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Enlil said:
Yep..Have you looked into:

http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

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Enlil said:
Yep..Have you looked into:

http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

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It is foolish to refer me to a .gov website and another official propaganda piece when trying to debunk serious allegations I'm making regarding that government. Do you understand this?


No thanks.

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Rail_Gun said:
The fires and temperature of airplane fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to liquify steel as documented by 9/11 firemen on the scene and as officially denied by the 9/11 commission.

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We agree with the RJ Lee report that the abundance of “spherical particles of iron and silicates” is proof of
high temperatures, and that these particles are not common in normal office dust, but we do not agree that this
abundance is necessarily due to the “fire that accompanied the WTC Event”. Before drawing such a
conclusion, one must scrutinize the temperatures and other conditions needed to form these molten spheres (iron
melts at 1,538 °C (2,800 °F) while iron (III) oxide melts at 1,565 °C (2,849 °F) [6] and aluminosilicates melt
around 1,450 C [7]) and then compare with conditions reached in the WTC fires. We will turn to this task, after
considering other data which also point to anomalously high temperatures during the WTC destruction.

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Rail_Gun said:
The fires and temperature of airplane fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to liquify steel as documented by 9/11 firemen on the scene and as officially denied by the 9/11 commission.

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No one claimed that the steel melted...The steel was weakened by the heat...If you had read the 9/11 commission report, you would know that...

It's pretty clear that you are relying on propaganda films and sites.  Loose change is full of lies and half truths...I've watched it in all of its forms and gone over it with a fine toothed comb...it's bullshit...

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Rail_Gun said:
The fires and temperature of airplane fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to liquify steel as documented by 9/11 firemen on the scene and as officially denied by the 9/11 commission.

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cacharstar said:
  Here is a video of molten metal flowing out of one of the towers just before it collapsed...

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Here is a video of a first responder recounting the presence of molten steel flowing after the collapse.  (at 11 seconds)

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Rail_Gun said:
Towers 1,2, and 7 were controlled demolitions. The evidence is conclusive. Explosions were witnessed and are documented on film but are officially denied. The towers fell in on their foundations in the manner of a controlled demolition. The rate of the towers falling were equal to free fall speeds as the debris encountered no resistance from the building's floors, invalidating the official theory that the floors "pancaked" in their collapse. Thermite and thermate residues were heavily present in the dust debris. There's other evidence as well. 9/11 was indeed a false flag operation.

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very well could have been aluminum,

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We also noted that while a steel pan holding the aluminum glowed red and then yellow
hot, when poured out the falling aluminum displayed a silvery-gray color, adding significantly to
the evidence that the yellow-white molten metal flowing out from the South Tower shortly
before its collapse was NOT molten aluminum. (Recall also that the yellow color of the molten
metal (video clip above) implies a temperature of approximately 1100oC -- too high for the darksmoke
hydrocarbon fires burning in the building.) This is a point worth emphasizing:
aluminum has low emissivity and high reflectivity, so that in daylight conditions after falling
through air 1-2 meters, molten aluminum will appear silvery-gray, while molten iron (with its
characteristic high emissivity) will appear yellow-white (at ~1100oC) as observed in the molten
metal dripping from the South Tower just before its collapse

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Color Approximate Temperature
°F °C K
Faint Red

930


500


770
Blood Red

1075


580


855
Dark Cherry

1175


635


910
Medium Cherry

1275


690


965
Cherry

1375


745


1020
Bright Cherry

1450


790


1060
Salmon

1550


845


1115
Dark Orange

1630


890


1160
Orange

1725


940


1215
Lemon

1830


1000


1270
Light Yellow

1975


1080


1355
White

2200


1205


1480

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very well could have been aluminum,

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We also noted that while a steel pan holding the aluminum glowed red and then yellow
hot, when poured out the falling aluminum displayed a silvery-gray color, adding significantly to
the evidence that the yellow-white molten metal flowing out from the South Tower shortly
before its collapse was NOT molten aluminum. (Recall also that the yellow color of the molten
metal (video clip above) implies a temperature of approximately 1100oC -- too high for the darksmoke
hydrocarbon fires burning in the building.) This is a point worth emphasizing:
aluminum has low emissivity and high reflectivity, so that in daylight conditions after falling
through air 1-2 meters, molten aluminum will appear silvery-gray, while molten iron (with its
characteristic high emissivity) will appear yellow-white (at ~1100oC) as observed in the molten
metal dripping from the South Tower just before its collapse

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firstly, load of bullshit, even the crackpot Judy wood says that stephen jones is a fraud

http://drjudywood.com/articles/aluminum/Aluminum_Glows.html


molten aluminum

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I was not there but it seems the evidence suggests it was not aluminum.

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really? 80 tons of airliner, temps as high as 1900F, and you believe it
couldnt possible have been aluminum which is around that color when it
starts cooling at around 1000F let's also not forget the plastics I
mentioned and batteries, not the AA size but all those batteries used for computer backups especially in server rooms, one rack mount UPS contains about 120lbs of lead, how many rackmount backups were there

guess what color molten lead is at some temps under 1400F




molten tin?



I mean seriosly, they know the temps were not hot enough to melt steel yet
they were hot enough to melt 80 tons of aluminum that just crashed into the
building but it couldnt possibly have been aluminum... why? because some
crackpot said there's no way, because he made the claim that aluminum is
always silvery? what ever happened to Occams Razor

oh right, that wont fit with the crackpot story of molten steel even though
not a single assay was ever done on the 'pools of molten metal' and all the
steel survived

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Rail_Gun said:
The fires and temperature of airplane fuel simply doesn't burn hot enough to liquify steel as documented by 9/11 firemen on the scene and as officially denied by the 9/11 commission.

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care to provide an assay of the molten metal found at the site?

I can guarantee you it wasnt steel. very well could have been aluminum, lead,
tin and other metals. those buildings had plenty of each, not to mention the
80 tons of aluminum air plane debris

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Wallflower said:
I must admit I would like to know how the men playing the role of terrorists in the official story learned how to fly those planes so brilliantly.

Our pilots go through a lot of training before they are allowed to fly those things for a reason. They are not a cakewalk to fly.

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Yet some men from a background with inferior technology and no professional flight training were able to not only fly them, but also to navigate them perfectly without ground assistance. They bullseye'd both towers, perfect hits.

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And an entire plane-ful of passengers were not able to take down a small group, that was armed with nothing but box cutters. That seems really weird.

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And then that one plane was going to crash into a field, and there might have been survivors. But then the government ordered our military to shoot it down, ensuring that everybody died.

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I guess the final version of the story claimed that the terrorists somehow managed to get secret training or something.

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I mean just thinking it over with basic logic, the whole thing never seemed quite right, to be honest.

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