Actually...I take that back. It would have helped the ER doc, who would have felt he was doing something. Wouldn't have helped the patient one bit, though.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Nature Boy]
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Nature Boy]
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At the right dose I'm sure its very enjoyable but another problem is people passing it off as L since its active in such a low dose and can be laid on blotter. Selling it as something completely different for profit is getting people hurt as well.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Mr. Anderson]
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This is the first time a news post has actually been near me.
This is a big deal everywhere. Nothing to do out here but drink and talk about other peoples' lives.
The only drug market that is stable is responsible adults who know how to keep their mouths shut and keep everything in their homes and their mouths silent. That's the only aspect that ppl are good about being hush-hush about.
The only 'psychedelic experience' I can imagine would be ordering RCs and passing those around. As much as everyone says "acid's everywhere", find me the guy who gives enough of a shit to get a few pieces of paper from the cities to pass off to kids 3.5 hours away.
Short of that, this is Bible country. Being a young drug user out here is sketch as shit, and I can see angst turning into "going all the way" with whatever they get their hands on.
I just wish the youth of this generation would do what we did: know your mind, know your body, know your source.
Picking up a random white powder from a dealer and taking it all? Really? When was the last time you picked something up - that you had NO idea about - and banged/ate/smoked all of it?
I'm so sick of these stories and now that's it's close (in boonie terms) it just saddens me.
The worst of it all is that so-and-so's uncle runs the such-and-such, who knows person2, who's a pastor at X, and on and on. This is taking people down left and right. My wife's boss went to school with the kid's father.
All young deaths suck, but this is going to affect more people than say, Minneapolis.
Take care of yourselves, guys. Be safe.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Dystopia]
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Knowing your source has become a LOT harder with the current rc market.
I remember when dox was all you pretty much had to worry about being placed on blotter.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: supernovasky]
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Freedom]
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It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing. In some countries in Europe (Switzerland, Netherlands) you can hand in your drugs to a venue and let them get tested for purity and additives anonymously and free of charge.
This could save lots of lives in the US.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
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this is Elijah Stai. the one who died. for anyone wondering.
this is the killer.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: cops]
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Test kits don't react well with blotter though.
The paper, the ink, anything can react with the marquis and mandelin.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: supernovasky]
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is it bad that my sympathy diminished somewhat upon seeing Elijah's pictures?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: morrowasted]
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is it bad that my sympathy diminished somewhat upon seeing Elijah's pictures?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: morrowasted] 2
#16423660 - 06/23/12 02:46 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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is it bad that my sympathy diminished somewhat upon seeing Elijah's pictures?
Yes.
Someone died.
Have some fucking respect.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Dystopia] 1
#16424405 - 06/23/12 07:51 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Someone died.
Have some fucking respect.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#16429864 - 06/24/12 11:25 AM (10 months, 20 days ago) |
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Adam Budge gave police an empty baggie labeled “25iNBOMe,” which were sent to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. Forensic scientist Amy Granlund identified that the psychedelic substance was indeed “25i-NBMOe,” otherwise known as 2C-I.
You guys keep talking about trusting your dealer.
 They looked like cocky weasels.
But, that's not false advertising.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: urbanwolf]
#16432669 - 06/24/12 09:53 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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25i-Nbome WILL have this kind of reaction upon overdose. I've seen it happen and a 120lb woman had to be restrained from hurting herself because she wasn't in this reality, she was rolling around flailing her head not responding to external reality but fully engaged in internal reality. She was speaking to things that weren't there. 25i CAN BE DANGEROUS. This instance occured after insufflation of 2mg non-complexed 25i-Nbome.
Dude take some fucking responsibility, 2mg railed is going to be WAY strong. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?!
The vendor it was purchased from had it concentrated into 1mg per drop. The people doing it had done the same a few nights prior, and 25x is known for inducing tolerance to psyches for a week or two. Without adding HPBCD to 25x, insufflation of the liquid drop is the only way for it to be active; as prior attempts at sub-buccal administration proved ineffective. Therefor, it's not unreasonable to presume 2mg would be within normal range for a strong trip. And yea, the responsible psychonaut poured the liquid out that night.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#16433611 - 06/25/12 01:01 AM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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Dystopia said:
Someone died.
Have some fucking respect.
 Either not 18, or have serious issues. Honestly, have some fucking respect please...
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: Jvells]
#16435339 - 06/25/12 01:14 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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This is apparently a related article...Seems the one charged with murder broke into someone else's house and stole the 25i?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16435535 - 06/25/12 02:04 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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"In the meantime, the complaint said, the teens had gone to McDonald’s, where Stai said he didn’t feel good. By the time they got their food and got home at around 11 p.m., Stai was “freaking out.”
Sounds to me like Mcdonalds could be a culprit. WHY do people still eat that shit? I rename em Mcshitty. ...
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: lasdR]
#16435803 - 06/25/12 03:06 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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So, if we're to take the stories at face value,
- The mysterious substance is correctly labeled.
- They steal it from someone else.
- They OD, and go to McD's.
I am not typically a morbid person but hope to God I go with more dignity than that.
I'm not big on RC's, but consider this abuse of a sacrament, due to the mental states involved.
Also, if all these accounts really come from only one case, why do we have to read a half dozen stories to get to the bottom of the matter. No offense to the people, who posted it. It was interesting to read. But, it would be more credible of news agencies to have all the facts before reporting.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: durian_2008]
#16436411 - 06/25/12 06:02 PM (10 months, 19 days ago) |
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25i is actually relatively safe taken BUCALLY. Do not insuffulate it. It's not safe to insuffulate any substance active in the microgram range. If you took 2 mg of LSD, you'd be having a pretty shitty time too (though you would not die, the LD50 is 10,000 ug = 10 mg if I recall correctly).
Respect the chemical. It's actually really good stuff.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: aperson444]
#16438387 - 06/26/12 12:45 AM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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I've never thought of that before, but it makes perfect sense.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: durian_2008]
#16439993 - 06/26/12 12:42 PM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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how about that kid is smiling in his mugshot and hes booked for homicide lol. now that is funny. that kid shouldnt be sniffing shit he dosnet know anything about. its sad that they dont educate them selves.
how hard is it to sit down and read about the drug your about to do. i used to love to do that. ide read up on it for days everything i could find. does erowid exist in your bookmarks? it should if you haven't already read it in its entirety
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: shopdropper]
#16440018 - 06/26/12 12:48 PM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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Most of the people who do drugs are not considered particularly careful nor educated. They just wanna get fucked up breh.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
#16440037 - 06/26/12 12:53 PM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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thats just stupid. and is no excuse. if you cant take a few mins and read about something like that, then you deserve what you get.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: shopdropper]
#16440049 - 06/26/12 12:57 PM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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that kid is goin up state even if he gets it dropped to involuntary manslaughter haha. thats not right hes gonna get fucked with, hard.
PC is his best bet. of get a fucked up haircut and act retarded.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: shopdropper]
#16440060 - 06/26/12 01:00 PM (10 months, 18 days ago) |
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thats just stupid
You get it now, many drug users are plain stupid and ruin it for the rest of us. Thats the way she goes bud, the fucking way she goes 
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: dwpineal]
#16664935 - 08/08/12 10:10 AM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/370162/group/News/
Grand Forks man appears on drug charges in Fargo
FARGO – Andrew Spofford, the Grand Forks man said by law enforcement officials to be the chief cook of synthetic drugs blamed in the death of two teenagers, appeared in U.S. court here Tuesday to face a federal drug charge for the first time.
The federal complaint contains little information, but does introduce the allegation that Spofford, 22, conspired “to possess with intent to distribute and distribute controlled substances,” in Richland County in southeast North Dakota as well as in Grand Forks County in the first six months of this year.
He was earlier charged with manufacturing and distributing drugs in state district court in Grand Forks, but those charges were dropped Monday because of the more serious federal charges. A federal drug conspiracy felony carries a maximum penalty of life in prison and a minimum of a year in prison. The state charge had a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.
Spofford told the judge he has no money, no job, no assets and asked for a court-appointed attorney. Magistrate Judge Charles Miller, hearing the case via video from Bismarck, appointed Chris Lancaster to represent Spofford.
Chris Myers, the assistant U.S. attorney prosecuting Spofford, said the investigation is ongoing so he can say little about it, including whether others are likely to be charged. Nor could he say anything about the Richland County connection.
Miller set Spofford’s detention, or bond, hearing and his preliminary hearing for either Monday or Tuesday next week in Fargo.
Spofford, who has been held under $300,000 bond in Grand Forks County jail since June 14, apparently will be held in Fargo, where he grew up and where his parents still live.
After the hearing, his father came to the court house to pick up some of his belongings, handed over by a court employee in a black plastic garbage bag.
In the court room Tuesday was Keith Bjerk of Grand Forks, the father of Christian Bjerk, one of the two teenagers who died of an apparent overdose.
He said he didn’t want to comment yet on the case, but said he had never met Spofford.
Christian Bjerk was 18 when he was found dead early on June 11 along a city street after ingesting a hallucinogen that investigators say originated with Spofford.
According to investigators, Spofford admitted making drugs by mixing chemicals ordered through the mail and selling it to an informant.
Some of those drugs were allegedly acquired by Adam Budge, 19, who sold it to Wesley Sweeney, 18, Manvel, N.D. Sweeney is now in jail for allegedly providing the drugs to Bjerk and another teen, who later went to the hospital.
Budge also allegedly provided drugs to Elijah Stai, 17, who died June 15 in the hospital. Investigators said Spofford told them he knew Budge and suspected Budge broke into his home and stole the drugs. Budge is in jail in Crookston facing murder charges. His defense attorney has said his case, too, may go federal.
Because of the felony nature of the charge, a grand jury still must meet to hear the probable cause argument before Spofford could be indicted.
Under U.S. drug laws, federal prosecutors have “original jurisdiction” in any felony drug case, whether or not the alleged crime involved crossing state lines.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: shopdropper]
#16665481 - 08/08/12 12:36 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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thats just stupid. and is no excuse. if you cant take a few mins and read about something like that, then you deserve what you get.
I don't think it's this black and white. There is a lot of misrepresentation going on. Buying LSD has now become almost as much a minefield as buying a pressed "ecstasy" pill, thanks to drugs and people like this.
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that kid is goin up state even if he gets it dropped to involuntary manslaughter haha. thats not right hes gonna get fucked with, hard.
Maybe not. But if he sold even one of those hits as LSD, he deserves every hour he sits in jail, IMHO. No love for drug counterfeiters. Drug users have enough problems as it is.
Also sounds like this guy must have been laying his own blotter, and possibly doing a shitty job, to boot, if he was sending kids to the hospital. This is not LSD. Stop thinking you can treat it as such.
Unless you like death or prison.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: CidneyIndole]
#16665607 - 08/08/12 12:58 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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VERY interesting...
so nbome does NOT carry the same safety profile as LSD, in this case...
which is scary. Think of all the nbome being passed as LSD, anda ll of the people that sometimes take heroic doses of LSD (15 hits).
Fuck the scene right now.
I had a 25i tab passed off to me as LSD on the weekend. Caught me very off guard. Went to a rave with the intention of mildy tripping. Instead I had an anxious come up on a bitter tasting, tongue numbing RC. Ended up leaving after 1 hour to get away from it all, only to get lost in the city for 3 hours.
I should have seen this coming when the guy I got them off said the tabs were "wax coated to help preservation". What happened to honesty?
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mrckb]
#16665677 - 08/08/12 01:09 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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What a fucking douche 
I sold my mate a few 800mic tabs and he said he's gonna take 3-4 next time and I was FUCK NO DUDE DONT DO THAT OR YOU`LL END UP DEAD.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
#16666337 - 08/08/12 04:59 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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mazaloto said:
What a fucking douche
I sold my mate a few 800mic tabs and he said he's gonna take 3-4 next time and I was FUCK NO DUDE DONT DO THAT OR YOU`LL END UP DEAD.
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mazaloto said:
What a fucking douche
I sold my mate a few 800mic tabs and he said he's gonna take 3-4 next time and I was FUCK NO DUDE DONT DO THAT OR YOU`LL END UP DEAD.
Are you saying you sold a mate some tabs with NBOMe on them? First, not the smartest thing admitting on the net.
Second, I hope they had "NBOMe" printed on the tabs. Even if you think you're honest, what makes you think your friend is honest. What if they gave it to a friend. Is THAT friend honest? You want even ONE life on your hands?
Whatever drugs you and your friends choose to ingest is your business.
But please don't do anything that might put another member of the community at risk of ingesting a misrepresented drug.
That's not cool.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: CidneyIndole]
#16666387 - 08/08/12 05:07 PM (9 months, 6 days ago) |
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if he sold even one of those hits as LSD, he deserves every hour he sits in jail
Legally I don't think it matters much if he called it LSD or said it was an RC.
If you give somebody drugs and they die, expect to be prosecuted for manslaughter or worse.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: CidneyIndole]
#16675009 - 08/10/12 06:16 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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mazaloto said:
What a fucking douche
I sold my mate a few 800mic tabs and he said he's gonna take 3-4 next time and I was FUCK NO DUDE DONT DO THAT OR YOU`LL END UP DEAD.
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mazaloto said:
What a fucking douche
I sold my mate a few 800mic tabs and he said he's gonna take 3-4 next time and I was FUCK NO DUDE DONT DO THAT OR YOU`LL END UP DEAD.
Are you saying you sold a mate some tabs with NBOMe on them? First, not the smartest thing admitting on the net.
Second, I hope they had "NBOMe" printed on the tabs. Even if you think you're honest, what makes you think your friend is honest. What if they gave it to a friend. Is THAT friend honest? You want even ONE life on your hands?
Whatever drugs you and your friends choose to ingest is your business.
But please don't do anything that might put another member of the community at risk of ingesting a misrepresented drug.
That's not cool.
By sold I mean exchanged for weed, mdma and valium. I told him its 25i and he should take only one, after he had one he said he should've taken 3-4 but I said thats not a good idea, be careful etc.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
#16675085 - 08/10/12 07:37 AM (9 months, 4 days ago) |
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There wasn't NBOMe printed on the hits because they were tiny pieces of hardcore blotting paper individually wrapped in foil. I did however write 800ug 25I-NBOMe.HCl on the baggie that came with the hits.
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Re: 18-year-old charged with murder after Park Rapids teen dies from drug overdose (25i-NBOMe) [Re: mazaloto]
#16682987 - 08/11/12 06:25 PM (9 months, 3 days ago) |
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Christian Bjerk was 18 when he was found dead early on June 11 along a city street after ingesting a hallucinogen that investigators say originated with Spofford.
That is bullshit.
The chemical did not "originate" from this 22 year old... it originates from some lab in China, or Russia, or god knows where.
This should be a case for regulation of these compounds, not a felony murder charge for a (albeit douche-baggy) 22 year old.
This does nothing for anyone (except it may make it harder for those of us who use these compounds willingly / for personal exploration, responsibly, from procuring them, legally). Bullshit.
 
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